IrishKnickFan wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:What gets me is how easily people let Dolan off the hook and buy into his propaganda machine when he lets his emotions get in the way of how the team is run. Then when the Knicks season goes down the drain like it has the past 12yrs we all suffer

what makes you say it will go down the drain this year. I mean the point guard situation is cleared up, we have depth, and we have the pieces to win

We have no pieces which pisses Jimmy off. So he may get away for a while (better get lost forewer).

tkf wrote:

misterearl wrote:Bet

tkf - if Jeremy Lin has a better season than Pablo Prigioni, The Answer Man will leave UltimateKnicks forever. The criteria is not simply stats, but who makes the greater contribution to his team.

If Jeremy Lin does not, The Answer Man expects you to do the same. Book it baby.

Bet my arse... don't change the bet... "making a better contribution" is extremely vague and will be left open to interpretation.. Your interpretation... and really that is a crazy bet, the contribution lin had on the knicks was monumental... No lin.. no playoffs....

take my bet as originally posted or don't bet at all Misterearl! 15/6

Thats a stupid bet because Lin is the only offensive option (which is terrible if you think about it) Houston has. He SHOULD average 15/6 this season.

According to you, he carried a delepted Knicks team to the Playoffs all by himself. He made Novak, Jeffries and Tyson relevant. It should be no problem doing it again in Houston.

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:I really don't get how this works with the Lin groupies...We hate Carmelo because he competes with Lin for the spotlight and lead player...We hate Felton because we want to prove no one else can play PG for the NY Knicks..We only wanted Kidd as a back-up because he is no threat to Lin no matter how badly Lin plays...Woody was not a good choice for Lin's game...But call themselves Knick fans...

im happy with what we have now in regards to felton/kidd/pablo however i think those people are still diehard knick fans they just embraced linsanity. Linsanity was probably best best thing weve seen in the garden since 2000

Papabear Says

We keep talking about linsanity in those six or seven games but what about the other players on the floor at that time. All of them were playing above thier game. It took LeBron and the Heat to bring us back down to earth. Lin was magic during that time and the news media ran with it. Now he have to prove himself for what he really is. And the buzz word in Houston is that they got suckered for 25million. Yes the Knicks new something that Houston didn't know and that was that Lin's body couldn't hold up for a half a season playing those minuets.

This is not really determined yet is it?

In my mind he has two years to play up to his third year salary. He has to figure out a lot of things on the court and as a leader of his new team. As far as holding up, the kid reminds me what Phil Ford did coming out of UNC back in the day. The kid might have been one of the best PG's in college history and took that game to the NBA. Lin is effective as a threat to penetrate and it beats down the body. Phil Ford eventually had health problems as it could not sustain it for a long time. Lin has to look at how Nash is able to mix it up. Back up and Nash kills you with the shot. Play up and he'll blow buy you. Double and trap and he finds the pick and roll. Stop him penetrating and Nash kicks it out.

YOu need tools to do that around you. Novak was great in the corner, Tyson on the pick and roll. I believe Melo could have had many easy baskets and we Know Amare can pick and roll.

But in the end we all know the contract was "ridiculous" and while most of us prefer he stayed, Knicks never made an offer and Rockets over paid to get the man they wanted.

Right now they are treating him like an investment and won't press him. He'll have time to work it thru.

For some Knick fans he is like the hot college girl we dated and had a brief but amazing time with! She meets a dude with lots of money and goes away. Over the years you hope she gets fat and is no longer hot. Bottom line is she is gone and what you do wit your life is what counts. If you end up with a great girl, all pretty and hot and your happy, it don't matter how the Ex turned out. If the KNicks succeed without Lin its irrelevant.

Felton is like the rebound chick who lost lots of weight and wants to flaunt it. He'll do for while but we know long term he is not the kind of player Lin had the potential to be. What is a long time with the knicks? Two or three seasons? Who the hell knows!

Knicks just need to take care of business themselves. If not, then the bitching will continue.

terrible analogy

I think the problem is some are having a hard time letting go of ex-players, like Lin, and dismissing what the Knicks have now. So when a poster puts down current Knick players to elevate J.Lins performance while he was here, it irks people the wrong way.

yes "Linsanity" was cool and fun but he's gone now. He moved on and I wish him luck at his new residence but he is no longer a Knick so I could care less about his contract or what he could have been as a player for this organization.

To constantly argue about that is childish and stupid. It shows me that some are not really KNICK fans and just fans of certain players.

