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7/28/2012  1:45 PM
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knickscity wrote:When Melo was on the court with Lin, they were blowing teams out the building.

(once d'antoni was fired and melo started trying)... but overall i agree. i was really excited to see what the team could do with Lin and Melo over a full season.

that's a good argument not to bring Lin back then.

the knicks absolutely dominated the pacers two games in a row with Lin and Melo. Melo didn't score a lot, because it was pure 5 on 5 basketball.

two weeks later, lin is down, melo scores 39pts 10rebs against the pacers and the knicks lose ugly.

Knicks were better with Lin and Melo.

Melo didn't want to share the spotlight and especially didn't want to be nudged out of the spot light by Lin. Hence, despite all basketball logic, Lin is gone and it's Melo's team.

Let's see how far he can take the Knicks. History shows it will be the first round.


There is nothing to support whether Melo wanted to share the spotlight, as when playing team ball there is not spotlight on any single player.

When the team was healthy when Woodson took over, everyone contributed, and the results were ridiculous.

there was no who's better or spotlight, both guys got to sit most of the fourth quarters while their team mates kept piling it on.

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7/28/2012  1:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/28/2012  1:55 PM
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crzymdups wrote:
knickscity wrote:When Melo was on the court with Lin, they were blowing teams out the building.

(once d'antoni was fired and melo started trying)... but overall i agree. i was really excited to see what the team could do with Lin and Melo over a full season.

that's a good argument not to bring Lin back then.

the knicks absolutely dominated the pacers two games in a row with Lin and Melo. Melo didn't score a lot, because it was pure 5 on 5 basketball.

two weeks later, lin is down, melo scores 39pts 10rebs against the pacers and the knicks lose ugly.

Knicks were better with Lin and Melo.

Melo didn't want to share the spotlight and especially didn't want to be nudged out of the spot light by Lin. Hence, despite all basketball logic, Lin is gone and it's Melo's team.

Let's see how far he can take the Knicks. History shows it will be the first round.


There is nothing to support whether Melo wanted to share the spotlight, as when playing team ball there is not spotlight on any single player.

When the team was healthy when Woodson took over, everyone contributed, and the results were ridiculous.

there was no who's better or spotlight, both guys got to sit most of the fourth quarters while their team mates kept piling it on.

There are reports in the NY Times, ESPN, CBS and Yahoo saying Melo didn't want to share the spot light. I can dig up links if you like. You can find a few if you google "Melo didn't want to share the spotlight"

Hey, I just think the Knicks could have seriously challenged the Heat with Lin, Melo, Tyson, Shump, Kidd, Amar'e, Camby, Novak, JR, Fields.

They have a nice team, but it's missing the special element Lin brought to the team that could have made their offense unpredictable and made their defense play better together and their team play better together.

Felton is a good kid. He's no Lin. I'm sure the regular season will be over .500, but I think it was a gigantic missed opportunity and it had nothing to do with money.

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7/28/2012  2:01 PM
crzymdups wrote:
knickscity wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
knickscity wrote:When Melo was on the court with Lin, they were blowing teams out the building.

(once d'antoni was fired and melo started trying)... but overall i agree. i was really excited to see what the team could do with Lin and Melo over a full season.

that's a good argument not to bring Lin back then.

the knicks absolutely dominated the pacers two games in a row with Lin and Melo. Melo didn't score a lot, because it was pure 5 on 5 basketball.

two weeks later, lin is down, melo scores 39pts 10rebs against the pacers and the knicks lose ugly.

Knicks were better with Lin and Melo.

Melo didn't want to share the spotlight and especially didn't want to be nudged out of the spot light by Lin. Hence, despite all basketball logic, Lin is gone and it's Melo's team.

Let's see how far he can take the Knicks. History shows it will be the first round.


There is nothing to support whether Melo wanted to share the spotlight, as when playing team ball there is not spotlight on any single player.

When the team was healthy when Woodson took over, everyone contributed, and the results were ridiculous.

there was no who's better or spotlight, both guys got to sit most of the fourth quarters while their team mates kept piling it on.

There are reports in the NY Times, ESPN, CBS and Yahoo saying Melo didn't want to share the spot light. I can dig up links if you like. You can find a few if you google "Melo didn't want to share the spotlight"

Hey, I just think the Knicks could have seriously challenged the Heat with Lin, Melo, Tyson, Shump, Kidd, Amar'e, Camby, Novak, JR, Fields.

