3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I think the Nets have the most overrated team in the league right now.

+100000000000000000000

The most overrated 20-something win team in the history of the league, actually.

Shhhhhhhhhh, listen? You can hear the Dolan/Melo haters trying to dig up attractive pics of the N*yets dancer hos!

All this "my owner is suave and hip and your owner is a fat doofus" makes sooooooooo much more sense than any other line of discussion I've ever read on this board. Very enlightening. Keep it up fellas.

i think he played dolan pretty bad, doing a bait and switch to get dolan to bite on anthony and overpay while he got the point guard the knicks could have actually used-- williams-- to play with stoudemire. if anything it was an act of attrition... you know, the kind of move a savvy chess player would make in the short run in order to take advantage of a rival in the longer run.

the nets roster is not the most convincing but the knicks roster looks like a mess right now.

Right and Joe Johnson make more than Melo...DWill who isn't a max player making 20 mil...DWill isn't a leader, can't carry you in stretches like Melo did last year towards the end of the season, Doesn't make player around him better, not a great defender for his size, Isn't a floor general like Paul...I'm dumbfounded by the hoopla over DWill...Prok is winning a chess match huh...He is paying Gerald Wallace 10 mil the next 4 year and paying Bopez 15 per who isn't better than Chandler at 13 mil per...

When D-Will was in Utah he was doing everything Melo was doing and then some. He's also responsible for disposing of Melo's Nuggets in the playoffs in a head-to-head.

Melo didn't lead us anywhere his first half year here because we were already a playoff team

Melo did a horrific job first half of last season...... took a jolt from Jeremy to salvage it

Melo did a decent job second half but how much credit does he get since the team changed coaches?

While Melo has been to the playoffs more yrs or consecutive yrs than Deron

Deron has been to the WCF as has Melo. He also got there before Melo

Deron has been to the Semis 3 times Melo only 1 time

So "BY THE NUMBERS" in Post Season edge goes to Deron based on head-to-head

If DWill was so great what happen to the Nets last year...Players get hurt like on the Knicks, did he carry his team???...No...He is a max PG..Does he make players better...NO...Utah had a very good team...Boozer was doing work...about 20 and 12..Okur..AK47..Milsap doing work...They weren't so reliant of Williams to "carry" them...Unfortunately for Melo, he was mostly the one and only offensive weapon until Billups came along...You saw waht he did towards the end of the season..Is Deron that type of player...No...

Inaccurate again as usual not surprising considering the suspect

While Deron deserves blame for his performance in Jersey he wasn't fully committed to that team and he got traded. It wasn't like he was forcing himself somewhere he wanted to be like Melo. But once again yep he did not deliver according to his rep last year.

Let's revisit Utah shall we?

2003-2004 42-40 barely missed the playoffs...No Deron

2004-2005 26-56 missed the playoffs by a wide margin.....No Deron but they had Boozer(slightly more than half a season/AK47(half season)/Harpring/Memo

2005-2006 41-41 barely missed the playoffs...Deron's 1rst year

2006-2007 51-31 made the playoffs(4 seed) and made the WCF his 2nd year....Melo's 4rth yr and 4rth yr in a row of getting bounced in the 1rst round.....

And for the record the Jazz were like 11gms above .500 at one point before Sloan up and quit Williams was still there.

GOD BLESS AND GOOD NIGHT....Sheed approved

How can u be taken seriously when u argue about Melo's first round record given who the second best scorers/players on those teams were...Here are a list of the second best scorer on the teams Melo was on....2003-04 Melo 21, Andre Miller, Voshon Leonard both average 14 per...2004-05 Melo 21, KMart at 15 per, 2005-06 Melo 26, Ruben Patterson, Andre Miller avg better than 13 per...2006-07 Melo 29, Earl Boykins at 15 per, AI was traded to Denver that year, 2007-08 AI avg 26 and Melo 26 lost to the Lakers who went on to the Finals, 2008-09 They got Chauncey went to the WCF, 2009-10 Melo 28, Chauncey 20, lost to the Jazz, KMart hurt, rest of the roster????...If you going to be a fair arbiter, include all the facts of the case...Just don't spin the facts to suit your argument...U aren't going too far in the West against the Spurs and the Lakers with Voshon Leonard, KMart, Earl Boykins, Ruben Paterson, Andre Miller, playing the role of second fiddle or the second best player on the team...So now, do you really want to compare what DWill was working with versus Melo...

Another tired lame excuse from you.....

