limpidgimp wrote:Melo: "If my scoring goes from 27 to 23, I'm cool with that. Right now, I'm willing to make any sacrifice that I have to."

Spoken like a true stat whore. As if giving up 4 pts per game is equivalent to donating his kidney or selling his children to a labor camp.

And it's not actually a "sacrifice" if you trade in something small to get something bigger. If, in exchange for 4 points, he can convert a Loss into a Win, he would still consider that a "sacrifice" even though Winning is certainly the more desirable result. Players who are win-first do not talk like this.

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:Well I for one is happy to see Melo say he will do what it takes to win...Sorry no spin...

I believe Melo I think that he will make sacrifices and wants to win badly especially after his buddy Lebron won. However you cant blame people who feel taht Melo needs to prove it on the court first because he does. I like melo and feel that he will have his best year BUT he still has to prove it

These are the same people who thinks Gallo doesn't flops..

Holfresh, good post but you opened the flood gates for the usual anti-Melo-Jerk circle to commence...Its beyond funny how its the usual suspects that love Gallo/Hate Melo....What ever happened to objectivity?

I'm not a Gallo lover by any means. Matter of fact he was extremely overrated when here but what I'll give Gallo credit for is showing some strides and growing into what could be a unique player. What he has to improve on first and foremost is his health, his ability to hit wide open jumpers, and his ability to finish at the rim off the dribble. He plays big most of the time, when it's money time and he plays with a pretty decent level of efficiency.

What the Melo lovers have a hard time dealing with is that Melo isn't beyond criticism and the level at which you all want to shower praise on him comes in wake of criticism heaped on him.

How about you guys do what Melo should be doing and just let things play out instead of trying to hand him/announce glory in advance.

Good grief even one of Melo's biggest supporters Stephen A. Smith has acknowledged the dude hasn't gotten the job done yet

Speaking for myself, I have been critical of Melo when is necessary. I have gone on record as saying Melo had to take some of the blame in the MDA debacle. As the coach and architect of the team, I believe MDA needs to take most of the blame, but Melo wasn't always a good soldier so he takes a bit of a hit aswell.

I find it ironic that those who knock Melo are quick to point out that he's not an elite player, then turn around and bash Melo for not leading his team to 'chips like the elite players they claim he is not as good as anyway. Even the most hardcore Melo fan can see that he's not on Lebron and Kobe's leve and I've never seen anyone on this board say this. We all know he's a pure scorer similar to Gervin, King and Dantley, yet, the Melo-haters up the ante and expect him to put up Lebrons point-forward numbers. When he doesn't, they bash him when they know that's not his make-up. So its pretty much a lose-lose situation for Melo in the eyes of haters who raise the expectation level just out of reach so he can get knocked regardless.

The posts that bother me most, is those that lack any objectivity. The black-white posts that throw up surface-numbers and do not offer a glimpse beneath the surface. It has nothing to do with blaming Karl his Nuggs teammates, but its about being real. Did anyone really expect the Nuggs to beat the Spurs (twice) or the Lakers in the playoffs without homecourt? Why not acknowledge that one year the Nuggs won 50 games and was an 8th seed? Doesn't that say something about how tough the west was during those years? Facts like that are brushed aside and left out of posts because it doesn't fit with certain posters agenda's. Objectivity from some of this posters would nice sometimes....

the crux of the matter is that you never, ever acquire such players except as free agents. only franchise players are worth the max AND trading a bunch of valuable pieces for.

this is why amare for all his flaws is an acceptable acquisition. he is really not worth max money but we didn't have to give up alot to get him, unless you think lee was all that great. i think lee is a better passer and rebounder than stoudemire. so while stat is not a franchise player i don't think the knicks lost that much.

the problem is we treated melo like he was a franchise player... paying max money and overhauling the roster. had he waited until free agency where he would get his money without disrupting what walsh was building here, it would have been an acceptable move.

instead he HAD TO get his money and that whore dolan HAD TO have a marquee name. those two HAD TO's add up to this present situation.