Swishfm3 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:I really don't get how this works with the Lin groupies...We hate Carmelo because he competes with Lin for the spotlight and lead player...We hate Felton because we want to prove no one else can play PG for the NY Knicks..We only wanted Kidd as a back-up because he is no threat to Lin no matter how badly Lin plays...Woody was not a good choice for Lin's game...But call themselves Knick fans...

im happy with what we have now in regards to felton/kidd/pablo however i think those people are still diehard knick fans they just embraced linsanity. Linsanity was probably best best thing weve seen in the garden since 2000

Papabear Says

We keep talking about linsanity in those six or seven games but what about the other players on the floor at that time. All of them were playing above thier game. It took LeBron and the Heat to bring us back down to earth. Lin was magic during that time and the news media ran with it. Now he have to prove himself for what he really is. And the buzz word in Houston is that they got suckered for 25million. Yes the Knicks new something that Houston didn't know and that was that Lin's body couldn't hold up for a half a season playing those minuets.

This is not really determined yet is it?

In my mind he has two years to play up to his third year salary. He has to figure out a lot of things on the court and as a leader of his new team. As far as holding up, the kid reminds me what Phil Ford did coming out of UNC back in the day. The kid might have been one of the best PG's in college history and took that game to the NBA. Lin is effective as a threat to penetrate and it beats down the body. Phil Ford eventually had health problems as it could not sustain it for a long time. Lin has to look at how Nash is able to mix it up. Back up and Nash kills you with the shot. Play up and he'll blow buy you. Double and trap and he finds the pick and roll. Stop him penetrating and Nash kicks it out.

YOu need tools to do that around you. Novak was great in the corner, Tyson on the pick and roll. I believe Melo could have had many easy baskets and we Know Amare can pick and roll.

But in the end we all know the contract was "ridiculous" and while most of us prefer he stayed, Knicks never made an offer and Rockets over paid to get the man they wanted.

Right now they are treating him like an investment and won't press him. He'll have time to work it thru.

For some Knick fans he is like the hot college girl we dated and had a brief but amazing time with! She meets a dude with lots of money and goes away. Over the years you hope she gets fat and is no longer hot. Bottom line is she is gone and what you do wit your life is what counts. If you end up with a great girl, all pretty and hot and your happy, it don't matter how the Ex turned out. If the KNicks succeed without Lin its irrelevant.

Felton is like the rebound chick who lost lots of weight and wants to flaunt it. He'll do for while but we know long term he is not the kind of player Lin had the potential to be. What is a long time with the knicks? Two or three seasons? Who the hell knows!

Knicks just need to take care of business themselves. If not, then the bitching will continue.

terrible analogy

I think the problem is some are having a hard time letting go of ex-players, like Lin, and dismissing what the Knicks have now. So when a poster puts down current Knick players to elevate J.Lins performance while he was here, it irks people the wrong way.

yes "Linsanity" was cool and fun but he's gone now. He moved on and I wish him luck at his new residence but he is no longer a Knick so I could care less about his contract or what he could have been as a player for this organization.

To constantly argue about that is childish and stupid. It shows me that some are not really KNICK fans and just fans of certain players.

holfresh wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

misterearl wrote:Doc Rivers Asked About Ray Allen

If Ray Allen, a future Hall of Fame guard, could leave the Celtics, ending a spectacular five-year run with Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce as Boston's Big Three, why are we kvetching over an often-injured, second year guard who has never played a full season? The Boston Celtics are focused on busting The Heat and Ray Allen's azz. As it should be. No looking back and absolutely no whining.

Does anyone think the Boston Celtics are crying about Ray Allen, or have they moved forward?

Grumwald is moving on.

Boston got the best of ray allen that they could. they won a ring with him, they reached the mountain top... ray wanted to leave after 5 years.. all great things come to an end..

the knicks didn't get that with lin, so much potential we never will get to see fulfilled here in a knick uniform, instead we will have to sit back and watch felton play like he is drunk, and prigs move like he is in quicksand.... how exciting!!!! smdh

Very exciting to finally have a PG that can defend any other PG in the league...Able to run an offense inclusive of our two top players...If Felton is able to knock down his shot with consistency, which Lin can't do either, it will only be the Lin groupies talking about him come playoff time....

holfresh. there is a slight difference between being an irrational lin groupie (of which there may be a few lurking about) and being a bit miffed that the kid left.

please don't tell me that in the midst of Linsanity or even after we got finished getting our asses handed to us in the playoffs that you made a list of priorities that looked like this:

Step 1. Get rid of that Lin kid. God his jumper is shaky. Worst thing to happen to this team since Allan Houston.

tkf. felton's gonna be just fine. he played decent when he was with the knicks. he played ok the 2nd half of last season.

i don't get why if you like Lin you need to **** on Felton and vice versa. holy ****. this is getting stupid.

