Bippity10 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Can we please stop with the name calling already? The same 3-4 guys are doing the same thing on each thread and destroying everyone else's opportunity to actually follow the thread.

I think this was the wrong move in every way possible and there is nothing I have read over the last few days that make any kind of viable argumment towards not matching Lin. People with ego problems and BS theories about Lin doublecrossing the knicks and other crap can go jump for all I care. Without Lin our offense will go nowhere and will be as bad as last year. And that was plenty bad.

We actually have 3 actual PG's on the team this year. MDA is no longer the coach. We can get 14 points and 6-8 assist from Felton which is whay Lin was & would be doing in the offense. The kid went after the most $$$ and got it. Good for him bu it doesn't change my feeling towards a solid Knicks team going into the season.

Shumpert two years from now decides to test the market. Are you okay with letting walk? Would you say good for him? We have a very small window and so far the two best teams in the nba are light years ahead of us. Wasting assets is lunacy. How can you be happy with that?

Solid Knicks team? We are marginally better (short term) if at all and that's assuming everyone stays healthy- which most likely will not happen. If we play to our potential we are good for a second round exit that the trolls on this board will celebrate as proof we didin't need Lin and we are now a "better" team. You can't make this sh!t up! Long term we are ****ed since we have no draft picks, no young players and no tradeable assets. Dolan has done it again!

earthmansurfer wrote:It's pretty clear that letting Lin walk was a personal decision, not a basketball one. Makes no sense. With the players we have we are looking at a 3 year window, maybe a bit longer. You don't let Lin go now.

We have a decent big 3, the problem is this:
Melo - A bit too ISO, I do like him though. No huge complaints.
Stat - his back is going to be something to watch out for. Remember, he hurt it two years ago at the end of the season (related to the bulge) and again last year.
Chandler - Love the guy, but he has no offensive game outside of dunks and putbacks, etc. I love the guy - heart and sole. My point is, the two preceding players are our offense. One of them goes down and we are done for the playoffs. We'll be find in the regular season.

We need Lin to be that consistent 3rd scorer. Oh man, what a terrible terrible day in Knicks History. Lowest point by far, not a close second.

So are you saying that Shumpert can't be the 3rd scorer? Look I like Lin and all but it's hard to make a defintive decision on him based on the amount of games he played. Is he the "Linsanity" player he was under MDA? Is he more of a 14 and 8 gut like he was under Woody? I don't know and neither does anyone else for that matter. I'll see how he does in Houston for a season before I make a decision. I would have liked the team with Lin but I do like the team without Lin.

Time will tell whether this was a bad/good move by the Knicks or not.

CashMoney wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Can we please stop with the name calling already? The same 3-4 guys are doing the same thing on each thread and destroying everyone else's opportunity to actually follow the thread.

I think this was the wrong move in every way possible and there is nothing I have read over the last few days that make any kind of viable argumment towards not matching Lin. People with ego problems and BS theories about Lin doublecrossing the knicks and other crap can go jump for all I care. Without Lin our offense will go nowhere and will be as bad as last year. And that was plenty bad.

We actually have 3 actual PG's on the team this year. MDA is no longer the coach. We can get 14 points and 6-8 assist from Felton which is whay Lin was & would be doing in the offense. The kid went after the most $$$ and got it. Good for him bu it doesn't change my feeling towards a solid Knicks team going into the season.

Shumpert two years from now decides to test the market. Are you okay with letting walk? Would you say good for him? We have a very small window and so far the two best teams in the nba are light years ahead of us. Wasting assets is lunacy. How can you be happy with that?

Solid Knicks team? We are marginally better (short term) if at all and that's assuming everyone stays healthy- which most likely will not happen. If we play to our potential we are good for a second round exit that the trolls on this board will celebrate as proof we didin't need Lin and we are now a "better" team. You can't make this sh!t up! Long term we are ****ed since we have no draft picks, no young players and no tradeable assets. Dolan has done it again!

We're good for 2nd round exit? When did I miss the 2012-2013 season? Injuries can and will happen but whose to say the just because we have age on the team it will happen. Didn't Shump blow his ACL? Didn't Rose blow his out as well?

The team is not thinking long term, we're in win now mode. If we don't win then it's back to scratch. If we do win it will be back to scratch. Time will tell. I like Lin and all but are you saying that we can't win without Lin?

