Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Nalod wrote:

foosballnick wrote:If the Dodgers came back to Brooklyn, I suspect you would be peddling them on Mets boards.

I consider myself a very level headed fan when it comes for the teams I root for. The Nets appear to have a good upper end of their roster. However, they seem to have quite a few questions beyond that. King and Proko are every bit as guilty of Starphucking as Dolan. They took all the picks and young core assembled by Thorne, and traded them away to bring back high priced "B" stars and below.

It's ok that you feel the Nets are being assessed unfairly. What is not ok is that you do not or pretend to not know why. This is a Knicks board, full of Knicks fans, most of whom either do not like or do not care about the Nets. Why do you keep trying to pretend that there should be level headed discussion about the Nets on UltimateKNICKS.

"Having a level headed discussion on "Ultimateknicks.com" is not a frequent possibility of late.

The art of the argument is a priority for many now. No real issues just accusations and the competitive nature to win the conversations. "

Add a "Rain Man" or two and it gets old.

Time to jump out of the vortex for a while.

Maybe I'll just chill out and jerk off to the photos of the new Barkley arena!

IM looking forward to a weekend where I can see both a game in Brooklyn and MSG!

Maybe I'll wait a year so I can see the Redone MSG roof and Dolans bridge.

That really captures what's gone wrong here. You post your thoughts and there's a bunch of people who will analyze every line to death, spin things out of context convince themselves that "You" are the problem and proceed to muck up the entire thread. You really can't discuss anything with a bunch of trolls questioning your patriotism every half second. This board is fast becoming a repository of mentally retarded obsessive compulsive morons.

But please keep posting for the rest of us.

When have you ever discussed anything? All you do is bash, call people trolls, and then move on to the personal insults as you are doing here. And you have the nerve to condemn posters who actually read others posts and take the time to break down what they are saying and respond in a logical manner.

Insults? Yes. Personal? No. -don't take anything I post personally, or seriously. I certainly don't.

I don't think you have earned the right to ask people when they have discussed anything relevant because you haven't been here long enough to know who discussed what. Your posts are arrogant, devoid of substance and without any evidence of any original thinking on any topic.

Now Mr. Knickshot posts the same type of crap often, but at other times he posts original thoughts and ideas. So i engage him in conversation from time to time. I don't post much but I do read, and nothing you have posted has ever appealed to me as original material. You just repeat what others say. It feels hollow.

And yes I grow tired of reading people who have nothing to say, and I bitch about it. So sue me.

Maybe if you read what you posted and took it a bit more seriously, you would realize that you come across as very inflammatory. And I've been here about two years as a member, and another year prior to that just reading the site......so not sure what you mean by "earning the right" to post or understanding things here. My guess is that you've never even read what I've posted, but then again, how could someone with a second grade reading level and with an ID sounding out "Low IQ"..... who can not even get his facts straight and who doesn't even realize when he is dishing out personal insults be expected to have any reasonable or rational discourse.

I've read the posts by both of you and think you (Foos) are the one who's being inflammatory.

Since when are you the unbiased arbitrator?

Gimme a break!!

Second - If you took the time to read the exchange....and all you have to do is scroll up on this page to do so. You will find that my discussion was with Nalod. Low IQ interjected, and referred to me as part of a group of posters that are "mentally retarded obsessive compulsive morons". If that's not inflammatory fighting words, not sure what is.

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Nalod wrote:

foosballnick wrote:If the Dodgers came back to Brooklyn, I suspect you would be peddling them on Mets boards.

I consider myself a very level headed fan when it comes for the teams I root for. The Nets appear to have a good upper end of their roster. However, they seem to have quite a few questions beyond that. King and Proko are every bit as guilty of Starphucking as Dolan. They took all the picks and young core assembled by Thorne, and traded them away to bring back high priced "B" stars and below.

It's ok that you feel the Nets are being assessed unfairly. What is not ok is that you do not or pretend to not know why. This is a Knicks board, full of Knicks fans, most of whom either do not like or do not care about the Nets. Why do you keep trying to pretend that there should be level headed discussion about the Nets on UltimateKNICKS.

"Having a level headed discussion on "Ultimateknicks.com" is not a frequent possibility of late.

The art of the argument is a priority for many now. No real issues just accusations and the competitive nature to win the conversations. "

Add a "Rain Man" or two and it gets old.

Time to jump out of the vortex for a while.

Maybe I'll just chill out and jerk off to the photos of the new Barkley arena!

IM looking forward to a weekend where I can see both a game in Brooklyn and MSG!

Maybe I'll wait a year so I can see the Redone MSG roof and Dolans bridge.