They have a nice team, but it's missing the special element Lin brought to the team that could have made their offense unpredictable and made their defense play better together and their team play better together.

Felton is a good kid. He's no Lin. I'm sure the regular season will be over .500, but I think it was a gigantic missed opportunity and it had nothing to do with money.

Reports are speculation. The Knicks can still challenge the Heat.

Lin has a total of 25 starts. Felton has over 400. How about Lin proves he's better than Felton?

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7/28/2012  2:07 PM
crzymdups wrote:
knickscity wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
knickscity wrote:When Melo was on the court with Lin, they were blowing teams out the building.

(once d'antoni was fired and melo started trying)... but overall i agree. i was really excited to see what the team could do with Lin and Melo over a full season.

that's a good argument not to bring Lin back then.

the knicks absolutely dominated the pacers two games in a row with Lin and Melo. Melo didn't score a lot, because it was pure 5 on 5 basketball.

two weeks later, lin is down, melo scores 39pts 10rebs against the pacers and the knicks lose ugly.

Knicks were better with Lin and Melo.

Melo didn't want to share the spotlight and especially didn't want to be nudged out of the spot light by Lin. Hence, despite all basketball logic, Lin is gone and it's Melo's team.

Let's see how far he can take the Knicks. History shows it will be the first round.


There is nothing to support whether Melo wanted to share the spotlight, as when playing team ball there is not spotlight on any single player.

When the team was healthy when Woodson took over, everyone contributed, and the results were ridiculous.

there was no who's better or spotlight, both guys got to sit most of the fourth quarters while their team mates kept piling it on.

There are reports in the NY Times, ESPN, CBS and Yahoo saying Melo didn't want to share the spot light. I can dig up links if you like. You can find a few if you google "Melo didn't want to share the spotlight"

Hey, I just think the Knicks could have seriously challenged the Heat with Lin, Melo, Tyson, Shump, Kidd, Amar'e, Camby, Novak, JR, Fields.

They have a nice team, but it's missing the special element Lin brought to the team that could have made their offense unpredictable and made their defense play better together and their team play better together.

Felton is a good kid. He's no Lin. I'm sure the regular season will be over .500, but I think it was a gigantic missed opportunity and it had nothing to do with money.


so the proof is an article with no actual evidence?

but since there are some that believe everything, then it was best for the Knicks to let lin go.

I'd rather a less talented team, than one filled with distraction

But anyway, this team can still do work, if they truly play as one.

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7/28/2012  6:29 PM
knickscity wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
knickscity wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
knickscity wrote:When Melo was on the court with Lin, they were blowing teams out the building.

(once d'antoni was fired and melo started trying)... but overall i agree. i was really excited to see what the team could do with Lin and Melo over a full season.

that's a good argument not to bring Lin back then.

the knicks absolutely dominated the pacers two games in a row with Lin and Melo. Melo didn't score a lot, because it was pure 5 on 5 basketball.

two weeks later, lin is down, melo scores 39pts 10rebs against the pacers and the knicks lose ugly.

Knicks were better with Lin and Melo.

Melo didn't want to share the spotlight and especially didn't want to be nudged out of the spot light by Lin. Hence, despite all basketball logic, Lin is gone and it's Melo's team.

Let's see how far he can take the Knicks. History shows it will be the first round.


There is nothing to support whether Melo wanted to share the spotlight, as when playing team ball there is not spotlight on any single player.

When the team was healthy when Woodson took over, everyone contributed, and the results were ridiculous.

there was no who's better or spotlight, both guys got to sit most of the fourth quarters while their team mates kept piling it on.

There are reports in the NY Times, ESPN, CBS and Yahoo saying Melo didn't want to share the spot light. I can dig up links if you like. You can find a few if you google "Melo didn't want to share the spotlight"

Hey, I just think the Knicks could have seriously challenged the Heat with Lin, Melo, Tyson, Shump, Kidd, Amar'e, Camby, Novak, JR, Fields.

They have a nice team, but it's missing the special element Lin brought to the team that could have made their offense unpredictable and made their defense play better together and their team play better together.

Felton is a good kid. He's no Lin. I'm sure the regular season will be over .500, but I think it was a gigantic missed opportunity and it had nothing to do with money.


so the proof is an article with no actual evidence?

but since there are some that believe everything, then it was best for the Knicks to let lin go.