I keep reading posters speculating that if the Knicks had waited Melo would have come in free agency. That was never going to happen. The owners told the players they were going to lock them out and that big changes were coming. Melo knew this and was forcing Denver to trade him. He was leaving at the deadline whether he became a Knick or not. Denver also wasn't going to chance ending up empty handed because Melo played out his contract.

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:Well I for one is happy to see Melo say he will do what it takes to win...Sorry no spin...

I believe Melo I think that he will make sacrifices and wants to win badly especially after his buddy Lebron won. However you cant blame people who feel taht Melo needs to prove it on the court first because he does. I like melo and feel that he will have his best year BUT he still has to prove it

These are the same people who thinks Gallo doesn't flops..

Holfresh, good post but you opened the flood gates for the usual anti-Melo-Jerk circle to commence...Its beyond funny how its the usual suspects that love Gallo/Hate Melo....What ever happened to objectivity?

I'm not a Gallo lover by any means. Matter of fact he was extremely overrated when here but what I'll give Gallo credit for is showing some strides and growing into what could be a unique player. What he has to improve on first and foremost is his health, his ability to hit wide open jumpers, and his ability to finish at the rim off the dribble. He plays big most of the time, when it's money time and he plays with a pretty decent level of efficiency.

What the Melo lovers have a hard time dealing with is that Melo isn't beyond criticism and the level at which you all want to shower praise on him comes in wake of criticism heaped on him.

How about you guys do what Melo should be doing and just let things play out instead of trying to hand him/announce glory in advance.

Good grief even one of Melo's biggest supporters Stephen A. Smith has acknowledged the dude hasn't gotten the job done yet

Speaking for myself, I have been critical of Melo when is necessary. I have gone on record as saying Melo had to take some of the blame in the MDA debacle. As the coach and architect of the team, I believe MDA needs to take most of the blame, but Melo wasn't always a good soldier so he takes a bit of a hit aswell.

I find it ironic that those who knock Melo are quick to point out that he's not an elite player, then turn around and bash Melo for not leading his team to 'chips like the elite players they claim he is not as good as anyway. Even the most hardcore Melo fan can see that he's not on Lebron and Kobe's leve and I've never seen anyone on this board say this. We all know he's a pure scorer similar to Gervin, King and Dantley, yet, the Melo-haters up the ante and expect him to put up Lebrons point-forward numbers. When he doesn't, they bash him when they know that's not his make-up. So its pretty much a lose-lose situation for Melo in the eyes of haters who raise the expectation level just out of reach so he can get knocked regardless.

The posts that bother me most, is those that lack any objectivity. The black-white posts that throw up surface-numbers and do not offer a glimpse beneath the surface. It has nothing to do with blaming Karl his Nuggs teammates, but its about being real. Did anyone really expect the Nuggs to beat the Spurs (twice) or the Lakers in the playoffs without homecourt? Why not acknowledge that one year the Nuggs won 50 games and was an 8th seed? Doesn't that say something about how tough the west was during those years? Facts like that are brushed aside and left out of posts because it doesn't fit with certain posters agenda's. Objectivity from some of this posters would nice sometimes....

the crux of the matter is that you never, ever acquire such players except as free agents. only franchise players are worth the max AND trading a bunch of valuable pieces for.

this is why amare for all his flaws is an acceptable acquisition. he is really not worth max money but we didn't have to give up alot to get him, unless you think lee was all that great. i think lee is a better passer and rebounder than stoudemire. so while stat is not a franchise player i don't think the knicks lost that much.

the problem is we treated melo like he was a franchise player... paying max money and overhauling the roster. had he waited until free agency where he would get his money without disrupting what walsh was building here, it would have been an acceptable move.

instead he HAD TO get his money and that whore dolan HAD TO have a marquee name. those two HAD TO's add up to this present situation.

I keep reading posters speculating that if the Knicks had waited Melo would have come in free agency. That was never going to happen. The owners told the players they were going to lock them out and that big changes were coming. Melo knew this and was forcing Denver to trade him. He was leaving at the deadline whether he became a Knick or not. Denver also wasn't going to chance ending up empty handed because Melo played out his contract.