That really captures what's gone wrong here. You post your thoughts and there's a bunch of people who will analyze every line to death, spin things out of context convince themselves that "You" are the problem and proceed to muck up the entire thread. You really can't discuss anything with a bunch of trolls questioning your patriotism every half second. This board is fast becoming a repository of mentally retarded obsessive compulsive morons.

But please keep posting for the rest of us.

When have you ever discussed anything? All you do is bash, call people trolls, and then move on to the personal insults as you are doing here. And you have the nerve to condemn posters who actually read others posts and take the time to break down what they are saying and respond in a logical manner.

Insults? Yes. Personal? No. -don't take anything I post personally, or seriously. I certainly don't.

I don't think you have earned the right to ask people when they have discussed anything relevant because you haven't been here long enough to know who discussed what. Your posts are arrogant, devoid of substance and without any evidence of any original thinking on any topic.

Now Mr. Knickshot posts the same type of crap often, but at other times he posts original thoughts and ideas. So i engage him in conversation from time to time. I don't post much but I do read, and nothing you have posted has ever appealed to me as original material. You just repeat what others say. It feels hollow.

And yes I grow tired of reading people who have nothing to say, and I bitch about it. So sue me.

Maybe if you read what you posted and took it a bit more seriously, you would realize that you come across as very inflammatory. And I've been here about two years as a member, and another year prior to that just reading the site......so not sure what you mean by "earning the right" to post or understanding things here. My guess is that you've never even read what I've posted, but then again, how could someone with a second grade reading level and with an ID sounding out "Low IQ"..... who can not even get his facts straight and who doesn't even realize when he is dishing out personal insults be expected to have any reasonable or rational discourse.

I've read the posts by both of you and think you (Foos) are the one who's being inflammatory.

Since when are you the unbiased arbitrator?

Gimme a break!!

I don't make self-declarations of perfect objectivity and would not take seriously anyone who did. I simply stated my view. If you think only people with perfect objectivity should be allowed to express their views, maybe you can direct everyone to the appropriate objectivity test.

You attempted to display your view from a position of objectivity. You failed miserably in your view, position and rebuttal.

"Hey I am a third party and therefore objective and I thing x is wrong"

Nice going.

Bonn1997 wrote:

You attempted to display your view from a position of objectivity.

No

"I've read the posts by both of you and think you (Foos) are the one who's being inflammatory."

Arbitrator / Self Proclaimed Judge? Or, random brain farting?

Bonn1997 wrote:See points 2 to 4 if you want my view here:
http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=42692
Notions of objectivity are just a distraction. Who won't declare himself objective?

Does not at all clear up your moment of self proclaimed arbitration

Its ok - I as an outsider to that argument believe that you were 100 percent wrong.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:See points 2 to 4 if you want my view here:
http://ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=42692
Notions of objectivity are just a distraction. Who won't declare himself objective?

Does not at all clear up your moment of my misperception of your self proclaimed arbitration

Its ok - I as an outsider to that argument believe that you were 100 percent wrong.

foosballnick wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Nalod wrote:

foosballnick wrote:If the Dodgers came back to Brooklyn, I suspect you would be peddling them on Mets boards.

I consider myself a very level headed fan when it comes for the teams I root for. The Nets appear to have a good upper end of their roster. However, they seem to have quite a few questions beyond that. King and Proko are every bit as guilty of Starphucking as Dolan. They took all the picks and young core assembled by Thorne, and traded them away to bring back high priced "B" stars and below.

It's ok that you feel the Nets are being assessed unfairly. What is not ok is that you do not or pretend to not know why. This is a Knicks board, full of Knicks fans, most of whom either do not like or do not care about the Nets. Why do you keep trying to pretend that there should be level headed discussion about the Nets on UltimateKNICKS.

"Having a level headed discussion on "Ultimateknicks.com" is not a frequent possibility of late.

The art of the argument is a priority for many now. No real issues just accusations and the competitive nature to win the conversations. "

Add a "Rain Man" or two and it gets old.

Time to jump out of the vortex for a while.

Maybe I'll just chill out and jerk off to the photos of the new Barkley arena!

IM looking forward to a weekend where I can see both a game in Brooklyn and MSG!

Maybe I'll wait a year so I can see the Redone MSG roof and Dolans bridge.

That really captures what's gone wrong here. You post your thoughts and there's a bunch of people who will analyze every line to death, spin things out of context convince themselves that "You" are the problem and proceed to muck up the entire thread. You really can't discuss anything with a bunch of trolls questioning your patriotism every half second. This board is fast becoming a repository of mentally retarded obsessive compulsive morons.