I'm not sure if you are familiar with my thinking but I have always said I wanted Lin back with the Knicks..I just didn't think he is ready to lead a team deep into the post season...I think Lin, like most rookies needs to get his NBA legs under him...I wasn't actually blinded by Linsanity, I did see in those games he was playing poorly as well, like the Toronto game and the game against Minny..He got the credit tho...But I always thought Lin should be part of the Knicks...I also contend that if Lin wanted to be back as a Knick, he would be...But people knows I have always said that Felton and Lin would be the best PG lineup this season...

By the way, no one held a gun to his head and say sign here...So who am I miffed at??

It sounded to me that you were happy the guy was gone. Felton/Lin would have been a bit of an odd situation. I think Felton has shown that he can play in this league. He has more of a resume than Lin, true. I dunno if I'd be comfy going into a war with Lin as THE PG.

But there are those who say that Felton himself is also more of a backup PG than Lead guard of a playoff contender. You could easily chalk this up to being on crappy teams but he hasn't led any teams deep into the playoffs yet either right? I think there was one series my friend pointed out where Jameer Nelson destroyed him.

Would you rather have a Lin/Kidd PG rotation or a Lin/Felton backcourt?

There are 30 teams in the NBA. Is Felton better than 15 of those teams starters? If not, doesn't that by definition make him a below average "starter"?

I think he's going to have a good season but I can't blame fans who are non-plussed at him being back. But just like there are Lin groupies on this board some dudes are acting like we brought in Steve Nash or something. Now if that happened and people were whining about Lin this bad I'd have a similar attitude.

PGs I'd be ecstastic about bringing in even if it cost Lin:

Rondo, CP3, Westbrook, Lowry, Dragic, Mike Conley, Tony Parker, DWill, Steph Curry.

Felton I'm ok with but I would have been more ok with the originally laid out plan that was made public Lin/Kidd splitting minutes with Kidd closing games

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

holfresh wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

holfresh wrote:

tkf wrote:

misterearl wrote:Doc Rivers Asked About Ray Allen

If Ray Allen, a future Hall of Fame guard, could leave the Celtics, ending a spectacular five-year run with Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce as Boston's Big Three, why are we kvetching over an often-injured, second year guard who has never played a full season? The Boston Celtics are focused on busting The Heat and Ray Allen's azz. As it should be. No looking back and absolutely no whining.

Does anyone think the Boston Celtics are crying about Ray Allen, or have they moved forward?

Grumwald is moving on.

Boston got the best of ray allen that they could. they won a ring with him, they reached the mountain top... ray wanted to leave after 5 years.. all great things come to an end..

the knicks didn't get that with lin, so much potential we never will get to see fulfilled here in a knick uniform, instead we will have to sit back and watch felton play like he is drunk, and prigs move like he is in quicksand.... how exciting!!!! smdh

Very exciting to finally have a PG that can defend any other PG in the league...Able to run an offense inclusive of our two top players...If Felton is able to knock down his shot with consistency, which Lin can't do either, it will only be the Lin groupies talking about him come playoff time....

holfresh. there is a slight difference between being an irrational lin groupie (of which there may be a few lurking about) and being a bit miffed that the kid left.

please don't tell me that in the midst of Linsanity or even after we got finished getting our asses handed to us in the playoffs that you made a list of priorities that looked like this:

Step 1. Get rid of that Lin kid. God his jumper is shaky. Worst thing to happen to this team since Allan Houston.

tkf. felton's gonna be just fine. he played decent when he was with the knicks. he played ok the 2nd half of last season.

i don't get why if you like Lin you need to **** on Felton and vice versa. holy ****. this is getting stupid.

I'm not sure if you are familiar with my thinking but I have always said I wanted Lin back with the Knicks..I just didn't think he is ready to lead a team deep into the post season...I think Lin, like most rookies needs to get his NBA legs under him...I wasn't actually blinded by Linsanity, I did see in those games he was playing poorly as well, like the Toronto game and the game against Minny..He got the credit tho...But I always thought Lin should be part of the Knicks...I also contend that if Lin wanted to be back as a Knick, he would be...But people knows I have always said that Felton and Lin would be the best PG lineup this season...