NO, I am saying as currently constructed we are far far behind the top teams and will NOT make it to the ECF. Lin would have given us a much needed third scorer and some balance on offense. That may *just may* have been enough to push us into the ECF.

loweyecue wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Can we please stop with the name calling already? The same 3-4 guys are doing the same thing on each thread and destroying everyone else's opportunity to actually follow the thread.

I think this was the wrong move in every way possible and there is nothing I have read over the last few days that make any kind of viable argumment towards not matching Lin. People with ego problems and BS theories about Lin doublecrossing the knicks and other crap can go jump for all I care. Without Lin our offense will go nowhere and will be as bad as last year. And that was plenty bad.

We actually have 3 actual PG's on the team this year. MDA is no longer the coach. We can get 14 points and 6-8 assist from Felton which is whay Lin was & would be doing in the offense. The kid went after the most $$$ and got it. Good for him bu it doesn't change my feeling towards a solid Knicks team going into the season.

Shumpert two years from now decides to test the market. Are you okay with letting walk? Would you say good for him? We have a very small window and so far the two best teams in the nba are light years ahead of us. Wasting assets is lunacy. How can you be happy with that?

Solid Knicks team? We are marginally better (short term) if at all and that's assuming everyone stays healthy- which most likely will not happen. If we play to our potential we are good for a second round exit that the trolls on this board will celebrate as proof we didin't need Lin and we are now a "better" team. You can't make this sh!t up! Long term we are ****ed since we have no draft picks, no young players and no tradeable assets. Dolan has done it again!

We're good for 2nd round exit? When did I miss the 2012-2013 season? Injuries can and will happen but whose to say the just because we have age on the team it will happen. Didn't Shump blow his ACL? Didn't Rose blow his out as well?

The team is not thinking long term, we're in win now mode. If we don't win then it's back to scratch. If we do win it will be back to scratch. Time will tell. I like Lin and all but are you saying that we can't win without Lin?

NO, I am saying as currently constructed we are far far behind the top teams and will NOT make it to the ECF. Lin would have given us a much needed third scorer and some balance on offense. That may *just may* have been enough to push us into the ECF.

Bippity10 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Can we please stop with the name calling already? The same 3-4 guys are doing the same thing on each thread and destroying everyone else's opportunity to actually follow the thread.

I think this was the wrong move in every way possible and there is nothing I have read over the last few days that make any kind of viable argumment towards not matching Lin. People with ego problems and BS theories about Lin doublecrossing the knicks and other crap can go jump for all I care. Without Lin our offense will go nowhere and will be as bad as last year. And that was plenty bad.

We actually have 3 actual PG's on the team this year. MDA is no longer the coach. We can get 14 points and 6-8 assist from Felton which is whay Lin was & would be doing in the offense. The kid went after the most $$$ and got it. Good for him bu it doesn't change my feeling towards a solid Knicks team going into the season.

Shumpert two years from now decides to test the market. Are you okay with letting walk? Would you say good for him? We have a very small window and so far the two best teams in the nba are light years ahead of us. Wasting assets is lunacy. How can you be happy with that?

I'll have to see where Shumpert is in his game in 2 year for a decision on that one. We have a 2-3 year window and are in win now mode and although I would have prefered to have kept Lin I'm comfortable with Felton running point. Lin is not an asset with a $14.8 mil payday.

Let's look at it this way. Let's say Felton for Lin is a wash. That means we essentially traded Jeffries, gadzuric, and 3 second rounders for KT. Win now move?

At the trade deadline when someone becomes available at the trade deadline, what's our move. How do we get that guy?

14 months ago we were one of the youngest teams in the league, how are now the one of the oldest...lol..

Bippity10 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Can we please stop with the name calling already? The same 3-4 guys are doing the same thing on each thread and destroying everyone else's opportunity to actually follow the thread.

I think this was the wrong move in every way possible and there is nothing I have read over the last few days that make any kind of viable argumment towards not matching Lin. People with ego problems and BS theories about Lin doublecrossing the knicks and other crap can go jump for all I care. Without Lin our offense will go nowhere and will be as bad as last year. And that was plenty bad.