I'd rather a less talented team, than one filled with distraction

But anyway, this team can still do work, if they truly play as one.

what's your idea of evidence? the reports all cite league sources. do you need a quote from carmelo anthony explaining how it all went down? you aren't gonna get it.

oh, wait, i found a quote!

"I am not a crook." - Richard Nixon. GUYS! It turns out Richard Nixon was wrongly impeached! LOOK AT THAT QUOTE! The rest is just made up fluff pieces!

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7/28/2012  6:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/28/2012  6:32 PM
CashMoney wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
knickscity wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
knickscity wrote:When Melo was on the court with Lin, they were blowing teams out the building.

(once d'antoni was fired and melo started trying)... but overall i agree. i was really excited to see what the team could do with Lin and Melo over a full season.

that's a good argument not to bring Lin back then.

the knicks absolutely dominated the pacers two games in a row with Lin and Melo. Melo didn't score a lot, because it was pure 5 on 5 basketball.

two weeks later, lin is down, melo scores 39pts 10rebs against the pacers and the knicks lose ugly.

Knicks were better with Lin and Melo.

Melo didn't want to share the spotlight and especially didn't want to be nudged out of the spot light by Lin. Hence, despite all basketball logic, Lin is gone and it's Melo's team.

Let's see how far he can take the Knicks. History shows it will be the first round.


There is nothing to support whether Melo wanted to share the spotlight, as when playing team ball there is not spotlight on any single player.

When the team was healthy when Woodson took over, everyone contributed, and the results were ridiculous.

there was no who's better or spotlight, both guys got to sit most of the fourth quarters while their team mates kept piling it on.

There are reports in the NY Times, ESPN, CBS and Yahoo saying Melo didn't want to share the spot light. I can dig up links if you like. You can find a few if you google "Melo didn't want to share the spotlight"

Hey, I just think the Knicks could have seriously challenged the Heat with Lin, Melo, Tyson, Shump, Kidd, Amar'e, Camby, Novak, JR, Fields.

They have a nice team, but it's missing the special element Lin brought to the team that could have made their offense unpredictable and made their defense play better together and their team play better together.

Felton is a good kid. He's no Lin. I'm sure the regular season will be over .500, but I think it was a gigantic missed opportunity and it had nothing to do with money.

Reports are speculation. The Knicks can still challenge the Heat.

Lin has a total of 25 starts. Felton has over 400. How about Lin proves he's better than Felton?

Reporters and columnists in large part base their entire CAREER on their reputations. Why oh why would the MOST RESPECTED REPORTERS IN THE NBA risk their reputations on unfounded reports?

But, oh, no, MARC BERMAN has a soundbite from Melo refuting those reports! CASE CLOSED!

SMFH

Also, EXACTLY. Felton has over 400 starts and has proved nothing. Lin was far more highly sought after around the league than Felton this summer. I'm sorry you need to lie to yourself about that.

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7/28/2012  8:20 PM
crzymdups wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
knickscity wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
knickscity wrote:When Melo was on the court with Lin, they were blowing teams out the building.

(once d'antoni was fired and melo started trying)... but overall i agree. i was really excited to see what the team could do with Lin and Melo over a full season.

that's a good argument not to bring Lin back then.

the knicks absolutely dominated the pacers two games in a row with Lin and Melo. Melo didn't score a lot, because it was pure 5 on 5 basketball.

two weeks later, lin is down, melo scores 39pts 10rebs against the pacers and the knicks lose ugly.

Knicks were better with Lin and Melo.

Melo didn't want to share the spotlight and especially didn't want to be nudged out of the spot light by Lin. Hence, despite all basketball logic, Lin is gone and it's Melo's team.

Let's see how far he can take the Knicks. History shows it will be the first round.


There is nothing to support whether Melo wanted to share the spotlight, as when playing team ball there is not spotlight on any single player.

When the team was healthy when Woodson took over, everyone contributed, and the results were ridiculous.

there was no who's better or spotlight, both guys got to sit most of the fourth quarters while their team mates kept piling it on.

There are reports in the NY Times, ESPN, CBS and Yahoo saying Melo didn't want to share the spot light. I can dig up links if you like. You can find a few if you google "Melo didn't want to share the spotlight"

Hey, I just think the Knicks could have seriously challenged the Heat with Lin, Melo, Tyson, Shump, Kidd, Amar'e, Camby, Novak, JR, Fields.