By the way, no one held a gun to his head and say sign here...So who am I miffed at??

It sounded to me that you were happy the guy was gone. Felton/Lin would have been a bit of an odd situation. I think Felton has shown that he can play in this league. He has more of a resume than Lin, true. I dunno if I'd be comfy going into a war with Lin as THE PG.

But there are those who say that Felton himself is also more of a backup PG than Lead guard of a playoff contender. You could easily chalk this up to being on crappy teams but he hasn't led any teams deep into the playoffs yet either right? I think there was one series my friend pointed out where Jameer Nelson destroyed him.

Would you rather have a Lin/Kidd PG rotation or a Lin/Felton backcourt?

There are 30 teams in the NBA. Is Felton better than 15 of those teams starters? If not, doesn't that by definition make him a below average "starter"?

I think he's going to have a good season but I can't blame fans who are non-plussed at him being back. But just like there are Lin groupies on this board some dudes are acting like we brought in Steve Nash or something. Now if that happened and people were whining about Lin this bad I'd have a similar attitude.

PGs I'd be ecstastic about bringing in even if it cost Lin:

Rondo, CP3, Westbrook, Lowry, Dragic, Mike Conley, Tony Parker, DWill, Steph Curry.

Felton I'm ok with but I would have been more ok with the originally laid out plan that was made public Lin/Kidd splitting minutes with Kidd closing games

Very good post. I absolutely agree with you about Felton - he does not excite me specifically due to his mediocre shooting.

The issue I have is that the same people who were screaming when he was traded are now calling him a scrub.

Felton is a good passer, good defender, good chemistry guy (for NY) but an awful shooter and suspect shot selection.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

holfresh wrote:Kidd is done..

If Kidd is done I am oh so confused as to why he was brought in. At the time I thought and Kidd thought (just from what he was saying himself) he was being brought in to mentor Lin. Woodson, Melo, STAT also all thought Lin would be back. If you believe Kidd is done then I assume you also believe that Knicks management is capable of screwing up. More on this later...

holfresh wrote:I would start Felton and bring Lin off the bench...Lin is more of a shoot first guard....I think the important thing for this team is to get our two best players the ball where they can be most effective...Felton would do a better job of that...I have seen Felton run an offense and the jury is still out on Lin..Linsanity gave you Lin as the primary option and he didn't do as well when he had to defer to others...I'm not as bullish as others are on Lin...Linsainty was 8 games??.. He played horribly in two of those games, but got the credit after the Knicks won...So are we anointing him after 6 good NBA games???

Agree with most of this. Will say: Lin was more of an attacking point guard, more of a drive and kick assist guy than a Jason Kidd. But he was a very WILLING passer and clearly enjoyed passing. Also you're right about it being kind of crazy to project what Lin is capable of after a small amount of games with any certainty. But you have also got to admit it's just as crazy for people to stick a fork in an guys entire career going forward based off him playing horribly (and yes it was horrible. everyone including Lin admits that) in "two of those games". If anything the guys who "know" Lin will be good have a larger sample size backing them up than the guys who "know" Lin will be terrible. Personally I think none of y'all really "know" jack sheeeet. We can all laugh and know with certainty in 3 years once we're looking back on the championship we won/came oh so close to winning during the Melo/Stat era or crying in our beers about how that damn John Hollinger was right. Also Kidd might actually be the best qualified to figure out how to get our stars the ball. We can't watch another playoff series that consists of spending 20 seconds trying to force the ball into Melo, failing and then jacking up a bad shot. Kind of though Woodson was outcoached when we could not figure out a way to get Melo the ball. Perhaps lack of PG was the issue.

holfresh wrote:
But I think it's now better off now that Lin is gone...He wanted his own stage...If he wanted to stay in NY he would still be here...I think the fame thing got to him and he is taking it to the bank, which is all good with me...I'm more worried about competing against the Heat...If you are a real competitor, wouldn't you want to play with the best possible guys and see if you can make a run at the Heat..Lin opted to go to a sucky team...So you won't see me blaming Melo for Lin not being here...You wont see me blaming Dolan for not matching that ridiculous contract...Today, I truly believe will better compete against the Heat with Felton than we will with Lin, call me crazy....

I too would love to have CP3 or Westbrook but it's not realistic...Felton was the only realistic option we had...By the way, who is acting like Felton is Steve Nash??..I haven't seen that...