Denver as a team PPG averages were here we go more ownage

2003-2004 Nuggets were ranked 5th highest scoring team in the NBA

2004-2005 Nuggets were ranked 8th tied with Orlando in the NBA

2005-2006 Nuggets were ranked 5th highest scoring team in the NBA

2006-2007 Nuggets were ranked 3rd highest scoring team in the NBA

2007-2008 Nuggets were ranked 2nd highest scoring team in the NBA

2008-2009 Nuggets were ranked 6th highest scoring team in the NBA

2009-2010 Nuggets were ranked 3rd highest scoring team in the NBA

That's your problem though you only see the game from an offensive argument perspective and you pick and you choose when to apply it. In the meantime this is going to have to 3rd Degree Burn on you for a minute, I'll wait until you're wrapped and cooled off.

Ha...Defense win Championships...U talking to the guy that railed against the MDA hire and did so for 4 years due to his lack of emphasis on defense...I'm pointing out the help Melo had or lack there of...But u know that, thus the reason u take the conversation in another direction...U call it excuses to have Voshon Leonard and Earl Boykins as you second best players...Address that...KMart hurt for years...Excuses...

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

TheloniusMonk wrote:^^^^^Always funny when a person thinks they made a point when what they said meant absolutely nothing D Will is Marbury 2.0

+1

No difference in games with D Will and Marbury. Both don't make their teams better, they just put up great individual numbers, that's all. D Will needed talented teams in Utah to advance. D Will led a team with a healthy Kim K and Crash Wallace to 22 wins. Melo single-handedly willed a Lin-less and Amare-less squad into the playoffs for an entire month. Guys will trash Melo to the depths for supposedly getting D'Antoni to resign, but what Deron did to one of the most respected and hall of fame coaches in Jerry Sloan is 10 times more despicable.

How many seasons did Deron Play with Sloan? Melo with MDA about 50 games?

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

3G4G wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:I think the Nets have the most overrated team in the league right now.

+100000000000000000000

The most overrated 20-something win team in the history of the league, actually.

Shhhhhhhhhh, listen? You can hear the Dolan/Melo haters trying to dig up attractive pics of the N*yets dancer hos!

All this "my owner is suave and hip and your owner is a fat doofus" makes sooooooooo much more sense than any other line of discussion I've ever read on this board. Very enlightening. Keep it up fellas.

i think he played dolan pretty bad, doing a bait and switch to get dolan to bite on anthony and overpay while he got the point guard the knicks could have actually used-- williams-- to play with stoudemire. if anything it was an act of attrition... you know, the kind of move a savvy chess player would make in the short run in order to take advantage of a rival in the longer run.

the nets roster is not the most convincing but the knicks roster looks like a mess right now.

Right and Joe Johnson make more than Melo...DWill who isn't a max player making 20 mil...DWill isn't a leader, can't carry you in stretches like Melo did last year towards the end of the season, Doesn't make player around him better, not a great defender for his size, Isn't a floor general like Paul...I'm dumbfounded by the hoopla over DWill...Prok is winning a chess match huh...He is paying Gerald Wallace 10 mil the next 4 year and paying Bopez 15 per who isn't better than Chandler at 13 mil per...

When D-Will was in Utah he was doing everything Melo was doing and then some. He's also responsible for disposing of Melo's Nuggets in the playoffs in a head-to-head.

Melo didn't lead us anywhere his first half year here because we were already a playoff team

Melo did a horrific job first half of last season...... took a jolt from Jeremy to salvage it

Melo did a decent job second half but how much credit does he get since the team changed coaches?

While Melo has been to the playoffs more yrs or consecutive yrs than Deron

Deron has been to the WCF as has Melo. He also got there before Melo

Deron has been to the Semis 3 times Melo only 1 time

So "BY THE NUMBERS" in Post Season edge goes to Deron based on head-to-head

If DWill was so great what happen to the Nets last year...Players get hurt like on the Knicks, did he carry his team???...No...He is a max PG..Does he make players better...NO...Utah had a very good team...Boozer was doing work...about 20 and 12..Okur..AK47..Milsap doing work...They weren't so reliant of Williams to "carry" them...Unfortunately for Melo, he was mostly the one and only offensive weapon until Billups came along...You saw waht he did towards the end of the season..Is Deron that type of player...No...

Inaccurate again as usual not surprising considering the suspect

While Deron deserves blame for his performance in Jersey he wasn't fully committed to that team and he got traded. It wasn't like he was forcing himself somewhere he wanted to be like Melo. But once again yep he did not deliver according to his rep last year.

Let's revisit Utah shall we?

2003-2004 42-40 barely missed the playoffs...No Deron

2004-2005 26-56 missed the playoffs by a wide margin.....No Deron but they had Boozer(slightly more than half a season/AK47(half season)/Harpring/Memo

2005-2006 41-41 barely missed the playoffs...Deron's 1rst year

2006-2007 51-31 made the playoffs(4 seed) and made the WCF his 2nd year....Melo's 4rth yr and 4rth yr in a row of getting bounced in the 1rst round.....

And for the record the Jazz were like 11gms above .500 at one point before Sloan up and quit Williams was still there.