They have a nice team, but it's missing the special element Lin brought to the team that could have made their offense unpredictable and made their defense play better together and their team play better together.

Felton is a good kid. He's no Lin. I'm sure the regular season will be over .500, but I think it was a gigantic missed opportunity and it had nothing to do with money.

Reports are speculation. The Knicks can still challenge the Heat.

Lin has a total of 25 starts. Felton has over 400. How about Lin proves he's better than Felton?

Reporters and columnists in large part base their entire CAREER on their reputations. Why oh why would the MOST RESPECTED REPORTERS IN THE NBA risk their reputations on unfounded reports?

But, oh, no, MARC BERMAN has a soundbite from Melo refuting those reports! CASE CLOSED!

SMFH

Also, EXACTLY. Felton has over 400 starts and has proved nothing. Lin was far more highly sought after around the league than Felton this summer. I'm sorry you need to lie to yourself about that.

Oh, so everyting a reporter/columnist writes is factual? Of course not, only if something is written defending Lin.

Felton has proved he can run an offense and play defense. He's also has a career going into his 9th season. We know what to expect from the guy.... 13 & 6 with a steal and around 2 turnovers a game. He also proved he can play outside of MDA's system.

Lin played well for 19 games and struggled under Woodson. That's a fact and your delusional if you don't think he has nothing to prove. Can he go left and run an offense without turning the ball over 4+ times a game. Can he hold his own against the best PG's in the league like CP3, Nash, Westbrook, etc. every night? Will he be able to defend those guys or will Houston have to switch up the D like the Knicks had to with Calderon?

Lin was so highly sought that he met with exactly 1 team. Felton could have received more money from other teams but he wanted to be here in NYC. Felton didn't want to talk to anyone this offseason other than the Knicks.

Sorry but Lin is no Felton until he PROVES otherwise. Amazing that so may people lose their damn minds over 19 freakin games. You would think that the Knicks let the second coming of Steve Nash walk away. Please..........

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7/28/2012  10:29 PM
JamesLin wrote:This post reminded me of something Dottie Sandusky just said. "he's not who they say he is."

Same philosophy, different target different sports

Pretty off base. You don't want to believe what Tyson and melo are saying. Also, Sandusky isn't about sports.

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JamesLin wrote:This post reminded me of something Dottie Sandusky just said. "he's not who they say he is."

Same philosophy, different target different sports

Pretty off base. You don't want to believe what Tyson and melo are saying. Also, Sandusky isn't about sports.

Sandusky was allowed to get away with what he did for years because of sports.

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7/28/2012  11:23 PM
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JamesLin wrote:This post reminded me of something Dottie Sandusky just said. "he's not who they say he is."

Same philosophy, different target different sports

Pretty off base. You don't want to believe what Tyson and melo are saying. Also, Sandusky isn't about sports.

Sandusky was allowed to get away with what he did for years because of sports.


If you are going to nit pick semantics and defend a post comparing Tyson/melo to Sandusky then i think you have gone off the deep end. You have posted here for a long time. A lot has happened with this team. I don't get the search for a scapegoat. Also, it is very apparent that lin's teammates liked him including melo. If you think Dolan and grunwald should have put the Knicks in a ridiculous/restrictive position with the cap be mad about that.
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7/28/2012  11:39 PM
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crzymdups wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
JamesLin wrote:This post reminded me of something Dottie Sandusky just said. "he's not who they say he is."

Same philosophy, different target different sports

Pretty off base. You don't want to believe what Tyson and melo are saying. Also, Sandusky isn't about sports.

Sandusky was allowed to get away with what he did for years because of sports.


If you are going to nit pick semantics and defend a post comparing Tyson/melo to Sandusky then i think you have gone off the deep end. You have posted here for a long time. A lot has happened with this team. I don't get the search for a scapegoat. Also, it is very apparent that lin's teammates liked him including melo. If you think Dolan and grunwald should have put the Knicks in a ridiculous/restrictive position with the cap be mad about that.

uh, what? i didn't say anything about tyson/melo. i said sandusky has everything to do with sports. that's why penn state was stripped of 13 years of wins.