Holfresh holfresh holfresh. My man. I know you bleed blue and orange. That much is evident. You're not one of these johnny come lately creepers who started watching game only after the STAT signing/Melo Trade/Linsanity. You have suffered through a decade (MINIMUM, possibly longer. No idea how old you are) of watching Dolan and those who he has deemed worthy of GMing screw up in every possible way:

draft picks (Artest/Weiss, passing up about half a dozen great young PGs when we haven't had a decent one since..Charlie Ward? Mark Jackson? Marbury?)

FA signings (Jerome James, Allan Houston, Chris Childs, Jared Jefferies, etc)

Trades

The Knicks have 0 media savvy, they treat the fans like sh!t (thanks for sticking with us through a decade of losing, we're jacking up ticket prices!), they treat their own employees like sh!t unless they're Isiah fricking Thomas. You've repeatedly even seen Dolan overuling his own basketball people to do whatever he wants to do (Allan Houston, Melo trade allegedly). He changes his mind all the F-in time based on whims and personal issues. One day Larry Brown is a genius, NCAA/NBA trophy winner. The next day he's persona non grata to the point where Woodson had to FIRE their shared agent to get an extension (petty much?). Like an idiot I still am obsessed with this team above my G-Men & Yankees who have been WAY kinder to me.

Jeremy Lin tried to deflect attention during Linsanity to his teammates. He seemed a bit embarassed by all the attention and genuinely thankful to have his 15 minutes of fame. By all accounts he's a good kid (his twitter profile pic is a frikkin JESUS cartoon)

Scenario 1: Dolan is a petulant emotional brat who meddles too much.

Scenario 2: Lin is gone...He wanted his own stage...If he wanted to stay in NY he would still be here...I think the fame thing got to him and he is taking it to the bank, which is all good with me...

Scenario 3: Melo engineered this whole damn thing and also he's the cause of global warming

Scenario 4: Management and Lin BOTH screwed up. Management did not make Lin an offer and told Lin to go get an offer.

Lin screwed up by assuming the Knicks would match ANY offer. It is quite true he simply could have gone to Grunny and said "hey this offer is kind of crazy. I want to stay with NY. Let's make it happen. Just offer me the most you can." and given up a ton of $ in the process. Perhaps he knows that his knee might not be right. Perhaps he has doubts about whether he's really good enough to earn another contract and this is all he's going to get.

It is also true that management screwed up by NEVER even making Lin an offer and by ASSUMING that no1 would try to use a poison pill after seeing Toronto do JUST that with Landry Fields. Also just like Lin, management could have approached him and said hey we like you but that 3rd year is going to kill us luxury tax wise. Also if you believe this scenario you have to believe that Dolan all of a sudden cares about blowing money.

ISIAH THOMAS SPENT $30 M on JEROME F-IN JAMES..and DOLAN DID NOT FIRE HIM!!!!
ISIAH THOMAS SPENT $30 M on JARED F-IN JEFFERIES..and DOLAN WANTED TO KEEP HIM AROUND. He only fired him once the sexual harassment suit made him!

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The plan was to have Lin/Kidd as our PGs. We may be better off with Felton/Kidd.

I think that scenario 4 is what happened except I'm having a REALLY REALLY hard time believing the same man who blew $60M on the JJ duo all of a sudden balked at spending $ on the biggest draw in the NBA. Maybe Dolan finally wised up and really did feel burned by the ridicule he's been getting for wasting $???

Scenario 3 is a bit ridiculous fine. But my fellow Knick diehard Holfresh..how when given the choice between Scenario 1 vs Scenario 2 can you project bad intentions on Jeremy Lin and NOT James Dolan.

Outside of that for fans who do pin this on Dolan. How can you NOT at least say "hmmm y'know now that I look back on the last 10 years + of my life..I can see why you'd think Dolan's petulance had someting to do with this"

Even if Dolan's (alleged) idiocy led to an outcome that you believe is better (Felton/Kidd) it's kind of like...praising your child for throwing feces because it happened to hit your annoying mother in law in the face.

Here is the thing..I have no issue with scenario 2, honestly...Just don't pretend like you are a happy go lucky goober that don't know what you are doing....After watching ESPN 30 for 30 on players going broke or even before that..U can never begrudge a player for trying to maximize his worth to help himself and his family..I WILL NEVER HOLD THAT AGAINST LIN...Just don't pretend to be oblivious to the process..I am not stupid..It's why Jeremy is not believable in my eyes, but that's just me...The entire media persona is a charade in my eyes..The whole Tebow love letter, come on, I want to gag on my puke...Oh shucks, I ended up in Houston, how did that happen???..Come on, save it...

