Uptown wrote:

blackisblack wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Uptown wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:If you look at the evidence and history involved - This was personal. Lin was just gaining too much power in a sense. Dolan built a team around Melo and Stat and then along comes Lin and turns things around, the failure that was. Lin becomes the favorite Knick of most of the fans, then Melo, then Chandler, then Stat. Dolan wanted his team back for Melo and Woody - the ISO game. I see their point, but now we are a worse team.

good post. i agree with this.

Your partly right. It was definitely personal and Dolan let personal feelings get in the way of business. Its no wonder it was his dad that built the brand up and not him. Lin was set to make tons of $$$ off the court for Dolan and personal feelings let that ship sail. With that said, its ridiculous to say that Dolan, the owner of the team, wants Lin gone so he can run Iso's with Melo. That makes absolutely no sense.

I think it makes sense from the stand point of Melo being Dolan's toy that HE went out and brokered the deal for. Lin was a wildcard out of the blue and in some circles became a more popular Knick than Melo. I don't think Dolan would like that. You can argue differently, but it seems like Dolan didn't like something about Lin.

It is common knowledge that superstars, players wherein teams were built on can go straight to the owner and asked that someone be let go. And it is common knowledge that the owner would grant this request.

So are you implying that Melo wne to Dolan to get Lin off the team? Why do you guys ignore what Melo and Lin have been saying all along that they both get along, both like each other and both want to play with each other? This is all documented. Yet, you guys want to make up fantasy scenarios because its essential make up a bad guy (Melo) in all of this?

I think if Melo wanted Lin on the team, Lin would be on the team. Melo's gotten his way an awful lot. He's repped by CAA who have powerful ties to the Garden now.

BasketballJones wrote:I don't think it was personal. If they didn't want Lin, why fight so hard for his Bird rights? I think it is more likely a case of incompetence than malice. They wanted Lin (for the right price) and did not execute the best strategy to obtain him at the price they wanted. Incompetence is more in line with the history of this franchise.

I can see your point even though I said it was personal. But, it still doesn't make sense to let an asset walk for nothing. I think as we remove ourselves from that amazing stretch of 25 games last year, where his PER was top 5 or the like, we forget what we saw. We start to rationalize "It can't continue. The league will catch on. Etc." I don't buy that. I know what I saw and it wasn't a fluke. From game 1 I was saying "When will this stop?" It never really did, except for the Miami game and a few other so so's. But the kid was gassed. The bigger thing than my eyes, dare I say, is my heart. That stretch was the best time in my sports life. No championship, but that memory is tops. Dolan just tore the hearts out from thousands of fans.

I agree with crazydups - I will try hard to never give another $1 to Dolan.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:I don't think it was personal. If they didn't want Lin, why fight so hard for his Bird rights? I think it is more likely a case of incompetence than malice. They wanted Lin (for the right price) and did not execute the best strategy to obtain him at the price they wanted. Incompetence is more in line with the history of this franchise.

Exactly. Knicks got sonned in a negotiation where they are supposed to have the upper hand. They had a Bird('s Rights clause) in the hand, instead chased two in the bush, and the net worth of their little hunting excursion: nothing.

This is a very unloveable organization.

I can't think that Lin was too happy when he became aware that we were looking into acquiring a Nash, a Kidd, or a Felton. Hell, we even went overseas for a PG.

The Knicks seemed to be sending out mixed signals on Lin- saying one thing, but acting in a way which made him think we had another plan, and he (Lin) was a minor player in that one.

Yet at the same time, I have to think that Lin could have made things a lot easier for us if he really wanted to stay here.

The sad fact is that Lin was not a great fit on the team we now have, and I don't think Woodson was really sold on him, despite some comments by him to the contrary.

Very confusing for me. I am looking to assign blame on one side or the other, but the story is too complicated and murky for me to come to any conclusion at this time.

Did not know the SI writer was linked to Lin. If true, that is not a good thing, and might, as someone said, have just been a damage control piece for Lin, whose agent might have been concerned about Lin's "good guy" rep being tarnished by greed or duplicity.

All in all, a terrible affair for this franchise.

DurzoBlint wrote:I'm done posting here till the over emotional, weak ass fake ass fans leave.

That's the best news I have had in a week.

Knicksfan wrote:Maybe its just my nature of not trusting anything from the media, but its really amazing how in a single article, that by the way Lin posted in his twitter page as his "free agency in a nutshell", every single one of the main arguments people could have against Lin are surprisingly answered as to leave no stain on the Lin legacy.

I was especially surprised with the mention of James Dolan inquiring about Lin's ability to play in the playoffs and how it was Lin who wanted to play but the veterans urged him not to. Hey, it probably happened that way for all we know, but reading this article I cant help but see propaganda to make sure Lin's image isn't damaged with this nasty divorce. As I said previously, many elements of this article seem sincere and true, so Im not saying the article is completely false. But it does seems biased to a fault, and as I also question the biased ones that sometimes come from the team (since usually media is openly against the franchise, making fun of them) I wonder how many of this is truth.