Probably so and off he goes to Jersey. No question the opinion and feeling of him as a player is nothing like we see presently. Guess what more importantly, it means we would have had the best package for Deron Williams and quite honestly a better pairing for Amar'e. More than likely at a lesser cost in assets.

DWil would have definitely been the better pairing. He has been really inefficient in NJ though.

Uptown wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I was really really pissed when I heard about the DWil trade. Did Donnie miss this one?

DWil would have definitely been the better pairing. He has been really inefficient in NJ though.

I think it came out that the Knicks didn't know Williams was on the market. Also, the way Amare has been breaking down the last two years, not sure how much better off we would have been...

Even though he is breaking down, he has still played the majority of the games so to your point, that would only be the case if Amare was out. Also, I think that PG is a more important ingredient especially on this team.

I also believe that the main issue is still that Amare and Chandler don'e coexist well.

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:Well I for one is happy to see Melo say he will do what it takes to win...Sorry no spin...

I believe Melo I think that he will make sacrifices and wants to win badly especially after his buddy Lebron won. However you cant blame people who feel taht Melo needs to prove it on the court first because he does. I like melo and feel that he will have his best year BUT he still has to prove it

These are the same people who thinks Gallo doesn't flops..

Holfresh, good post but you opened the flood gates for the usual anti-Melo-Jerk circle to commence...Its beyond funny how its the usual suspects that love Gallo/Hate Melo....What ever happened to objectivity?

I'm not a Gallo lover by any means. Matter of fact he was extremely overrated when here but what I'll give Gallo credit for is showing some strides and growing into what could be a unique player. What he has to improve on first and foremost is his health, his ability to hit wide open jumpers, and his ability to finish at the rim off the dribble. He plays big most of the time, when it's money time and he plays with a pretty decent level of efficiency.

What the Melo lovers have a hard time dealing with is that Melo isn't beyond criticism and the level at which you all want to shower praise on him comes in wake of criticism heaped on him.

How about you guys do what Melo should be doing and just let things play out instead of trying to hand him/announce glory in advance.

Good grief even one of Melo's biggest supporters Stephen A. Smith has acknowledged the dude hasn't gotten the job done yet

Speaking for myself, I have been critical of Melo when is necessary. I have gone on record as saying Melo had to take some of the blame in the MDA debacle. As the coach and architect of the team, I believe MDA needs to take most of the blame, but Melo wasn't always a good soldier so he takes a bit of a hit aswell.

I find it ironic that those who knock Melo are quick to point out that he's not an elite player, then turn around and bash Melo for not leading his team to 'chips like the elite players they claim he is not as good as anyway. Even the most hardcore Melo fan can see that he's not on Lebron and Kobe's leve and I've never seen anyone on this board say this. We all know he's a pure scorer similar to Gervin, King and Dantley, yet, the Melo-haters up the ante and expect him to put up Lebrons point-forward numbers. When he doesn't, they bash him when they know that's not his make-up. So its pretty much a lose-lose situation for Melo in the eyes of haters who raise the expectation level just out of reach so he can get knocked regardless.

The posts that bother me most, is those that lack any objectivity. The black-white posts that throw up surface-numbers and do not offer a glimpse beneath the surface. It has nothing to do with blaming Karl his Nuggs teammates, but its about being real. Did anyone really expect the Nuggs to beat the Spurs (twice) or the Lakers in the playoffs without homecourt? Why not acknowledge that one year the Nuggs won 50 games and was an 8th seed? Doesn't that say something about how tough the west was during those years? Facts like that are brushed aside and left out of posts because it doesn't fit with certain posters agenda's. Objectivity from some of this posters would nice sometimes....

the crux of the matter is that you never, ever acquire such players except as free agents. only franchise players are worth the max AND trading a bunch of valuable pieces for.

this is why amare for all his flaws is an acceptable acquisition. he is really not worth max money but we didn't have to give up alot to get him, unless you think lee was all that great. i think lee is a better passer and rebounder than stoudemire. so while stat is not a franchise player i don't think the knicks lost that much.

the problem is we treated melo like he was a franchise player... paying max money and overhauling the roster. had he waited until free agency where he would get his money without disrupting what walsh was building here, it would have been an acceptable move.

instead he HAD TO get his money and that whore dolan HAD TO have a marquee name. those two HAD TO's add up to this present situation.

