fishmike wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Thought the article was pretty evenhanded but it did kind of put thoughts inside Melo's head. The train of reasoning for why Melo would think that way was pretty logical and didn't really paint him in a totally evil light.

Melo wants an environment where he is supported, recognized for his contributions and the locker room is a family environment. George Karl wasn't exactly unwavering in his support of Melo. We can see with how Woody deals with JR Smith how different it is. George Karl got on JR about his mistakes by cutting playing time. Woody bitches out JR, takes him off the court, but then puts him back in. Who knows what the hell Melo had to deal with even with the addition of say AI or Chauncey outranking him because of their accomplishments. At least they had pretty long resumes.

In the end perhaps it WAS completely crazy for anyone to question whether Melo had to change his game for Lin. Shouldn't it have been the other way around? If anything this article made me understand Melo a little bit better instead of thinking of him as someone just simply jealous that Lin was undeservedly stealing his shine. Perhaps Lin will suck in Houston. Felton will shine. This team will get us to a championship and this will have all been for the better. Perhaps Lin will become a beast and end up being what could have been that last solid starter to get us over the hump that we never got over and Melo will regret not doing everything in his power to keep the kid here.

the Lin thing is just so dumb. Im not mad we didnt choose to make Lin the face of the franchise, but letting him go for nothing but ego and hurt feelings is epicly idiotic. With no picks and no MLE we need every asset we can. This was just a waste

If you read the abbot piece on the financials it does do a decent job of stating the other side of things. Clearly because of Bird Rights Lin would have cost nothing in terms of flexibility to sign. We will now be filling his roster spot with someone like Maurice Evans.

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

Hippo wrote:Isaiah Thomas through his Hoosier lackeys, Woodson and Grunwald is still in control.

"Most tellingly, perhaps, Isiah Thomas is close to Dolan, Wesley, Grunwald, Woodson and others with the Knicks, according to sources. The former Knicks president and coach is still a very influential voice in Dolan's ear, and those behind the scenes say he is lukewarm toward Lin."

Exactly! 1St Mda, then Fields, now Lin. Noveck and Shump will next if they don't fall in line....smh! Hate this owner of ours with a passion!!!

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Thought the article was pretty evenhanded but it did kind of put thoughts inside Melo's head. The train of reasoning for why Melo would think that way was pretty logical and didn't really paint him in a totally evil light.

Melo wants an environment where he is supported, recognized for his contributions and the locker room is a family environment. George Karl wasn't exactly unwavering in his support of Melo. We can see with how Woody deals with JR Smith how different it is. George Karl got on JR about his mistakes by cutting playing time. Woody bitches out JR, takes him off the court, but then puts him back in. Who knows what the hell Melo had to deal with even with the addition of say AI or Chauncey outranking him because of their accomplishments. At least they had pretty long resumes.

In the end perhaps it WAS completely crazy for anyone to question whether Melo had to change his game for Lin. Shouldn't it have been the other way around? If anything this article made me understand Melo a little bit better instead of thinking of him as someone just simply jealous that Lin was undeservedly stealing his shine. Perhaps Lin will suck in Houston. Felton will shine. This team will get us to a championship and this will have all been for the better. Perhaps Lin will become a beast and end up being what could have been that last solid starter to get us over the hump that we never got over and Melo will regret not doing everything in his power to keep the kid here.

the Lin thing is just so dumb. Im not mad we didnt choose to make Lin the face of the franchise, but letting him go for nothing but ego and hurt feelings is epicly idiotic. With no picks and no MLE we need every asset we can. This was just a waste

If you read the abbot piece on the financials it does do a decent job of stating the other side of things. Clearly because of Bird Rights Lin would have cost nothing in terms of flexibility to sign. We will now be filling his roster spot with someone like Maurice Evans.

mrKnickShot wrote:If the knicks resigned him to trade him, were there many/any takers at that price?

franco12 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:If the knicks resigned him to trade him, were there many/any takers at that price?

Berger said no, not with the third year bump. I think others speculated that there were teams that would trade for him.

I have no idea who Berger talked to.

But, I could easily see Toronto and Dallas as takers- not sure what their cap story looks like in year 3.

I would think it would have been very easy to trade him if he started the season strong - because you just need a $5m ending contract and draft picks to come back.

Its hard to move stars because you need big money to come back.

Look at the Dwight Howard drama, the Melo drama. One team ends up having to send the other team 5 players- and its not easy to match value.

I would have been happy getting at least 2 decent first round picks.

KnicksFE wrote:And the biggest shame of all is that we, the fans still haven’t heard an explanation from Knicks Management. Why they chose not to pay Lin or why they let him go? Address the fans in some capacity, or may be for them we don’t matter.

Thats a fair point. It would have been nice to at least have a statement from Knicks brass. Or at least their spokesman, MELO

mrKnickShot wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:And the biggest shame of all is that we, the fans still haven’t heard an explanation from Knicks Management. Why they chose not to pay Lin or why they let him go? Address the fans in some capacity, or may be for them we don’t matter.