But please keep posting for the rest of us.

When have you ever discussed anything? All you do is bash, call people trolls, and then move on to the personal insults as you are doing here. And you have the nerve to condemn posters who actually read others posts and take the time to break down what they are saying and respond in a logical manner.

Insults? Yes. Personal? No. -don't take anything I post personally, or seriously. I certainly don't.

I don't think you have earned the right to ask people when they have discussed anything relevant because you haven't been here long enough to know who discussed what. Your posts are arrogant, devoid of substance and without any evidence of any original thinking on any topic.

Now Mr. Knickshot posts the same type of crap often, but at other times he posts original thoughts and ideas. So i engage him in conversation from time to time. I don't post much but I do read, and nothing you have posted has ever appealed to me as original material. You just repeat what others say. It feels hollow.

And yes I grow tired of reading people who have nothing to say, and I bitch about it. So sue me.

Maybe if you read what you posted and took it a bit more seriously, you would realize that you come across as very inflammatory. And I've been here about two years as a member, and another year prior to that just reading the site......so not sure what you mean by "earning the right" to post or understanding things here. My guess is that you've never even read what I've posted, but then again, how could someone with a second grade reading level and with an ID sounding out "Low IQ"..... who can not even get his facts straight and who doesn't even realize when he is dishing out personal insults be expected to have any reasonable or rational discourse.

I accept the criticism that my posts can be seen as inflamatory. I hope you also understand that you just did every single thing that you accused me of? So please save the "holier than thou" for someone who cares. If you telling Nalod this is a KNICKS board is what you mean by being rational and logical then I can assure you Nalod knows that and doesn't need you to point it out to him and three years of reading this forum should have clued you in. But when you do that and keep doing it over and over again it shows your inability to see anyone but your own point of view.

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

You attempted to display your view from a position of objectivity.

No

When you interject with a judgement into a forum exchange that you are not part of with a comment such as "from my view........". You are establishing an objective third party tone.

Further, you have not responded to my rebuttal, so that makes your so called judgement appear to be rather weak, as you've not brought any examples etc to the table. But quite honestly, it doesn't really matter so don't bother. As with most of your debated points, You'll most likely come up with some shakey reasoning supporting by stats that don't mean much....and it will be a waste of all of our time.

I was expressing my view based on the entirety of your and loweycue's posting not any one or two replies. You barely ever post here but when you do, it's always trying to police the forum.

This comment is not rooted in fact either, so it gives you even less credibility.....for example, unless you consider "policing the board" the debate I had with you on the use of Sabremetrics. I dare you to prove that "all" of my posts rare "always trying to police the forum". If you can't then please try not to make very false accusations against me.

I do admit to challenging Nalod on his pro-Nets threads, as they seem at times to be moree propaganda then anything. If you consider that policing, than there are more than 50% or of the posters here who have much of the same problem. Perhaps it is that posters like you and LowIQ who find it very difficult to be challenged on opinions. So when another poster is persistent during a debate, you default to the board police defense.

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

You attempted to display your view from a position of objectivity.

No

When you interject with a judgement into a forum exchange that you are not part of with a comment such as "from my view........". You are establishing an objective third party tone.

Further, you have not responded to my rebuttal, so that makes your so called judgement appear to be rather weak, as you've not brought any examples etc to the table. But quite honestly, it doesn't really matter so don't bother. As with most of your debated points, You'll most likely come up with some shakey reasoning supporting by stats that don't mean much....and it will be a waste of all of our time.

I was expressing my view based on the entirety of your and loweycue's posting not any one or two replies. You barely ever post here but when you do, it's always trying to police the forum.

This comment is not rooted in fact either, so it gives you even less credibility.....for example, unless you consider "policing the board" the debate I had with you on the use of Sabremetrics. I dare you to prove that "all" of my posts rare "always trying to police the forum". If you can't then please try not to make very false accusations against me.

I do admit to challenging Nalod on his pro-Nets threads, as they seem at times to be moree propaganda then anything. If you consider that policing, than there are more than 50% or of the posters here who have much of the same problem. Perhaps it is that posters like you and LowIQ who find it very difficult to be challenged on opinions. So when another poster is persistent during a debate, you default to the board police defense.

Obviously my comment was an exaggeration.
I don't remember our discussion about sabermetrics, though. Do you have a link to it?

Sorry, wrong discussion. My sabremetrics comments we're in the Melo/Olympic thread and one of the Lin from a basketball perspective thread. You and I debated Dolan and his ability to come back from a decade of losing. In retrospect, don't really think many of my posts have been policing the board except with Nalod for the Nets discussion. But many other posters seem to have issue with Nets discussion as well.

foosballnick wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Nalod wrote:

foosballnick wrote:If the Dodgers came back to Brooklyn, I suspect you would be peddling them on Mets boards.