I keep reading posters speculating that if the Knicks had waited Melo would have come in free agency. That was never going to happen. The owners told the players they were going to lock them out and that big changes were coming. Melo knew this and was forcing Denver to trade him. He was leaving at the deadline whether he became a Knick or not. Denver also wasn't going to chance ending up empty handed because Melo played out his contract.

Probably so and off he goes to Jersey. No question the opinion and feeling of him as a player is nothing like we see presently. Guess what more importantly, it means we would have had the best package for Deron Williams and quite honestly a better pairing for Amar'e. More than likely at a lesser cost in assets.

Yeah but no one knew D-Will was available. I can't remember but did Billy King have an inside track with someone in Utah? Also, at the time Williams was not planning on resigning at least with the Nets.

With Jerry Sloan stepping down there should have been an immediate call from our front office to them. For all the incompetent talk about Billy King as a GM how is it he managed to be the first to swoop in on Deron and Joe Johnson at very reasonable to little cost and no one else? Aren't these the kind of things that separate one GM from the next?

Once again even if not known DW was available if we let New Jersey milk themselves of assets(which it would have come at a great cost to them) our team would have been stronger with no trade made at the time.....But once consummated between Denver/NJ then the only logic path of discovering DW's availability leads to us, as in literally falling into our lap.

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I was really really pissed when I heard about the DWil trade. Did Donnie miss this one?

DWil would have definitely been the better pairing. He has been really inefficient in NJ though.

Yes he really screwed up some chances when he was here. He was very stoic and respected but he was out of touch with reality....

Fans were big upping him as THE DON and THE EVIL EMPIRE all powerful one but from the horses mouth

Sources without links but they are from Daily News and NewYork CBSLocal and ESPN TrueHoop

A day after the Knicks finished their dogged pursuit of Carmelo Anthony, Utah Jazz point guard Deron Williams - the player that Donnie Walsh had long coveted - landed with the cross-river rival Nets. Thursday, after the revamped Knicks had gone through their first full practice in Greenburgh, the team president seemed upset with himself for not having gotten involved in the Williams sweepstakes.

Walsh says he didn't even know talks were going on.

"No, I didn't. I really didn't," Walsh said. "I probably should have thought about it because of (Jazz coach) Jerry (Sloan) when he left."

“Not that it was Jerry leaving,” said Walsh. “But the franchise could say, ‘OK, we’ve got to go young now and start rebuilding.’”

When asked whether whiffing on Williams was a blown opportunity, Walsh replied, “Not really.” He didn’t sound entirely convincing.

“I’m not going to comment on what I really thought,” Walsh added. “But I thought something.”

We know that Walsh didn't pursue Williams, and didn't know he was available. But Sam Amick talked to all the front offices involved last month on his NBA Confidential blog, and writes:

While Walsh is certainly thrilled to land Anthony, he admitted the notion of landing Williams would have been appealing had he known he was on the market.

Asked if things might have turned out differently if he was privy to that information, Walsh said with a shrug when asked by NBA Confidential, “it might have.”

Walsh was obviously more a Deron guy than Melo and hence he wasn't brought back, never fully on board with he Melo trade. Insulted with the 40% paycut from Dolan. Then D'AnToni asking for a Deron trade last year and then quitting....lol

Do you think Dolan would not have opted for Deron over Melo if he would have known that he was available? I think he would have. At that point Deron was widely considered a better player.

Did Utah just contact NJ and nobody else? A bit dumb on Utah's part if they wanted max value for him. They did however get decent value - Favors, Harris and who first rounders (which would be higher than the knicks 2 first rounders).

Also interesting that NJ wanted Melo over Deron.

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Do you think Dolan would not have opted for Deron over Melo if he would have known that he was available? I think he would have. At that point Deron was widely considered a better player.

Well yes the first quote stated...."long coveted"

His coach was still begging for an ELITE point guard and Nash rumors were always rampant

What do you think?

I think that Melo was not willing to sign and extension in NJ which might have been the issue that held up the trade.