Thats a fair point. It would have been nice to at least have a statement from Knicks brass. Or at least their spokesman, MELO

Considering that many fans were saddened by their decision, it would be a classy thing to do for the many Lin’s fans. I guess this Dolan we are talking about.

CrushAlot wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

fishmike wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Thought the article was pretty evenhanded but it did kind of put thoughts inside Melo's head. The train of reasoning for why Melo would think that way was pretty logical and didn't really paint him in a totally evil light.

Melo wants an environment where he is supported, recognized for his contributions and the locker room is a family environment. George Karl wasn't exactly unwavering in his support of Melo. We can see with how Woody deals with JR Smith how different it is. George Karl got on JR about his mistakes by cutting playing time. Woody bitches out JR, takes him off the court, but then puts him back in. Who knows what the hell Melo had to deal with even with the addition of say AI or Chauncey outranking him because of their accomplishments. At least they had pretty long resumes.

In the end perhaps it WAS completely crazy for anyone to question whether Melo had to change his game for Lin. Shouldn't it have been the other way around? If anything this article made me understand Melo a little bit better instead of thinking of him as someone just simply jealous that Lin was undeservedly stealing his shine. Perhaps Lin will suck in Houston. Felton will shine. This team will get us to a championship and this will have all been for the better. Perhaps Lin will become a beast and end up being what could have been that last solid starter to get us over the hump that we never got over and Melo will regret not doing everything in his power to keep the kid here.

the Lin thing is just so dumb. Im not mad we didnt choose to make Lin the face of the franchise, but letting him go for nothing but ego and hurt feelings is epicly idiotic. With no picks and no MLE we need every asset we can. This was just a waste

If you read the abbot piece on the financials it does do a decent job of stating the other side of things. Clearly because of Bird Rights Lin would have cost nothing in terms of flexibility to sign. We will now be filling his roster spot with someone like Maurice Evans.

I didn't see the financials in the Abbot article that was posted in this thread. Is there another article?

The Financials http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8179984/nba-jeremy-lin-six-degrees-separation-financials

More on the Poison Pill http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8180998/nba-jeremy-lin-six-degrees-separation-poison-pill

The last part on the Lin camp is an interesting take too. Pretty much just like the stars aligned to create Linsanity, they also aligned to end it. It appears to be way more complex than James Dolan being an immature, emotional, deluded idiot (all still true but perhaps not the # 1 factor in this whole mess)

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
In a league where the essence of trading is matching salaries, Lin's salary was nearly unmatchable for New York. That won't be as true for the Rockets, however. In another CBA wrinkle, for trade purposes, Lin's salary, on the Rockets or any other team, is averaged over the contract. If the Rockets want to trade Lin, his annual salary counts as $8.4 million at any time, making him that much less of a risk.

To Knicks fans, both the huge tax bill and the trade restrictions feel unfair. The two teams appeared to have the least level playing field imaginable in pursuing Lin.

Wow! so the new phucked up CBA makes it easier on other teams to a acquire a player then its own team? That is completely messed up.

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
In a league where the essence of trading is matching salaries, Lin's salary was nearly unmatchable for New York. That won't be as true for the Rockets, however. In another CBA wrinkle, for trade purposes, Lin's salary, on the Rockets or any other team, is averaged over the contract. If the Rockets want to trade Lin, his annual salary counts as $8.4 million at any time, making him that much less of a risk.

To Knicks fans, both the huge tax bill and the trade restrictions feel unfair. The two teams appeared to have the least level playing field imaginable in pursuing Lin.

Wow! so the new phucked up CBA makes it easier on other teams to a acquire a player then its own team? That is completely messed up.

not really. It's just that Lin was a super exception AND the Knicks were already over the cap. How many 2rd round picks get signed to their max?

Not many, but very possible. And, that implies that if a team gets lucky on a second rounder other teams can steal the player due to the poison pill and better positioning in the poison pill year?

mrKnickShot wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:
In a league where the essence of trading is matching salaries, Lin's salary was nearly unmatchable for New York. That won't be as true for the Rockets, however. In another CBA wrinkle, for trade purposes, Lin's salary, on the Rockets or any other team, is averaged over the contract. If the Rockets want to trade Lin, his annual salary counts as $8.4 million at any time, making him that much less of a risk.

To Knicks fans, both the huge tax bill and the trade restrictions feel unfair. The two teams appeared to have the least level playing field imaginable in pursuing Lin.

Wow! so the new phucked up CBA makes it easier on other teams to a acquire a player then its own team? That is completely messed up.

Well a huge part of it was to make it harder for the Knicks, Lakers and other teams with tons of $ from getting all the players just by outspending people. In the NBA's view the playing field wasn't level so they've tilted it away from us.

If you want to simply inefficiently spend you way to winning you're gonna pay a HELL of a lot more now. Means that teams are gonna have to be a LOT more careful with how they spend or be prepared to pay up. Doesn't seem like ANY GM/OWNER got the memo.