ChuckBuck wrote:

subzero0 wrote:

ToddTT wrote:Lin got what he wanted.

I'm just looking forward to the first pick and roll between Felton and Amare.

Sorry to spoil it for you but the defense will collapse on Amare, force felton to shoot and felton will miss the shot wildly. As the opposing guards release the opposing rebounders pass the ball upcourt for a fastbreak high percentage shot. We have already seen how those felton Amare pick and rolls end. It was part of the reason we got rid of Felton, remember? Some Knick fans have really short memories.

You don't think Felton can find Novak in the corner like he found Shawne Williams?

ChuckBuck wrote:

FeltonandAmare wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Here's to ease your pain, happy trails!

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You know who the real troll is in all of this?

You. And people like you.

And yet you are still around here pa-trolling.

Can't get rid of you, like herpes.

Wow, what a despicable human being you are.

Why am I despicable? Because I voice my displeasure with Fairweather Knicks fans that threaten to leave because one guy leaves the team? Guy wasn't even the best player on the team.

And with your handle, FeltonandAmare, shouldn't you be more supportive of Felton's return?

We don't have a single player who has only been with the Knicks continually since 2009-2010. Many folks, especially those who like watching their younger players develop, or get excited when we pick up gems from the garbage heap (Lin and Novak), are dismayed with what Dolan has done to this team. Many of these people, including myself, are waiting for Shumpert to be traded, after he reestablishes some value on the market. I can't say I was happy with how Lin handled things through all of this- but he may have known or sensed certain things which we have overlooked, and realized our present regime did not truly want him back, despite our public comments. After all, our pursuit of Nash, and even Kidd, could hardly have been taken as a vote of confidence by Lin.

In only a few years, this team will start to break up, and we will have no younger players to move in to replace the group that is leaving because we have either gotten rid of them, or the draft picks which may someday turn into the new blood which rejuvenates a franchise.

I think we are going to go over the cap soon, even without Lin, and from what I have read, you are no longer able to do sign and trade maneuvers when you are now over the cap (am I incorrect here?), which further limits what we can do.

After about 3 years, I anticipate another period of time, perhaps 3-5 years, during which Dolan and friends scramble to put together a competitive team. It will be during this time that we once again start overpaying players in an attempt to keep up with the Joneses.

As I have stated before, the team we have is not going to win a title unless other teams lose people through injury. This team will has have little, if any, flexibility over the next few years. We will be a good team, and if everything goes perfect, we will cap out at between 50-53 wins, and an appearance in the second round. We have limited perimeter shooting and, at least as of the end of last year, limited shooting from the post, especially with our backs to the basket.

The is not a team that can win a title in the short term, and not a team that can give you a 50 wins/year potential for more than 2, and maybe three years... After that, we face another period of mediocrity, with an ownership you cannot trust to make the best decisions for the welfare of the team.

I can see why some fans have been so disheartened by what has happened, and why they have decided not to invest as much of their time and energy with this team.

Very sad times for the Knicks, IMO.

Happy Trails all you fake ass, wanna-be, never was Knicks fans.

Linsanity cannot happen in any other city but New York.

My thoughts- beat it.

Feel good story, that was fun rooting for the underdog. Took the city by storm and had people who didn't know jack about the Knicks rooting. Awesome, really... But won't sway my love for this team one bit.

After a decade of drafting mistakes, $100mil contracts to jump shooters, Marbury (who was basically a functional retard), trading Ewing, McDyess in preseason, Isiah-gate and a list of poor decisions piled a mile high...

Still here, begging for more. Color me a sucker for drama.

This organization pukes money, yet they opted to let a player who galvanized and saved their season for nothing. Nothing. If he irritated management they should have kept him and treated him like and asset, which could have yielded us a pick or a prospect at worst. Instead we get zero. Nada. Its pretty clear who Dolan loves and thats consistant with the other inept folks he's attached himself too.

Lin represented hope. He was a young point guard with upside. Our best guard. Our pest prospect. A guy who gave all credit to his teammates and placed all blame on himself. Makes sense why he didnt fit. Good luck Jeremy, I dont blame you one bit for not being a part of this organization.

It makes perfect sense... fill the roster with yes men so we can be the Nuggets or Hawks for the next 2-3 years. Maybe we even win a playoff series. That would really be special.

fishmike wrote:this wasnt about Lin... it was about hope and basketball.

This organization pukes money, yet they opted to let a player who galvanized and saved their season for nothing. Nothing. If he irritated management they should have kept him and treated him like and asset, which could have yielded us a pick or a prospect at worst. Instead we get zero. Nada. Its pretty clear who Dolan loves and thats consistant with the other inept folks he's attached himself too.