Deron did not either sign an extension but after they lost Melo, they had no choice but to take a chance.

I think if Melo was willing to sign, they would have gone with him.

Also the first Nets pick was not lotto protected. Enas Kantor #3!! And almost received the Warriors pick this year (8 or lower - they finished 7th by tanking). They have two more years to get a shot at GS's pick (protected from 6 and lower - not bad). Utah might have gotten more than the knicks would have given. Gallo, Chandler (was a FA), Felton - Billups was a wash, Moz, two first which are not nearly as good as what they got from the Nets. ALL FOR NO GUARANTEE!

mrKnickShot wrote:I was really really pissed when I heard about the DWil trade. Did Donnie miss this one?

DWil would have definitely been the better pairing. He has been really inefficient in NJ though.

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Do you think Dolan would not have opted for Deron over Melo if he would have known that he was available? I think he would have. At that point Deron was widely considered a better player.

Well yes the first quote stated...."long coveted"

His coach was still begging for an ELITE point guard and Nash rumors were always rampant

What do you think?

I think that Melo was not willing to sign and extension in NJ which might have been the issue that held up the trade.

Deron did not either sign an extension but after they lost Melo, they had no choice but to take a chance.

I think if Melo was willing to sign, they would have gone with him.

Also the first Nets pick was not lotto protected. Enas Kantor #3!! And almost received the Warriors pick this year (8 or lower - they finished 7th by tanking). They have two more years to get a shot at GS's pick (protected from 6 and lower - not bad). Utah might have gotten more than the knicks would have given. Gallo, Chandler (was a FA), Felton - Billups was a wash, Moz, two first which are not nearly as good as what they got from the Nets. ALL FOR NO GUARANTEE!

Actually there were strong rumors of belief out of Melo's camp he was going to New Jersey if we didn't cave in.

The trade for Deron would have went something like this...

Curry
AR or Moz
2 of Gallo/Fields/Chandler(more than likely they go Gallo/Fields because of Will's RFA) keep in mind Fields trade value at that time was high
2014 1rst
2016 1rst swap or both 2014 and 2015 2nd rounders
Douglas

Is

Harris
Favors
Kanter
1rst

Better?

Doubt it. Maybe we get someone like C.J. Miles back with DW who knows.

I think that if Melo woulda gone to NJ, he would have signed an extension. If that were the case, the Nets would have needed to give an even better package.

Either way. I would have given up the denver package for DWil (if he agreed to sign)

Also, Kanter was a number 3 pick. If Utah might have screwed that one up. That is an extremely high lottery pick to give up in a trade especially for a guy that was not going to commit.

If you think for 1 sec Melo wasn't about his paper you're fooling yourself. If you think Deron wouldn't have stayed in New York with Amar'e and a couple pieces to build forward with then you're fooling yourself. And looking back at how the 2011 draft went say we finish with a better record 4-5gms above .500 well Marshon Brooks fell to 25 8 spots below Shumpert let that sink in for a bit.

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

3G4G wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

3G4G wrote:

Uptown wrote:

holfresh wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

holfresh wrote:Well I for one is happy to see Melo say he will do what it takes to win...Sorry no spin...

I believe Melo I think that he will make sacrifices and wants to win badly especially after his buddy Lebron won. However you cant blame people who feel taht Melo needs to prove it on the court first because he does. I like melo and feel that he will have his best year BUT he still has to prove it

These are the same people who thinks Gallo doesn't flops..

Holfresh, good post but you opened the flood gates for the usual anti-Melo-Jerk circle to commence...Its beyond funny how its the usual suspects that love Gallo/Hate Melo....What ever happened to objectivity?

I'm not a Gallo lover by any means. Matter of fact he was extremely overrated when here but what I'll give Gallo credit for is showing some strides and growing into what could be a unique player. What he has to improve on first and foremost is his health, his ability to hit wide open jumpers, and his ability to finish at the rim off the dribble. He plays big most of the time, when it's money time and he plays with a pretty decent level of efficiency.

What the Melo lovers have a hard time dealing with is that Melo isn't beyond criticism and the level at which you all want to shower praise on him comes in wake of criticism heaped on him.