GOD BLESS AND GOOD NIGHT....Sheed approved

How can u be taken seriously when u argue about Melo's first round record given who the second best scorers/players on those teams were...Here are a list of the second best scorer on the teams Melo was on....2003-04 Melo 21, Andre Miller, Voshon Leonard both average 14 per...2004-05 Melo 21, KMart at 15 per, 2005-06 Melo 26, Ruben Patterson, Andre Miller avg better than 13 per...2006-07 Melo 29, Earl Boykins at 15 per, AI was traded to Denver that year, 2007-08 AI avg 26 and Melo 26 lost to the Lakers who went on to the Finals, 2008-09 They got Chauncey went to the WCF, 2009-10 Melo 28, Chauncey 20, lost to the Jazz, KMart hurt, rest of the roster????...If you going to be a fair arbiter, include all the facts of the case...Just don't spin the facts to suit your argument...U aren't going too far in the West against the Spurs and the Lakers with Voshon Leonard, KMart, Earl Boykins, Ruben Paterson, Andre Miller, playing the role of second fiddle or the second best player on the team...So now, do you really want to compare what DWill was working with versus Melo...

Another tired lame excuse from you.....

Denver as a team PPG averages were here we go more ownage

2003-2004 Nuggets were ranked 5th highest scoring team in the NBA

2004-2005 Nuggets were ranked 8th tied with Orlando in the NBA

2005-2006 Nuggets were ranked 5th highest scoring team in the NBA

2006-2007 Nuggets were ranked 3rd highest scoring team in the NBA

2007-2008 Nuggets were ranked 2nd highest scoring team in the NBA

2008-2009 Nuggets were ranked 6th highest scoring team in the NBA

2009-2010 Nuggets were ranked 3rd highest scoring team in the NBA

That's your problem though you only see the game from an offensive argument perspective and you pick and you choose when to apply it. In the meantime this is going to have to 3rd Degree Burn on you for a minute, I'll wait until you're wrapped and cooled off.

Ha...Defense win Championships...U talking to the guy that railed against the MDA hire and did so for 4 years due to his lack of emphasis on defense...I'm pointing out the help Melo had or lack there of...But u know that, thus the reason u take the conversation in another direction...U call it excuses to have Voshon Leonard and Earl Boykins as you second best players...Address that...KMart hurt for years...Excuses...

It amazes me how much these anti-Melo spin doctors fail to point out how inferior some of those Nuggs rosters were. In fact, with the exception of perhaps the Utah Jazz, the Nuggs had inferior talent compared to every team they lost to in the playoffs. But hey, I'm just making excuses

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

TheloniusMonk wrote:^^^^^Always funny when a person thinks they made a point when what they said meant absolutely nothing D Will is Marbury 2.0

+1

No difference in games with D Will and Marbury. Both don't make their teams better, they just put up great individual numbers, that's all. D Will needed talented teams in Utah to advance. D Will led a team with a healthy Kim K and Crash Wallace to 22 wins. Melo single-handedly willed a Lin-less and Amare-less squad into the playoffs for an entire month. Guys will trash Melo to the depths for supposedly getting D'Antoni to resign, but what Deron did to one of the most respected and hall of fame coaches in Jerry Sloan is 10 times more despicable.

How many seasons did Deron Play with Sloan? Melo with MDA about 50 games?

I don't think Melo ever laid a hand on any coach on any level. Deron almost beat the shyt out of Sloan. Good argument Nalod.

you a spree fan also?

I read up on the "feud" and it was written some thought it "would come to blows", bit it did not.

Sloan is a big dude, Im not sure who wins BTW? Good argument? Thanks!

Who wasn't a Spree fan if you were a Knick fan? Doesn't excuse the PJ Carlessimo choke or the other character issues. Don't make me laugh with the who would win between Sloan vs Deron scenario. Deron in his physical prime vs Jerry Sloan nearing 70 before they had to be restrained...you're losing your touch Nalod.

I love when you two quarrel. It's just so... cute.

Now you know Nalod has obviously not lost the touch when he gets you to think "Deron wins" (even subliminally) on any level.
I doubt there are facepainters over at ultimateN*yets.com that have the inner black/white love down anywhere close to Uncle Nal.

And Spree will always be on my favorite all-time Knicks starting 5. Wish he could've hit that jumper at the end of game 5, or gone for the tomahawk dunk right in the face of the Tonio towers. Choking an idiot like PJ actually evens out the other character issues.

ChuckBuck wrote:Now that we've totally veered off the path...let's redirect.

Mikhail Prokhorov, that arrogant billionaire Russian owner of the Nyets with the "Rusty" new arena fielding the all overpaid "Core 4".

Yea that guy. Phuck him.

Hopefully Deron tries to choke him.

