mrKnickShot wrote:I was not talking about his best statistical season. I was talking about the seasonS that he feuded with PJax and won rings.

Kobe was a selfish prick just like Melo or worse (read Jax's book)

Its funny... you never read anything anyone says.

Ive been open and honest about what I dont like about Melo, and its simply this... I have no reason to ride the jock of a player who has done nothing for my team. Maybe you do, and chuck does also, and perhaps JRod and durzoblint. Maybe you see a guy with no playoff success, no personal achievements (MVP, scoring title, first team all NBA) and say to yourself that he's the one, he's the messiah, he's the chosen one.

They would have played "Im coming home" for Marbury also you know, but the song wasnt out then yet.

And one good month of basketball and a couple good shots isnt enough for me to toss the guy's salad as you do and clearly enjoy the flavor.

Your biggest attack on my thinking is I excuse Amare or anyother player, but Ive been clear about that also. Why do I like Amare? Because when every FA laughed at the KNicks he signed here, and he came with no other star here to lean on. He took on the challenge. He led the 4th qtr in scoring. He was the guy that pushed us from laughing stock to a playoff team. Does he have holes? sure. Defense suck? sure does. But he wasnt a one trick Nash following pony. He came here and showed he was a guy who could make a difference and he did. Thats my bias. Thats calling it like I saw it with Amare.

Im waiting for Melo to do something worth feeling good about

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I was not talking about his best statistical season. I was talking about the seasonS that he feuded with PJax and won rings.

Kobe was a selfish prick just like Melo or worse (read Jax's book)

no desire to read Jax book. Thanks.

Its funny... you never read anything anyone says.

Ive been open and honest about what I dont like about Melo, and its simply this... I have no reason to ride the jock of a player who has done nothing for my team. Maybe you do, and chuck does also, and perhaps JRod and durzoblint. Maybe you see a guy with no playoff success, no personal achievements (MVP, scoring title, first team all NBA) and say to yourself that he's the one, he's the messiah, he's the chosen one.

They would have played "Im coming home" for Marbury also you know, but the song wasnt out then yet.

And one good month of basketball and a couple good shots isnt enough for me to toss the guy's salad as you do and clearly enjoy the flavor.

Your biggest attack on my thinking is I excuse Amare or anyother player, but Ive been clear about that also. Why do I like Amare? Because when every FA laughed at the KNicks he signed here, and he came with no other star here to lean on. He took on the challenge. He led the 4th qtr in scoring. He was the guy that pushed us from laughing stock to a playoff team. Does he have holes? sure. Defense suck? sure does. But he wasnt a one trick Nash following pony. He came here and showed he was a guy who could make a difference and he did. Thats my bias. Thats calling it like I saw it with Amare.

Im waiting for Melo to do something worth feeling good about

How about 25 games?

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I was not talking about his best statistical season. I was talking about the seasonS that he feuded with PJax and won rings.

Kobe was a selfish prick just like Melo or worse (read Jax's book)

no desire to read Jax book. Thanks.

Its funny... you never read anything anyone says.

Ive been open and honest about what I dont like about Melo, and its simply this... I have no reason to ride the jock of a player who has done nothing for my team. Maybe you do, and chuck does also, and perhaps JRod and durzoblint. Maybe you see a guy with no playoff success, no personal achievements (MVP, scoring title, first team all NBA) and say to yourself that he's the one, he's the messiah, he's the chosen one.

They would have played "Im coming home" for Marbury also you know, but the song wasnt out then yet.

And one good month of basketball and a couple good shots isnt enough for me to toss the guy's salad as you do and clearly enjoy the flavor.

Your biggest attack on my thinking is I excuse Amare or anyother player, but Ive been clear about that also. Why do I like Amare? Because when every FA laughed at the KNicks he signed here, and he came with no other star here to lean on. He took on the challenge. He led the 4th qtr in scoring. He was the guy that pushed us from laughing stock to a playoff team. Does he have holes? sure. Defense suck? sure does. But he wasnt a one trick Nash following pony. He came here and showed he was a guy who could make a difference and he did. Thats my bias. Thats calling it like I saw it with Amare.

Im waiting for Melo to do something worth feeling good about

A players playoff success should be measured by the players around him not by blinding stating playoff records without context.

Denver went from a perennial bottom feeding team to a perennial playoff team after Melo. He never had the casts around him such as the teams that Denver consistently lost to. You probably know this and are either blind or are intentionally ignoring it. Please tell me the year that Denver was upset and was the clear favorite ......???

Amare? Oh right he was such a manly man and stood up to the challenge of NY when nobody would come here - HA! He got 100 million dollars and the only other offer that I was aware of was 60 million - what a standup guy. Way to take less money because you wanted to play on the greatest stage in the world. CLUELESS!

Does Amare have faults? Yeah - his defense sux and he doesn't even try but who cares - he was man enough to come to NY for 100 million dollars and its so great that he's spending 100 grand of it to pay for Hakeems lessons. Thank you Amare for 1/2 of a nice season on a 5 year contract. Relax next season, you have done enough.