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7/29/2012  12:08 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/29/2012  12:09 AM
You would think that the Knicks let the second coming of Steve Nash walk away. Please.......... (by CashMoney)

You know how people say that when you don't know your history, you will repeat it? Well the above is where you've got some illogical thinking. Argument is made that 19 games is not enough to know enough about a player -- then the argument is made to let the player go?? Well, I've made the point over and over and over and over and over again on these boards, that Dallas let Nash go because they didn't know that even Nash was NASH. When you don't know that even Nash is NASH, then how do you know whether someone is NASH or not? Well you don't, except most are not, and so one looks right most of the time when you say someone isn't NASH. But it doesn't come from any actual knowledge.

However, no one knows whether Lin is just a pretty good PG, vs whether he is the next NASH. No one knows, because again (and let me repeat myself), no one knew even that Nash is NASH. We are all dumbasses when it comes to the future -- the only difference is, some dumbasses know that they are, and some DUMBASSES don't even know that they are, and that makes it much worse.

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You would think that the Knicks let the second coming of Steve Nash walk away. Please.......... (by CashMoney)

You know how people say that when you don't know your history, you will repeat it? Well the above is where you've got some illogical thinking. Argument is made that 19 games is not enough to know enough about a player -- then the argument is made to let the player go?? Well, I've made the point over and over and over and over and over again on these boards, that Dallas let Nash go because they didn't know that even Nash was NASH. When you don't know that even Nash is NASH, then how do you know whether someone is NASH or not? Well you don't, except most are not, and so one looks right most of the time when you say someone isn't NASH. But it doesn't come from any actual knowledge.

However, no one knows whether Lin is just a pretty good PG, vs whether he is the next NASH. No one knows, because again (and let me repeat myself), no one knew even that Nash is NASH. We are all dumbasses when it comes to the future -- the only difference is, some dumbasses know that they are, and some DUMBASSES don't even know that they are, and that makes it much worse.

great post.

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7/29/2012  12:58 AM
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CrushAlot wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
JamesLin wrote:This post reminded me of something Dottie Sandusky just said. "he's not who they say he is."

Same philosophy, different target different sports

Pretty off base. You don't want to believe what Tyson and melo are saying. Also, Sandusky isn't about sports.

Sandusky was allowed to get away with what he did for years because of sports.


If you are going to nit pick semantics and defend a post comparing Tyson/melo to Sandusky then i think you have gone off the deep end. You have posted here for a long time. A lot has happened with this team. I don't get the search for a scapegoat. Also, it is very apparent that lin's teammates liked him including melo. If you think Dolan and grunwald should have put the Knicks in a ridiculous/restrictive position with the cap be mad about that.

uh, what? i didn't say anything about tyson/melo. i said sandusky has everything to do with sports. that's why penn state was stripped of 13 years of wins.

Did you read James lin's post in the context of the thread? Someone posted that Tyson said Carmelo always supported Lin and then James Lin posted the sandusky comment. The Lin situation has been explained based on the ew cba. The melo ridiculous comments meaning sss clear in context and was explained by responsible journalists. Lin went for the money and signed a contract that assured the Knicks could not resign him. not sure where the basis for the hate or conspiracy theory is coming from.

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7/29/2012  5:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/29/2012  12:27 PM
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http://www.hoopsworld.com/six-pack-ridiculous-reaction-to-melos-comment/


3. Ridiculous Reaction to Melo’s “Ridiculous Contract” comment
James Dolan isn’t the only one to come off looking poorly in this whole Linsanity mess – it wasn’t the media’s finest hour either. Earlier I alluded to how many in the media missed the point on the Linsanity decision. In addition, on a related note, I had to laugh at the reaction to Carmelo Anthony’s supposedly inflammatory remarks regarding whether or not the Knicks should/would match the Rockets’ offer sheet.

For those that may have missed it, when the exact specifications of the offer Lin received from Houston was made public, reporters rushed to Melo (who was in D.C. practicing with the Olympic Team) for his take on the topic. Per the AP, he was first asked if he could envision Lin returning to the Knicks next season. His response: ”At this point there’s a lot going on. I stay away from that part right now. I would love to see him back, but I think he has to do what’s best for him right now.”

Anthony was then reminded it’s up to the Knicks, not Lin, to decide whether he stays or goes. ”It’s not up to me,” Anthony said with a laugh. ”It’s up to the organization to say they want to match that ridiculous contract that’s out there.”

Now, having a front row seat for the contentious battle between Melo and the New York tabloids, I am always amused at the media’s ability to twist a quote to fit into a prefabricated construct. But, I must admit, even I was surprised to see this “offensive and insulting” comment used to portray Melo as vicious opponent of Lin returning to NYC.