We actually have 3 actual PG's on the team this year. MDA is no longer the coach. We can get 14 points and 6-8 assist from Felton which is whay Lin was & would be doing in the offense. The kid went after the most $$$ and got it. Good for him bu it doesn't change my feeling towards a solid Knicks team going into the season.

Shumpert two years from now decides to test the market. Are you okay with letting walk? Would you say good for him? We have a very small window and so far the two best teams in the nba are light years ahead of us. Wasting assets is lunacy. How can you be happy with that?

I'll have to see where Shumpert is in his game in 2 year for a decision on that one. We have a 2-3 year window and are in win now mode and although I would have prefered to have kept Lin I'm comfortable with Felton running point. Lin is not an asset with a $14.8 mil payday.

Let's look at it this way. Let's say Felton for Lin is a wash. That means we essentially traded Jeffries, gadzuric, and 3 second rounders for KT. Win now move?

At the trade deadline when someone becomes available at the trade deadline, what's our move. How do we get that guy?

Who is that guy and why do we need him. We managed to get a backup for Chandler in Camby who can also spell STAT. We have sold PG in Felton and good backup in Kidd along with Mr. can't spell his name right now PG. Shump will be back. We resiged JR and Novak and we also have White and Copeland who may do some damage.

knicks1248 wrote:bip we let 2nd rnd picks go that will more then likely be in the late 40's..

As constituted are we better than Miami? If not, what's the next move to get better? We all know what it is. Shumpert and more picks. If that doesn't create a title contender we are right back to the Shanvis eisleyspoon era. Trapped with no assets. You must use your assets for good not evil!

loweyecue wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:bip we let 2nd rnd picks go that will more then likely be in the late 40's..

They are still assets. Again, we let gadzurics contract go, 3 picks, Jeffries (a big part of last years turnaround), a guy who led our turnaround and helped to resurrected our season. In return we get a 40 year old role player and aguy who consistently comes to camp overweight and whose team could not wait to get rid of him. Good ROI?

As constituted are we better than Miami? If not, what's the next move to get better? We all know what it is. Shumpert and more picks. If that doesn't create a title contender we are right back to the Shanvis eisleyspoon era. Trapped with no assets. You must use your assets for good not evil!

We also used all our available money to sign Jason Kidd so he could mentor ....... Oh wait.

The business philosophy by the current management is about winning now. This is not a rebuild long term organization. If Knicks fail within three year window they will hire another Donnie and build assets again. Keep in mind I don't agree with their business plan
but I understand his vision. This is about playing with money and enticing interest at the same time gamble the team gets hot. Maybe even get lucky?

Bippity10 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Why do we keep comparing Lin to Felton. That is irrelevant. What is important is a front office letting a young asset walk.

If we can't wait for a work in progress, why not dump shumpert for Raja Bell. We know what Raja brings

Bip - what about my question

What did the Lakers give up for Nash who is 39? 2 firsts and 2 seconds

Look at what Houston is willing to give up for Howard - EVERY PICK in the world

trading picks is common and ok if a team wants to improve within a window, or, get a franchise player.

You want to argue that you just don't like the trade(s), fine.

You did not just compare Nash and Howard to Raymond Felton and Kt?

The lakers traded picks for Nash because they think he can help them win a title. A gut that was in high demand around the league. Arguably the number one available free agent. We traded picks for a guy who was overweight, was despised by his team and at best has been a mediocre pg.

That is my argument. Did you miss the point of the post. We traded 3 picks, gadzurics contract, a guy who when healthy can be a game changing defensive player. At the same time we are letting a young guy with potential walk. In return we are getting at best a lateral move and a guy at the end of his career. Can you say is move gets us closer to Miami and Oklahoma? If not, why would you do it? How is that win now?

Of course I DID NOT SAY that Felton is Nash.

I am saying that they gave up alot for him, a hell of a lot more than us. If we made that trade, or included shumpert - which we did, people would be screaming - but it's ok for the lakers to do it. 2 firsts and 2 seconds for a 39 y/o?

There is nothing wrong with giving up picks in the right moves. Is this the right move? It's arguable but yes, I do think that getting Felton gets us closer. We gave up Jeffries who is the worst offensive player in the league and has chronic knee problems and Gadzuric (no comment needed) and 2 greeks who may never play in the NBA and who knows if they are any good.

If Felton better than Lin? No, but its not clear cut - I woulda liked both.