Now, back to hating on Melo - he's fat, smiles, AND WE GUTTED THE WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE TEAM FOR HIM.

You are a cute one though

fishmike wrote:

Uptown wrote:

And it wasn't just Melo who play'd hard under Woodson. So was the whole team dogging it?

Pretty much. The whole team was different after Woody took over because he made defense the top priority and held everyone accountable...

right... it could have nothing to do with the star player mailing it in night after night? Did it occur to you that there was a clear power struggle between star player and coach? Once the coach was let go all the players can be done with the drama and go back to playing ball.

Kind of how Gallo and Chandler started playing poorly when they knew they were getting traded for Melo at some point. Its distracting. If you dont think these things factor in to a players performance your ignorant.

Anytime a star player and coach feud the team all plays poorly. Its a dark cloud.

Can someone tell me how Denver made the playoffs last year? I mean they traded a Kobe/Wade caliber superstar for role players, and yet didnt see a dropoff in the wins. In fact they won double their usual playoff total when Melo was there.

Melo doesnt exactly make himself lovable. The guys who ride his jock make it worse.

right... it could have nothing to do with the star player mailing it in night after night? Did it occur to you that there was a clear power struggle between star player and coach? Once the coach was let go all the players can be done with the drama and go back to playing ball.

First, you pretty much put our slow start (first half of the season) on Melo's shoulders because as you claim, he was dogging it. Now, its also Melo's fault that everyone else played like **** because of a supposed power struggle that was never confirmed from Melo, MDA or Grundwalds lips? Take a step outside of yourself and tell me it doesn't appear that your posts seem to put all of the Knicks ills on Melo's shoulders?

Maybe, just maybe we played like **** for the first half of the season because:
a. We had Toney Douglas running the point.
b. Amare was an absolute shell-of-himself who lost he mid-range jumper and gained a ton of weight.
c. Fields forgot how to shoot.
d. despite not having any 3-point shooters or a pg, MDA stubbornly refused to adjust to his roster.
e. Melo was asked to play point forward which is not a strong suit for him.
f. as a team, we played horrible defense.

Can someone tell me how Denver made the playoffs last year? I mean they traded a Kobe/Wade caliber superstar for role players, and yet didnt see a dropoff in the wins. In fact they won double their usual playoff total when Melo was there.

Denver made the playoffs because they had more overall depth and talent than we did. Even before the trade they were deeper. Good teams can make the playoffs, (see Philly, see the Jazz last yr, etc) but they dont advance. With a good balance, a superstar can help you advance deep in the playoffs...When they were finally favored to do so, Melo helped that team advance to the WCF...

FoeDiddy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:In the final 28 games after the trade the knicks went 14-14

In the 28 games prior to the trade, they were 12-16

Yeah - they were really playing well and going places. Oh right, our yoots were sad

Then the Knicks went 29-34 in the next 63 games he played in

What was the record with a new coach?

18-6 in the regular season and 1-4 in the playoffs.

KnicksFE wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Uptown wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

nixluva wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:After the third game with Woodson as coach, he said

I think in the last three games, my focus was to have an energy that I haven’t had so far this season

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/20/melo-basically-admits-hes-trying-harder-for-woodson/

So that equates to him saying he was dogging it? Do you guys ever think that maybe the coach demanded it from him and it's more of a coaches philosophy. Same as D'antoni not believing in heavy practices or shoot arounds before the game? Maybe he was talking about a team culture change. We honestly dont' know what he meant by that. The point is to take that quote and equate it to him saying he was Dogging it is ridiculous and erroneous.

Here's the thing. Melo played harder the very day that MDA resigned and it had NOTHING to do with any special coaching Woody did. This was Melo realizing that he had to step up or he'd be blamed for MDA leaving if the team didn't start winning. Melo is not stupid. He knows how that would play out. He had flat out STUNK for most of the year. Go and look at his stats up until that point. From then on he stepped up his effort level. He didn't start shooting better immediately but his effort was demonstrably better, then at the end of March he started getting hot and it carried over thru the rest of the season.

It wasn't just Melo's quote but his actual visually noticeable effort increased the day MDA resigned. That is highly suspect and when you add his statement it just puts the final nail in the coffin.

Could it be he got healthier and in better shape as season went along. Melo actually had a great start to season til he hurt his hand and groin. You dont' remember this? You dont' recall his injuries that led to his poor play?

And it wasn't just Melo who play'd hard under Woodson. So was the whole team dogging it?

Great job Foe. I was about to respond to Fish and Nix's post until I scrolled down and saw that you pretty much said everything I was going to say and then some. That quote was taken completely out of context. There is no way your going to tell me that Melo was dogging it first half of the year when he was playing out of position (point forward) for the sake of the team. He also put up the following numbers to start the year:

37 & 8
27, 7 & 5
23, 7 & 5
35, 11 & 4
32, 6, & 5
37, 7 & 4
22, 4 & 6
27, 5 & 3

Then he was injured in the Memphis game and his shooting % went in the crapper for a while. He dealt with a wrist, thumb, and groin injury but for some reason nobody wants to bring that up....