The key here, for those aiming to paint Melo in as bad a light as possible, is to take the quote entirely out of context, i.e. completely ignore and disregard the fact that Anthony said 30 seconds earlier that he would “love” to see Lin return to New York. But that’s just the first step…

The next move is asserting that Melo was insinuating that Lin is a scrub who doesn’t deserve a major pay raise, when in fact the adjective “ridiculous” referred to the structure of the back-loaded contract, not whether or not the recipient was deserving of the sum total of $24.9 million.

Although it’s besides the point, if we are all going to be honest, the contract was relatively “ridiculous” and a bit bizarre. How many three-year contracts, in any walk of life, pay 150% more for the third year of service than the first two years of service combined? Wouldn’t any contract that included a so-called “poison pill” be deemed somewhat outlandish? Would even Daryl Morey argue this point?

Asked later for a clarification of what he actually meant, Melo responded: “It was ridiculous for them to do what they did, as far as throwing that out there and making it tougher on us to sign him back.” Melo added: “Ask Lin, he’ll tell you what a good relationship we have… I hope we get it done, man. I would love to see him back, honestly. I would definitely love to see him back.” (For the complete story, including full quotes, click here)

But that part of the story, which wouldn’t create nearly as many headlines or generate the same number of page views, was drastically under reported relative to the “ridiculous” attention the first quote received.

In the days that followed the initial comment, Melo was pounded publicly, some even going so far as to call him a racist because he suggested Asian players didn’t deserve that kind of payday. I mean, you can’t make this stuff up…

For a clear, concrete depiction of my point here, check out the Twitter timeline of Newsday’s reporter Rod Boone (@rodboone). Boone was on the scene that day standing next to Melo and was one of the first reporters to spread word or Anthony’s remarks. Examining Boone’s timeline a few days later, I was fascinated to find which quote got the most interest and attention.

Melo’s “ridiculous contract” quote was re-tweeted a total of 505 times. In contrast, Melo’s “I’d love to see him come back” quote was re-tweeted just 27 times. These two quotes were posted within minutes of each other. Shortly after the quotes went up, Boone explained: “To be clear, melo wasn’t taking a shot at Lin, he was taking a shot at Rockets for ridiculous $14.9 million balloon payment in Year 3.” That tweet was RT’ed just 22 times.

But the toothpaste was already out of the tube. It wasn’t going to get put back in neatly. Those with an agenda had heard all they needed to; they certainly weren’t going to let facts or the complete picture and the quotes in full context get in the way of what could be a story that would help sell newspapers and generate clicks.

Now, Melo isn’t completely blameless here either. He has been in New York long enough to understand that the media will twist comments as needed to manufacture controversy. Anthony’s lack of savvy when dealing with the New York tabloids is almost inconceivable. Somehow, he still hasn’t learned that a simple “no comment” might just be his best friend when talking with reporters. Melo has buried himself time and again by trying to be accommodating and saying what is on his mind. Carmelo needs to take a page out of Derek Jeter’s book and give the most boring answer possible. Discretion is often the better part of valor when dealing with headline writers thirsty for a back page tagline that will get passersby to cough up a few quarters for that day’s paper.

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7/29/2012  6:06 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/29/2012  6:32 AM
CashMoney wrote:
Oh, so everyting a reporter/columnist writes is factual? Of course not, only if something is written defending Lin.

Felton has proved he can run an offense and play defense. He's also has a career going into his 9th season. We know what to expect from the guy.... 13 & 6 with a steal and around 2 turnovers a game. He also proved he can play outside of MDA's system.

Lin played well for 19 games and struggled under Woodson. That's a fact and your delusional if you don't think he has nothing to prove. Can he go left and run an offense without turning the ball over 4+ times a game. Can he hold his own against the best PG's in the league like CP3, Nash, Westbrook, etc. every night? Will he be able to defend those guys or will Houston have to switch up the D like the Knicks had to with Calderon?

Lin was so highly sought that he met with exactly 1 team. Felton could have received more money from other teams but he wanted to be here in NYC. Felton didn't want to talk to anyone this offseason other than the Knicks.

Sorry but Lin is no Felton until he PROVES otherwise. Amazing that so may people lose their damn minds over 19 freakin games. You would think that the Knicks let the second coming of Steve Nash walk away. Please..........

