GustavBahler wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:GustavBahler wrote:mrKnickShot wrote:
I don't know or care why Isiah wanted CP3, my point is that the statement of "this is a guards league" is true. And, that getting Tyson which might have been a good move certainly hampered our ability to get cp3.
Wasn't this around the time that CP3 was having knee issues? I can't remember the timeline.
Thats possible. I just believe that signing Tyson to 14.5 million and losing the amnesty locked us out of any opportunity to amnesty Amare if he broke down and/or to sign one of the top FA's such as Deron (who has not impressed me on the nets), Howard, or CP3.
That does not mean that it was the wrong move but it would have given me pause.
Seeing how they would not pay the extra money for Lin makes me believe that the new "fiscally responsible Dolan 
" would never have amnestied Amare and eaten 40-60 million.
A team can possibly win without top All Star guards but history shows that it is very unlikely. Of the recent years, only Dallas has done this, though they were much better at the guard position then we are.
After the signing of Chandler, how the heck did they think that we could actually we decent with TD and Landry as our guards? Lin was nowhere on anyone's radar and Shump was an unproven rookie who is/was not much of an offensive player.
I believe its still too soon to tell if they made the right call as far as Stat goes. This season should settle that. The thing is if they had Amnestied Stat instead of Billups they would have lost not one but two starters the next season because Chauncey was out the following year and they didn't know what he would be like after a year off. That might have been part of their reasoning. Stat was just one season removed from his near MVP season. I'm pretty sure after last season they were thinking the same thing you were about using the Amnesty on Stat. If he plays close to how he did before his decline, it might end up being the right move, guess we will find out soon enough.
The way the rest of the league kept abusing our defense and having a coach who wasn't known for making defense as the cornerstone of his system, they probably figured that they had to do something to shore up the front court. I agree 100 percent for the need to have a top tier PG to seriously contend. We don't have that now but maybe Woodson running the point by committee so to speak with Kidd off the bench and Prigioni as well might be good enough to make some waves.
You're right it was a big risk handing the keys to TD. This team had so many holes to fill, they were rolling the dice no matter how they went. They weren't going to fix in one fell swoop. It was a crazy couple of seasons, I think this season is going to settle these questions once and for all.
Good take.
I don't know if it was the right move or not though time will tell. This season will tell us a lot. If Amare sux, then the Tyson signing killed us. If Amare is solid then it was probably a good move. It is all about Amare.
If they did not amnesty CB and sign Tyson and amnestied Amare this summer (would have been a balsy gamble), then they would have wiped 34 million off the books. The only big contract we would have had would have been Melo. Again, I don't think based on the Lin situation that Dolan would have had the stones to do that. And again, if Amare comes out this year and has a solid season, this argument is null and void.
And as you said, if the reason for signing Tyson was to be competitive right away, that was not possible with the guards that we had.
Like I said, they had so many holes to fill, no matter what route they went it was going to leave a hole somewhere else, in this case at PG. With D'Antoni, you figure that the offense would be there, but the defense wasn't for the most part and that was probably behind their decision. Its also why Woodson was hired as an asst.
We also gave MDA no PG which is the most essential part of his offense so in essence, we did set him up to fall on his face.
But it is true - they needed to choose between two evils. No PG, or no defense. Either way was a lose lose and thats why I would have waited it out.
I don't believe anyone thought that TD was going to crater the way he did, that was a collapse of epic proportions. MDA also has to take his share of the blame for not doing a better job of making the most of the talent he had. Trying to turn Melo into a glorified role player didn't help. He also had issues that were beyond his control so its not all on him.
MDA certainly gets blame however, read any article post the Tyson signing and everyone knew that TD was the glaring issue. He did play even worse than expected but he looked pretty bad finishing off the prior season.
This all proves that it is no picnic being a GM 
as brilliant as we all think we are ...
I agree, no one was thinking "With TD at point we're ready to win a championship". At some point the PG situation was going to have to be addressed. You're right its not easy being GM of the Knicks, especially with you know who owning the team. 
What I also found interesting was that after a championship, Dallas/Cuban elected to not re-sign Tyson so that he could make a run at Deron. And Deron IMHO is far from CP3.
Tyson had one offer that I knew of (GS) at non max money.
CP3 would be a dream of all 30 teams at max money if they had the space.
Anyway, its irrelevant since there was no guarantee that we would/could have gotten him. We could have gotten shutout just like we were with Lebron, Wade ... we got Amare who had no other offers other than 60 million from PHX.
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