Either way, truth or not, this is such a polarizing story that people will either believe it or not. I still feel the truth is in the middle and all sides made huge mistakes.

You know you sound empty, bitter and vengeful right? Your problem is all the unfounded garbage conspiracies you have been spewing the last few days were just shown by this one article to have come straight out your ass.

MS wrote:This proves something vert simple. The Knicks are a ****ing disgrace. When your owner is a pathetic excuse for a man and has tormented fans for years with his inept decision making and is more concerned with the media you get a smear campaign saying line has changed his head got huge, teammates were dissatisfied.

It's embarrassing. The same loser fans with undying support for an organization that can't win on 40 years accepts mediocrity. All the while teams are rebuilding and we are executing trades blind. We are old and our pieces don't fit.

Brooklyn quietly has assembled a better team that fits together. They have Watson, Brooks, Evans, the euro off the bench. So while Dolan has been worrying about newspapers the Knicks are about to lose the city. It's typical and its satisfying. Some people get what they deserve and that doesn't make you less of a man because you're tired of watching something so easy to build keep being built the wrong way.

To be fair the pieces fit till the Melo trade and we were left with a mish mash. Now they are trying to make the pieces fit around Melo. They probably still have to trade Amare to finish the transformation but thats easier said then . If it was so easy to build there wouldnt only be 7 champions in the last 20 years.

crzymdups wrote:

Uptown wrote:

blackisblack wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Uptown wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:If you look at the evidence and history involved - This was personal. Lin was just gaining too much power in a sense. Dolan built a team around Melo and Stat and then along comes Lin and turns things around, the failure that was. Lin becomes the favorite Knick of most of the fans, then Melo, then Chandler, then Stat. Dolan wanted his team back for Melo and Woody - the ISO game. I see their point, but now we are a worse team.

good post. i agree with this.

Your partly right. It was definitely personal and Dolan let personal feelings get in the way of business. Its no wonder it was his dad that built the brand up and not him. Lin was set to make tons of $$$ off the court for Dolan and personal feelings let that ship sail. With that said, its ridiculous to say that Dolan, the owner of the team, wants Lin gone so he can run Iso's with Melo. That makes absolutely no sense.

I think it makes sense from the stand point of Melo being Dolan's toy that HE went out and brokered the deal for. Lin was a wildcard out of the blue and in some circles became a more popular Knick than Melo. I don't think Dolan would like that. You can argue differently, but it seems like Dolan didn't like something about Lin.

It is common knowledge that superstars, players wherein teams were built on can go straight to the owner and asked that someone be let go. And it is common knowledge that the owner would grant this request.

So are you implying that Melo wne to Dolan to get Lin off the team? Why do you guys ignore what Melo and Lin have been saying all along that they both get along, both like each other and both want to play with each other? This is all documented. Yet, you guys want to make up fantasy scenarios because its essential make up a bad guy (Melo) in all of this?

I think if Melo wanted Lin on the team, Lin would be on the team. Melo's gotten his way an awful lot. He's repped by CAA who have powerful ties to the Garden now.

Czy, thats BS and you know it. Melo does not exert that type of power. This is all on Dolan....Lets not make it something that it is not.

Uptown wrote:Czy, thats BS and you know it. Melo does not exert that type of power. This is all on Dolan....Lets not make it something that it is not.

+7

loweyecue wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:Maybe its just my nature of not trusting anything from the media, but its really amazing how in a single article, that by the way Lin posted in his twitter page as his "free agency in a nutshell", every single one of the main arguments people could have against Lin are surprisingly answered as to leave no stain on the Lin legacy.

I was especially surprised with the mention of James Dolan inquiring about Lin's ability to play in the playoffs and how it was Lin who wanted to play but the veterans urged him not to. Hey, it probably happened that way for all we know, but reading this article I cant help but see propaganda to make sure Lin's image isn't damaged with this nasty divorce. As I said previously, many elements of this article seem sincere and true, so Im not saying the article is completely false. But it does seems biased to a fault, and as I also question the biased ones that sometimes come from the team (since usually media is openly against the franchise, making fun of them) I wonder how many of this is truth.

Either way, truth or not, this is such a polarizing story that people will either believe it or not. I still feel the truth is in the middle and all sides made huge mistakes.

You know you sound empty, bitter and vengeful right? Your problem is all the unfounded garbage conspiracies you have been spewing the last few days were just shown by this one article to have come straight out your ass.

Really? Someone writes a well thought out post and concludes that the truth is somewhere in the middle and that is how you respond. You kno how you sound right? Also , some pretty well respected guys, Hahn, Berger, amick have covered this topic. My advice to you is To open your mind a little and read their takes. I think you will find they are somewhere in the middle.