I can't believe you are still comparing Felton to Lin. Felton has had 1 great season in the league and that was when he was playing under D'Antoni. His numbers fell off the last 10 games of that season anyway. I do like Felton, but no way do I pick him over Lin.

Why do you keep harping on Lin not being able to go left? He improved going left and was fine at it. He is what 24 and you are comparing him to someone 28? At the same age (24) Lin is better than Felton at everything.
Why do you keep talking about Lin's TO's. He had them down to around 5, which is fine considering his age, experience and aggressive style. Clearly he will continue to improve there - it was his first year in the league basically and defenses were really keying on the guy and he still played great.

I don't think Lin played bad under Woodson, but the dumping of the ball to Melo all the time pretty much kills his game. And that is not to say we need to dump the ball to Melo everytime.

Lin was playing great, not good, defense, until those 45 minute games took its toll on him. Don't forget Lin was hurt the last 12 games he played in - from Dallas game on.

Lin got 1 offer for a variety of reasons: 1 - We said we'd match anything 2 - the Luxury tax implications of that third year was a turn off to most teams 3 - How many teams needed him, in particular considering the previous, etc.

Lin is no Felton? You mean the guy who has underperformed and overeated all but one year in the league? Lin the guy who put up numbers as essentially a rookie?

Your argument would be more sound if you balanced it a bit better. It is so one sided and exclusionary that it is a bit too easy to see though.

EMS

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7/29/2012  6:40 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/29/2012  6:41 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
Oh, so everyting a reporter/columnist writes is factual? Of course not, only if something is written defending Lin.

Felton has proved he can run an offense and play defense. He's also has a career going into his 9th season. We know what to expect from the guy.... 13 & 6 with a steal and around 2 turnovers a game. He also proved he can play outside of MDA's system.

Lin played well for 19 games and struggled under Woodson. That's a fact and your delusional if you don't think he has nothing to prove. Can he go left and run an offense without turning the ball over 4+ times a game. Can he hold his own against the best PG's in the league like CP3, Nash, Westbrook, etc. every night? Will he be able to defend those guys or will Houston have to switch up the D like the Knicks had to with Calderon?

Lin was so highly sought that he met with exactly 1 team. Felton could have received more money from other teams but he wanted to be here in NYC. Felton didn't want to talk to anyone this offseason other than the Knicks.

Sorry but Lin is no Felton until he PROVES otherwise. Amazing that so may people lose their damn minds over 19 freakin games. You would think that the Knicks let the second coming of Steve Nash walk away. Please..........

I can't believe you are still comparing Felton to Lin. Felton has had 1 great season in the league and that was when he was playing under D'Antoni. His numbers fell off the last 10 games of that season anyway. I do like Felton, but no way do I pick him over Lin.

Why do you keep harping on Lin not being able to go left? He improved going left and was fine at it. He is what 24 and you are comparing him to someone 28? At the same age (24) Lin is better than Felton at everything.
Why do you keep talking about Lin's TO's. He had them down to around 5, which is fine considering his age, experience and aggressive style. Clearly he will continue to improve there - it was his first year in the league basically and defenses were really keying on the guy and he still played great.

I don't think Lin played bad under Woodson, but the dumping of the ball to Melo all the time pretty much kills his game. And that is not to say we need to dump the ball to Melo everytime.

Lin was playing great, not good, defense, until those 45 minute games took its toll on him. Don't forget Lin was hurt the last 12 games he played in - from Dallas game on.

Lin got 1 offer for a variety of reasons: 1 - We said we'd match anything 2 - the Luxury tax implications of that third year was a turn off to most teams 3 - How many teams needed him, in particular considering the previous, etc.

Lin is no Felton? You mean the guy who has underperformed and overeated all but one year in the league? Lin the guy who put up numbers as essentially a rookie?

Your argument would be more sound if you balanced it a bit better. It is so one sided and exclusionary that it is a bit too easy to see though.

EMS


Lin got one offer because that was the only team that wanted him, even the Knicks didn't which is why they courted Nash so hard, and please don't think Nash was gonna be the backup.

sometimes you have to let talent go, chemistry is better than a constant sideshow.

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7/29/2012  8:57 AM
knickscity wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
Oh, so everyting a reporter/columnist writes is factual? Of course not, only if something is written defending Lin.

