JamesKPolk wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Sucks if true, but I'll choose to remain ignorantly hopeful until midnight. Would love to see Lin develop in a Knick jersey, but as much of a gift as he was last season, losing him is certainly not insurmountable.

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.

3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.

You realize Lin doesn't control the offer sheet, right? The Rockets wanted to increase it to make it harder for the Knicks to match. Even if Lin stupidly demanded he sign the original sheet, the Rockets wouldn't want that. They wanted this "poison pill" contract to make it harder on the Knicks. The Knicks, meanwhile, never made any effort to sign Lin first. They chased Nash, Kidd and Felton before Lin.

And the Rocket's didn't control Lin (yet). I can't blame Lin for going where the money is, I would have done the same in a split second. But people choosing to pretend "All he wanted was to be a Knick, and those bastards never gave him the chance" are living in a special little world. When Steve Nash is available, you look into it. If anything, the Jason Kidd signing should have signaled their commitment to Lin and grooming him for the future. Felton was a late development once the Knicks decided they've been scorned.

Still 6 hours til midnight. If Dolan is as fickle as everyone believes, still a chance he changes his mind.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:It's a mistake to give up an asset for nothing

I can't believe they are that stupid.

Especially since the Luxury Tax excuse has been exposed (see below). It's either Dolan being Dolan or a basketball decision by the GM, coach, etc that Lin can't help us. I lean toward Dolan being Dolan.

One point the Knicks have made is they don’t want to take a tax hit of $43 million or so in the last year of Lin’s deal. But the CBA contains a stretch provision clause that allows a team to waive a player with an odorous contract and spread the remaining years out over twice the number of years, plus one.

So say the Knicks waive Lin after he completes two years of the 3-year, $25.1 million deal with $14.9 in that third year. They could stretch the third year payment over three years (one year, times two, plus one) and the salary would only cost $5 million against the Knicks cap. The luxury tax would them also be in line.

And if after two years the Knicks determine Lin is worth every penny, they could keep him and perhaps use the provision on a different player. Lin’s contract, of course, would stay the same.

JamesKPolk wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:Sucks if true, but I'll choose to remain ignorantly hopeful until midnight. Would love to see Lin develop in a Knick jersey, but as much of a gift as he was last season, losing him is certainly not insurmountable.

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

I know it's been beat to death the past several days, but if Lin really wanted to be here, he could have let that happen. If you're to believe the papers, Knicks were ready to match that initial offer sheet and that got leaked. Is them telling him they will match the offer essentially not an offer of their own? Knicks flubbed this up too, but I don't buy that either party is completely innocent in the whole mess.

3:1 odds that the world keeps spinning after midnight, but that's subject to change.

You realize Lin doesn't control the offer sheet, right? The Rockets wanted to increase it to make it harder for the Knicks to match. Even if Lin stupidly demanded he sign the original sheet, the Rockets wouldn't want that. They wanted this "poison pill" contract to make it harder on the Knicks. The Knicks, meanwhile, never made any effort to sign Lin first. They chased Nash, Kidd and Felton before Lin.

I am so sick of hearing this. Lin controlled if be signed it! Lin controlled the damn structure of the deal! Instead of 5/5/15 he could have said no I want 7/7/11! Lin was not forced to sign this damn offer sheet. The Rockets were desperate-made that way through their own moves- they weren't gonna be able to "dictate" a lot. Have you not heard that Lin and his agents had to NEGOTIATE his offer sheet. Negotiate means he has a say how everything is structured. It is such a load of steaming crap that Lin had no choice and didn't control anything.

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

JamesKPolk wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

You chose how to see this. If you chose seeing Lin as the innocent victim of the malevolent Knicks, there is always the Rockets.

Knicks could very well be making a mistake by not matching, but to see this as a Knicks blunder is being biased. If Lin wanted to be here, he should've thought twice about signing the revamped offer, if it wasn't his team the main responsible for upping the offer. Come on, Lin is intelligent enough to know the first offer was favorable and the second one was a poison pill to the Knicks. If the team taking the poison pill is the team wou want to return, you don't sign the offer and go back to NY to get a similar deal than the first one. To sign a revamped deal without consulting New York, the team you are supposedly wanting to return to, was Lin's mistake and sealed his doom.

Don't see this as a Knicks blunder alone. The Knicks could be missing on a promising young point guard, but Lin is choosing the comfort of his new contract and not the chance to add to his legend in the biggest market, which actually had as much protagonism in the Linsanity story as his good play. Think "Linsanity" will repeat in Houston? Don't think so.

Has sports changed recently and I'm not aware? When do players refuse guaranteed money? There is no loyalty in sports from anyone.

Strange how the same people that ripped Melo for wanting to get paid give Lin a pass

BasketballJones wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

watupmyknicker wrote:Wats Guys I'm The Newer guy around and am pissed at jeremy lin.

But if it was me and we didn't get a offer right away from the team that I brought Normsanity to , then ima go out and get my money and a guaranteed team contract that wants me asap.

My Name is Norman :) that's where the Normsanity is from lol

That is the best name I've seen

Really? Why?

watup!

Now thats funny.

Jmpasq wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

Knicksfan wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Lin wanted to be here....he didn't get an offer from the Knicks...the Knicks wanted him to set his market value. I'm really at a loss of words for the stuff written here ad nauseum without facts.

You chose how to see this. If you chose seeing Lin as the innocent victim of the malevolent Knicks, there is always the Rockets.

Knicks could very well be making a mistake by not matching, but to see this as a Knicks blunder is being biased. If Lin wanted to be here, he should've thought twice about signing the revamped offer, if it wasn't his team the main responsible for upping the offer. Come on, Lin is intelligent enough to know the first offer was favorable and the second one was a poison pill to the Knicks. If the team taking the poison pill is the team wou want to return, you don't sign the offer and go back to NY to get a similar deal than the first one. To sign a revamped deal without consulting New York, the team you are supposedly wanting to return to, was Lin's mistake and sealed his doom.

Don't see this as a Knicks blunder alone. The Knicks could be missing on a promising young point guard, but Lin is choosing the comfort of his new contract and not the chance to add to his legend in the biggest market, which actually had as much protagonism in the Linsanity story as his good play. Think "Linsanity" will repeat in Houston? Don't think so.

Has sports changed recently and I'm not aware? When do players refuse guaranteed money? There is no loyalty in sports from anyone.

Strange how the same people that ripped Melo for wanting to get paid give Lin a pass

How much money had Melo made in the NBA before his extension with us? Now, compare that to Lin....

Melo gutted our team for a few extra million $ (not per year, few extra period). Had he waited till free agency, we still could have given him a ton of money.

loweyecue wrote:Really bummed, but then a team that risks millions on complete garbage would balk at an extar $5M on the best young player they have seen in 20 years makes complete sense. PUKE

5hrs to go