Lin represented hope. He was a young point guard with upside. Our best guard. Our pest prospect. A guy who gave all credit to his teammates and placed all blame on himself. Makes sense why he didnt fit. Good luck Jeremy, I dont blame you one bit for not being a part of this organization.

It makes perfect sense... fill the roster with yes men so we can be the Nuggets or Hawks for the next 2-3 years. Maybe we even win a playoff series. That would really be special.

you got it my man

fishmike wrote:this wasnt about Lin... it was about hope and basketball.

This organization pukes money, yet they opted to let a player who galvanized and saved their season for nothing. Nothing. If he irritated management they should have kept him and treated him like and asset, which could have yielded us a pick or a prospect at worst. Instead we get zero. Nada. Its pretty clear who Dolan loves and thats consistant with the other inept folks he's attached himself too.

Lin represented hope. He was a young point guard with upside. Our best guard. Our pest prospect. A guy who gave all credit to his teammates and placed all blame on himself. Makes sense why he didnt fit. Good luck Jeremy, I dont blame you one bit for not being a part of this organization.

It makes perfect sense... fill the roster with yes men so we can be the Nuggets or Hawks for the next 2-3 years. Maybe we even win a playoff series. That would really be special.

+1

Wow you really hit the nail on the head here. Good post.

Jmpasq wrote:Pretty easy to see for Lin to be effective he has to dominate the ball just like Melo. That isnt going to work here. I wish Lin luck. He will put up good numbers in Houston. Just surround him with shooters and real good Center who can dominate the paint "Like Howard" and u may have something. Had this team been constructed differently it might of worked out in NY. How this team is built Lin doesnt make sense at that price.

This team is constructed around Melo and Woody's iso-joe offense. Two things with an epic history of first round outs. But the Knicks will win 50 games, they will make the playoffs and they will perform exactly how they are built.

fishmike wrote:this wasnt about Lin... it was about hope and basketball.

This organization pukes money, yet they opted to let a player who galvanized and saved their season for nothing. Nothing. If he irritated management they should have kept him and treated him like and asset, which could have yielded us a pick or a prospect at worst. Instead we get zero. Nada. Its pretty clear who Dolan loves and thats consistant with the other inept folks he's attached himself too.

Lin represented hope. He was a young point guard with upside. Our best guard. Our pest prospect. A guy who gave all credit to his teammates and placed all blame on himself. Makes sense why he didnt fit. Good luck Jeremy, I dont blame you one bit for not being a part of this organization.

It makes perfect sense... fill the roster with yes men so we can be the Nuggets or Hawks for the next 2-3 years. Maybe we even win a playoff series. That would really be special.

well said. lin represented hope and he played basketball in a way that we hadn't seen from a star in a NY uniform since the early days of mark jackson, i felt. completely selfless. if he scored 38pts, it didn't seem selfish - it came within the flow of the game.

i still don't know if i can leave the team, it feels like debating leaving my wife or worse! that said, i despise dolan. he is a petty piece of crap. and carmelo has basically transformed into marbury in my head at this point. i'll hope they win a playoffs series... though i don't even know if i see that happening.

to think that it could have been possible to build this team around gallinari and lin - two unselfish and talented ball players... it could have been refreshing. while it's arguable that this current roster is better - it already feels like it's as good as its gonna get, the window is small and the ceiling feels like the second round. then we gotta blow it all up again. who's a free agent in 2015? let's start the watch!

Jmpasq wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:Pretty easy to see for Lin to be effective he has to dominate the ball just like Melo. That isnt going to work here. I wish Lin luck. He will put up good numbers in Houston. Just surround him with shooters and real good Center who can dominate the paint "Like Howard" and u may have something. Had this team been constructed differently it might of worked out in NY. How this team is built Lin doesnt make sense at that price.

name one great PG who doesnt dominate the ball. They are the QB.

This team is constructed around Melo and Woody's iso-joe offense. Two things with an epic history of first round outs. But the Knicks will win 50 games, they will make the playoffs and they will perform exactly how they are built.

Lin is a 1 trick pony though. Outside of being able to drive and kick recklessly what does he do well?

three point shooting
gets into the lane
clutch shooting
assists, finds the open man
perimeter shooting
defensive steals
drawing fouls
unselfish player

If by "one-trick-pony" you mean "a point guard who can do almost anything you can ask a point guard to do on the court" then yes, he is a "one-trick-pony".