Felton has proved he can run an offense and play defense. He's also has a career going into his 9th season. We know what to expect from the guy.... 13 & 6 with a steal and around 2 turnovers a game. He also proved he can play outside of MDA's system.

Lin played well for 19 games and struggled under Woodson. That's a fact and your delusional if you don't think he has nothing to prove. Can he go left and run an offense without turning the ball over 4+ times a game. Can he hold his own against the best PG's in the league like CP3, Nash, Westbrook, etc. every night? Will he be able to defend those guys or will Houston have to switch up the D like the Knicks had to with Calderon?

Lin was so highly sought that he met with exactly 1 team. Felton could have received more money from other teams but he wanted to be here in NYC. Felton didn't want to talk to anyone this offseason other than the Knicks.

Sorry but Lin is no Felton until he PROVES otherwise. Amazing that so may people lose their damn minds over 19 freakin games. You would think that the Knicks let the second coming of Steve Nash walk away. Please..........

I can't believe you are still comparing Felton to Lin. Felton has had 1 great season in the league and that was when he was playing under D'Antoni. His numbers fell off the last 10 games of that season anyway. I do like Felton, but no way do I pick him over Lin.

Why do you keep harping on Lin not being able to go left? He improved going left and was fine at it. He is what 24 and you are comparing him to someone 28? At the same age (24) Lin is better than Felton at everything.
Why do you keep talking about Lin's TO's. He had them down to around 5, which is fine considering his age, experience and aggressive style. Clearly he will continue to improve there - it was his first year in the league basically and defenses were really keying on the guy and he still played great.

I don't think Lin played bad under Woodson, but the dumping of the ball to Melo all the time pretty much kills his game. And that is not to say we need to dump the ball to Melo everytime.

Lin was playing great, not good, defense, until those 45 minute games took its toll on him. Don't forget Lin was hurt the last 12 games he played in - from Dallas game on.

Lin got 1 offer for a variety of reasons: 1 - We said we'd match anything 2 - the Luxury tax implications of that third year was a turn off to most teams 3 - How many teams needed him, in particular considering the previous, etc.

Lin is no Felton? You mean the guy who has underperformed and overeated all but one year in the league? Lin the guy who put up numbers as essentially a rookie?

Your argument would be more sound if you balanced it a bit better. It is so one sided and exclusionary that it is a bit too easy to see though.

EMS


Lin got one offer because that was the only team that wanted him, even the Knicks didn't which is why they courted Nash so hard, and please don't think Nash was gonna be the backup.

sometimes you have to let talent go, chemistry is better than a constant sideshow.

I agree management didn't want him. I think saying he is going to be the starter but your actions showing differently (trying for Nash) is a very dishonest way to run things.
I don't think you can say no other teams were interested in him. There are some pretty talented players out there that get few offers. Look at this last period - How many offers did Asik, Batum, our own Novak, Hibbert, etc. There is a looooong list of talented restricted FA's.

Chemistry? I think Lin brought the team together. We have worked with Melo playing as more of a team player for most of his time here and you bring up the one guy who immediately gelled the team? You call that a constant sideshow? Come on, name calling and exaggerations is no way to prove a point.

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7/29/2012  9:26 AM
I think the knicks wanted lin and Nash as they wanted Lin and Kidd. The market for Nash was higher than one could have thought and Nash wanted to be paid. If Nash wanted to be in NY he had to take less money.

Lin has a higher ceiling then Felton and perhaps will be great. Or not.

Knicks don't like to take risks. They don't mind paying for talent but like to do so with established names.

The riddle that is Lin will be settled over his contract. I think the knicks wanted him for 5mm per year.

Now we just wait it out for CP3 to force a sign and trade.

CP3 is where this is all heading.

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7/29/2012  9:55 AM
Nalod wrote:I think the knicks wanted lin and Nash as they wanted Lin and Kidd. The market for Nash was higher than one could have thought and Nash wanted to be paid. If Nash wanted to be in NY he had to take less money.

Lin has a higher ceiling then Felton and perhaps will be great. Or not.

Knicks don't like to take risks. They don't mind paying for talent but like to do so with established names.

The riddle that is Lin will be settled over his contract. I think the knicks wanted him for 5mm per year.

Now we just wait it out for CP3 to force a sign and trade.

CP3 is where this is all heading.

i don't disagree, but if they wanted him for $5M a year they could have offered him 5yrs at $5M per season on the first day of free agency.

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