The psychological fallout from that incident would be absolutely priceless....

Nalod wrote:

Mark Cuban hasn't been a happy camper this past summer and rightfully so. After losing out on Deron Williams when he decided to go back to the Nets instead of joining his hometown team, the Dallas Mavericks, Cuban took it to the Nets owner Mikhail Prokhorov whenever he could.

In what could be Cuban's most recent jab at the Russian billionaire, it seems as though the Mavs owner has bought the rights to the domain name of Nets.com. Across the middle of the page, the site has a message reading

"Looking for the New Jersey Nets? Looking for the Brooklyn Nets? They're not here...but they SHOULD be!

After all, there's just one team: The Nets!"

In the lower left corner, there's a picture of Mark Cuban sticking his tongue out. Wonder who that's for? Under that image, you'll see a copyright symbol next to the name of David Yellen. A quick Google search will show you that Mr. Yellen has snapped many pics of Cuban in the past. But wait, that isn't the best part.

On the bottom of the page, there is a message in Russian, which was probably meant for Prokhorov, and it reads, more or less:

"Michael, have you noticed? Vilena wondered..."

As you probably already know, Michael is referencing Mikhail while the Vilena part is a reference to a Russian prostitute. Now, what you may not know is that back in January 2007, Prokhorov was arrested on suspicion of arranging prostitutes for his guests. Even though the billionaire was cleared of the charge and the case was dismissed two years later, it looks like Cuban is trying to rehash some old moments.

RELATED: How the Brooklyn Nets Didn't Botch Their Big Move to New York

That's pretty awesome by Cuban!

http://nets.com/

That prostitute story is pretty great of Prokhorov. All Dolan does is arrange Interns!

Nalod wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

TheloniusMonk wrote:^^^^^Always funny when a person thinks they made a point when what they said meant absolutely nothing D Will is Marbury 2.0

+1

No difference in games with D Will and Marbury. Both don't make their teams better, they just put up great individual numbers, that's all. D Will needed talented teams in Utah to advance. D Will led a team with a healthy Kim K and Crash Wallace to 22 wins. Melo single-handedly willed a Lin-less and Amare-less squad into the playoffs for an entire month. Guys will trash Melo to the depths for supposedly getting D'Antoni to resign, but what Deron did to one of the most respected and hall of fame coaches in Jerry Sloan is 10 times more despicable.

How many seasons did Deron Play with Sloan? Melo with MDA about 50 games?

I don't think Melo had a clue D'Ant was going to resign and I don't think he knew there were issues in their relationship. I think Melo looked at Mike like he was casual, low key and didn't sweat anything. I think a lot of the olympians felt that way about Mike. I think Mike really did sweat things but struggled to communicate to his players. I don't think you can discount Mike's rigidity or stubborn commitment to his style of ball. Things weren't working again for Mike and the new gm wasn't going to trade his problems away.

Thats your take? Really? You know how the olympians "felt" about Mike?

I'll give you my take:

Mike is a stubborn dick as many coaches are. He has his style which is why they hired him. He ain't no Phil Jax but phil would not leave the triangle and if Jordan fought him on it Pjax would have been fired. Larry brown was stubborn. Most Good/great coaches are. I think MDA asking for Melo to be traded was his way of saying it won't work and one of us has to go. I would imagine he knew the answer but you don't just up and quit without trying. Donnie walked out after the trade and MDA knew he could not make it work. Dolan changed direction on him. He owns the team and paid MDA very nice. Linsanity was the last gasp and it did work, but once Melo returned.

MDA's job on the olympics was to coach the offense. Can't say he did a masterful job as the talent was superior. Durant and Melo shooting as they did was great playing.

I don't know if MDA is a championship quality coach but its safe to say he is going to play his brand of ball and needs players who fill those roles. MElo was not one of them. Melo admits to not playing all out on defense for MDA. Woodson is a good coach and Melo for many reasons has to play for him. Besides, he is featured on offense so he has no reason to reject him.

As far as MElo having a clue? I would imagine he thought he'd ride the season out. Melo is a promoted big star in this town, he has a lot to prove this season.

We'll watch the games and find out if he fills the role!

Another thread gone the way of Melo vs who ever.

If Deron tries to fight Avery, Prokhorov will have him dangled by his ankles via helicopter over Sheepshead Bay! Or maybe it will be Avery dangled?

I'd almost say Deron and Melo were both dicks to their former coaches. Utah had pretty good success with Sloan and Deron together.

Another thread gone the way of Melo love and all things Melo.

I think we were talking about Prokhorov vs. Dolan and another deflection to melo comes up. Its not Melo vs MDA, its how many coaches we have had in the last 11 years that is the problem.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Nalod wrote:I think it was already on the board.

The Knicks vs Nets rivalry?

Its not real until they are both playoff teams.