How about you guys do what Melo should be doing and just let things play out instead of trying to hand him/announce glory in advance.

Good grief even one of Melo's biggest supporters Stephen A. Smith has acknowledged the dude hasn't gotten the job done yet

Speaking for myself, I have been critical of Melo when is necessary. I have gone on record as saying Melo had to take some of the blame in the MDA debacle. As the coach and architect of the team, I believe MDA needs to take most of the blame, but Melo wasn't always a good soldier so he takes a bit of a hit aswell.

I find it ironic that those who knock Melo are quick to point out that he's not an elite player, then turn around and bash Melo for not leading his team to 'chips like the elite players they claim he is not as good as anyway. Even the most hardcore Melo fan can see that he's not on Lebron and Kobe's leve and I've never seen anyone on this board say this. We all know he's a pure scorer similar to Gervin, King and Dantley, yet, the Melo-haters up the ante and expect him to put up Lebrons point-forward numbers. When he doesn't, they bash him when they know that's not his make-up. So its pretty much a lose-lose situation for Melo in the eyes of haters who raise the expectation level just out of reach so he can get knocked regardless.

The posts that bother me most, is those that lack any objectivity. The black-white posts that throw up surface-numbers and do not offer a glimpse beneath the surface. It has nothing to do with blaming Karl his Nuggs teammates, but its about being real. Did anyone really expect the Nuggs to beat the Spurs (twice) or the Lakers in the playoffs without homecourt? Why not acknowledge that one year the Nuggs won 50 games and was an 8th seed? Doesn't that say something about how tough the west was during those years? Facts like that are brushed aside and left out of posts because it doesn't fit with certain posters agenda's. Objectivity from some of this posters would nice sometimes....

the crux of the matter is that you never, ever acquire such players except as free agents. only franchise players are worth the max AND trading a bunch of valuable pieces for.

this is why amare for all his flaws is an acceptable acquisition. he is really not worth max money but we didn't have to give up alot to get him, unless you think lee was all that great. i think lee is a better passer and rebounder than stoudemire. so while stat is not a franchise player i don't think the knicks lost that much.

the problem is we treated melo like he was a franchise player... paying max money and overhauling the roster. had he waited until free agency where he would get his money without disrupting what walsh was building here, it would have been an acceptable move.

instead he HAD TO get his money and that whore dolan HAD TO have a marquee name. those two HAD TO's add up to this present situation.

I keep reading posters speculating that if the Knicks had waited Melo would have come in free agency. That was never going to happen. The owners told the players they were going to lock them out and that big changes were coming. Melo knew this and was forcing Denver to trade him. He was leaving at the deadline whether he became a Knick or not. Denver also wasn't going to chance ending up empty handed because Melo played out his contract.

Probably so and off he goes to Jersey. No question the opinion and feeling of him as a player is nothing like we see presently. Guess what more importantly, it means we would have had the best package for Deron Williams and quite honestly a better pairing for Amar'e. More than likely at a lesser cost in assets.

Yeah but no one knew D-Will was available. I can't remember but did Billy King have an inside track with someone in Utah? Also, at the time Williams was not planning on resigning at least with the Nets.

With Jerry Sloan stepping down there should have been an immediate call from our front office to them. For all the incompetent talk about Billy King as a GM how is it he managed to be the first to swoop in on Deron and Joe Johnson at very reasonable to little cost and no one else? Aren't these the kind of things that separate one GM from the next?

Once again even if not known DW was available if we let New Jersey milk themselves of assets(which it would have come at a great cost to them) our team would have been stronger with no trade made at the time.....But once consummated between Denver/NJ then the only logic path of discovering DW's availability leads to us, as in literally falling into our lap.

I hate defending this since I am one of the few that feel that D.Walsh did a terrible job here but, at the time, the NBA world seemed to believe that J.Sloan stepped down because he wasn't getting along with D.Williams.

NO ONE saw that D.Williams trade coming.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/604730-jerry-sloan-resigns-why-deron-williams-nba-stars-have-all-the-power

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-sloanretiring021011

According to this report, it was discussed, and then, in 24 hours.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/24/sports/basketball/24nets.html?_r=0