I consider myself a very level headed fan when it comes for the teams I root for. The Nets appear to have a good upper end of their roster. However, they seem to have quite a few questions beyond that. King and Proko are every bit as guilty of Starphucking as Dolan. They took all the picks and young core assembled by Thorne, and traded them away to bring back high priced "B" stars and below.

It's ok that you feel the Nets are being assessed unfairly. What is not ok is that you do not or pretend to not know why. This is a Knicks board, full of Knicks fans, most of whom either do not like or do not care about the Nets. Why do you keep trying to pretend that there should be level headed discussion about the Nets on UltimateKNICKS.

"Having a level headed discussion on "Ultimateknicks.com" is not a frequent possibility of late.

The art of the argument is a priority for many now. No real issues just accusations and the competitive nature to win the conversations. "

Add a "Rain Man" or two and it gets old.

Time to jump out of the vortex for a while.

Maybe I'll just chill out and jerk off to the photos of the new Barkley arena!

IM looking forward to a weekend where I can see both a game in Brooklyn and MSG!

Maybe I'll wait a year so I can see the Redone MSG roof and Dolans bridge.

That really captures what's gone wrong here. You post your thoughts and there's a bunch of people who will analyze every line to death, spin things out of context convince themselves that "You" are the problem and proceed to muck up the entire thread. You really can't discuss anything with a bunch of trolls questioning your patriotism every half second. This board is fast becoming a repository of mentally retarded obsessive compulsive morons.

But please keep posting for the rest of us.

When have you ever discussed anything? All you do is bash, call people trolls, and then move on to the personal insults as you are doing here. And you have the nerve to condemn posters who actually read others posts and take the time to break down what they are saying and respond in a logical manner.

Insults? Yes. Personal? No. -don't take anything I post personally, or seriously. I certainly don't.

I don't think you have earned the right to ask people when they have discussed anything relevant because you haven't been here long enough to know who discussed what. Your posts are arrogant, devoid of substance and without any evidence of any original thinking on any topic.

Now Mr. Knickshot posts the same type of crap often, but at other times he posts original thoughts and ideas. So i engage him in conversation from time to time. I don't post much but I do read, and nothing you have posted has ever appealed to me as original material. You just repeat what others say. It feels hollow.

And yes I grow tired of reading people who have nothing to say, and I bitch about it. So sue me.

Maybe if you read what you posted and took it a bit more seriously, you would realize that you come across as very inflammatory. And I've been here about two years as a member, and another year prior to that just reading the site......so not sure what you mean by "earning the right" to post or understanding things here. My guess is that you've never even read what I've posted, but then again, how could someone with a second grade reading level and with an ID sounding out "Low IQ"..... who can not even get his facts straight and who doesn't even realize when he is dishing out personal insults be expected to have any reasonable or rational discourse.

I accept the criticism that my posts can be seen as inflamatory. I hope you also understand that you just did every single thing that you accused me of? So please save the "holier than thou" for someone who cares. If you telling Nalod this is a KNICKS board is what you mean by being rational and logical then I can assure you Nalod knows that and doesn't need you to point it out to him and three years of reading this forum should have clued you in. But when you do that and keep doing it over and over again it shows your inability to see anyone but your own point of view.

I realize exactly what I did in my responses to you. When you interjected and used "mentally retarted etc.....".....how did you expect someone to respond? Let's stop the nonsense, I bear you no ill will, and was just a bit set off in response to your post. I apologize for anything I may have said that is or was inflammatory and will wipe the slate clean, hope you can do the same.

To explain my post to Nalod. I honestly do not care that he started a thread on the Nets. Perhaps my posts did not come across as I meant. What I was tring to convet and find fascinating is that Nalod and others get defensive and do not expect a negative reaction by other Knick loyal posters when someone starts a thread or multiple threads regarding the positive aspects of a cross town rival. If you guys want to talk the Nets, go ahead, but there will be some razzing and negative comments since this is a Knicks board.....that's mainly what I was trying to say.

My feelings were not hurt and there'sno need to apologize. If you stop policing other people's opinion and start expressing your own you will find people are far more receptive to what you have to say. All I am saying is that your posts have not expressed your own POV, so it looks like you only care about policing what others are saying. I am not sugesting that you can't challenge others, that is after all what we do in a forum. But what I have seen from you is a lack of an established position. I may have missed that, can't read everything, and you don't post often enough. So what I see is what I commented on. No hard feelings.

Nalod wrote:
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