As far as Dolan, he does what I want a owner to do and that is spend all his money to buy players for my teams..I love it..Beyond that, Am I going to pout about who he spends it on and when he spends it...Now I don't think Lin is worth 25 mil over three year much less the 60 to 70 mil it would cost the Knicks...It's not my money but from what I read it would have hampered the Knicks flexibility going forward, to that I object...But I do think it hilarious that fans are pissed at an owner who spends like there is no tomorrow and pissed when he doesn't spend where they deem it necessary...It's his money...

True the Knicks are poorly managed, no doubt about it..But Dolan will spend to right the ship like a drunken sailor..He gets it all wrong mostly but he will also try to spend his way out of it...I would be less than honest with myself if I said I don't want him to do it...How can u honestly say Dolan please spend all your money then go back and say he is a fool for spending it the way he did..I can't do that..It's not my make-up....I can't kill Dolan..I want him to spend to put a good product on the court but he has had bad guidance, what can I say..But people are being less the genuine asking Dolan to spend, and then not spend, then call him a tool...It's not my way..I'm the anti-Romney, I stick to my guns and is usually consistent...

holfresh wrote:Here is the thing..I have no issue with scenario 2, honestly...Just don't pretend like you are a happy go lucky goober that don't know what you are doing....After watching ESPN 30 for 30 on players going broke or even before that..U can never begrudge a player for trying to maximize his worth to help himself and his family..I WILL NEVER HOLD THAT AGAINST LIN...Just don't pretend to be oblivious to the process..I am not stupid..It's why Jeremy is not believable in my eyes, but that's just me...The entire media persona is a charade in my eyes..The whole Tebow love letter, come on, I want to gag on my puke...Oh shucks, I ended up in Houston, how did that happen???..Come on, save it...

So cynical you are man. Perhaps you're right though. Not too long ago Dwight Howard was the one who was the good ol' oblivious church kid and look what the NBA did to him. I still believe that everyone, their mama and Jeremy Lin thought the Knicks would match anything. There's no way for either of us to know.

holfresh wrote:As far as Dolan, he does what I want a owner to do and that is spend all his money to buy players for my teams..I love it..

Doesn't that mean that YOU, above everyone else should be at least confused that he's turned the faucets off? Everyone else that pissed and moaned (like me) about his indiscriminate spending kinda go what we wished for right?

If Dolan being willing to spend whatever it takes was his only redeeming feature..and then he stops spending whatever it takes..what does that leave again???

holfresh wrote:It's not my money but from what I read it would have hampered the Knicks flexibility going forward, to that I object...

I posted like numerous times about this. Signing Lin would have meant a monster tax hit going forward but cost NOTHING/zero/zip/zilch in terms of roster flexibility. I studied the rules of the new CBA more than I had any business doing and the one line summary is:

With Lin: 0 flexibility.
Without Lin: 0 flexibility.

Roster flexibility going forward had 0 to do with Felton over Lin. Luxury tax, yes.

holfresh wrote:
But I do think it hilarious that fans are pissed at an owner who spends like there is no tomorrow and pissed when he doesn't spend where they deem it necessary...It's his money...

It's "hilarious" outside the world of sports. In the context of the team it's kind of standard for fans to get pissed if they feel $ is being wasted. I'm sure you would be fairly pissed if we spent say 5 years/$100M on Jeremy Lin and let Shumpert walk..even though it's Dolan's $ right??? In fact I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that somewhere on this forum there's a record of you being pissed at an idiotic signing right?

holfresh wrote:
But people are being less the genuine asking Dolan to spend, and then not spend, then call him a tool...It's not my way..I'm the anti-Romney, I stick to my guns and is usually consistent...

holfresh = consistent

i dunno if you can call a fan who complains about paying for a veteran who's shown he is a lazy bum (jerome james) and then who turns around and complains about not paying to keep an exciting young player (lin) "inconsistent". but let's say we concede that point...

James Dolan is the epitome of Romney-like inconsistency.

Pre-Lin Dolan "Shut up world! I'm gonna spend like a drunken sailor. Fiscal responsibility, luxury tax and salary cap flexibility be damned!"

Post-Lin Dolan "I can't spend like a drunken sailor. I have to be fiscally responsible because of the luxury tax! (you can add roster flexibility in here but I assure you Lin wouldn't have cost us any)

Is the above behavior by Dolan not inconsistent?

If Grund wanted Lin back, he would be back. He be on the hot seat, but if he felt Lin was the next Nash, he wouldtake that risk.