No problem. It's like people start believing things just cause they repeat it and repeat it over and over again.

Wrong, I remember everyone on the team playing hard for MDA, except Melo and Stat, our two best players.

You have selective memory then. we play'd most the season with TD at Point guard..that had more to do with our losses early on then anything..Not Melo's effort. Melo alone won some games for us out of necessity. Jeremy Lin was a point guard...Linsanity was mostly an direct effect of actually having a adequate PG. We act like Lin and Melo play the same position. Melo sitting while Lin was winning games wasn't a slight on Melo or due to Melo's lack of effort it was more of in direct relation to finally having a PG.

While I agree, that Melo did win some games for us (I have never denied his talent) there is no question to me that him and Stat could have played with more effort on both end of the court, I also don’t think Melo came in the best basketball shape of his career. And why do you bring Lisanity into this? I said the whole team was playing hard for MDA and that include Novak, Chandler, Shumper, Josh, and Jeffrey as well. And they were playing hard before Linsanity happened.

Novak was playing hard? or was he just hitting shots lol. Josh Harrelson?? Chandler, Shump and chandler know their roles. Like Reggie Evans..what else is he good for if he doesn't hustle and do the little things if he's no good in Scoring or Facilitating. I bring Linsanity into it to show Melo's & the Bad team's bad play had less to do then this theory of "Melo dogging it" and more to do with having a adequate PG.

granted Melo did come in out of shape but so do a lot of players. As a professional u should come in shape but it is vacation. Unless your organization culture pushes it most players will come in out of shape. that's what training camp is for. Riley demands his players in the off season to come back in optimal shape or face penalties. That's the kind of culture the Knicks need to build and they went in the right direction with Woodson.

The funniest part of this was Amare saying that he stupidly put on 20 pounds of muscle to help his ailing back. He stated that it was the wrong move but he did not have anybody to ask being that he could not talk to the medical staff due to the lockout.

Go ahead and pay hakeem 100k to help you but you can't pay the 10 dollar copay to go see another doctor - maybe he really does have a low IQ. I take back anything I said mean about him.

FoeDiddy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:In the final 28 games after the trade the knicks went 14-14

In the 28 games prior to the trade, they were 12-16

Yeah - they were really playing well and going places. Oh right, our yoots were sad

Then the Knicks went 29-34 in the next 63 games he played in

What was the record with a new coach?

18-6 in the regular season and 1-4 in the playoffs.

Wow..break the team up..1 and 4 with Lin injured against the eventual champs...shame on them. they should have at least won 2.

Don't mind bonn - he is full of tongue and cheek for shock value.

crzymdups wrote:Money quote from the article which I'm sure the pro-Melo crowd will be up in arms about is here:

He had the chance for a beautiful partnership with Jeremy Lin, and it all fell apart with the Houston Rockets' offer sheet. Because Anthony never wanted Lin, it was probably forever doomed anyway. Lin's indoctrination to 'Melo would come watching him ignore the coach's wishes and running whatever he wanted to run. Anthony and J.R. Smith resented Lin's attention, his salary, and convinced themselves that Raymond Felton and Jason Kidd can replicate what Lin had going with the Knicks. The rest of the Knicks' roster loved Lin, wanted him, but Anthony and Smith never had the chance to build a chemistry with him.

Wojo is one of the most respected basketball writers in the country, along with Berger and Ho Beck.

As of now, ALL THREE of those writers have written the same thing about Melo.

AND YET, it's still just hearsay and fabrication to the Melo crowd.

So many shades of the Marbury years waiting to happen. I think the team this year can be good. And I hope Jason Kidd can be a leader in the way Billups was for Melo, because that's a job Melo doesn't want. Melo wants to be a scorer and the star.

It is what it is. He looked good in the Olympics - hopefully he continues to remember how to play off the ball.

Hey, I wonder what coach designed the Olympic team's offense?

who cares ...

Kobe did not want shaq, abbot did not like costello, jackie gleason wanted art carney off the honeymooners ...

tabloid stories for the sad and lonely

CashMoney wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:In the final 28 games after the trade the knicks went 14-14

In the 28 games prior to the trade, they were 12-16

Yeah - they were really playing well and going places. Oh right, our yoots were sad

Then the Knicks went 29-34 in the next 63 games he played in

What was the record with a new coach?

18-6 in the regular season and 1-4 in the playoffs.

Wow..break the team up..1 and 4 with Lin injured against the eventual champs...shame on them. they should have at least won 2.

Shump also only played 19 minutes in the entire series but no big deal considering we lost our best perimeter defender. STAT had a boxing match with a fire extinguisher and our starting PG wasn't anywhere close to 100%. = Melo sucks?

You forgot to mention that Tyson was stinkin awful but he was not feeling well - but lets go blame the fatty