I do not buy the hype that Felton is a better defender, we saw him and he is not. Lin gets to the line at a rate that is up there with the top players in the NBA! That is not teachable, it is something he knows how to do.

If the Knicks asked him to get his best deal, and he did, why not match now? They knew that his contract would put them over the luxury tax threshold no matter what. They also expected the poison pill!

SOmething changed and it was personal. THis is not a good basketball decision, IMO.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I can understand the pissed part but as others have pointed out, in the 2000's a 29-53 team cost nearly 170Million! Money is not the issue in this case and it cannot be basketball either. Lin has more upside than Felton.

I do not buy the hype that Felton is a better defender, we saw him and he is not. Lin gets to the line at a rate that is up there with the top players in the NBA! That is not teachable, it is something he knows how to do.

If the Knicks asked him to get his best deal, and he did, why not match now? They knew that his contract would put them over the luxury tax threshold no matter what. They also expected the poison pill!

SOmething changed and it was personal. THis is not a good basketball decision, IMO.

when have the knicks really ever made "basketball" deals? this is why we are in a constant state of mess.. walsh was our last hope for respectability.. go figure...

tkf wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I can understand the pissed part but as others have pointed out, in the 2000's a 29-53 team cost nearly 170Million! Money is not the issue in this case and it cannot be basketball either. Lin has more upside than Felton.

I do not buy the hype that Felton is a better defender, we saw him and he is not. Lin gets to the line at a rate that is up there with the top players in the NBA! That is not teachable, it is something he knows how to do.

If the Knicks asked him to get his best deal, and he did, why not match now? They knew that his contract would put them over the luxury tax threshold no matter what. They also expected the poison pill!

SOmething changed and it was personal. THis is not a good basketball decision, IMO.

when have the knicks really ever made "basketball" deals? this is why we are in a constant state of mess.. walsh was our last hope for respectability.. go figure...

the funny thing is, it's not a good decision in terms of marketability or fan excitement or starphuching which dolan is usually pretty concerned with.

this is dolan being petty as hell.

s3231 wrote:Best article I've read so far on this debacle:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8168735/ian-oconnor-new-york-knicks-match-houston-rockets-offer-jeremy-lin

The Knicks are making this personal, and letting their emotions shape a decision that should be made at room temperature. There's no good reason to believe that Lin, a better player than Felton last year, won't be a better player than Felton next year and beyond.

This is why I'm done with this team (until Dolan sells) if they don't match on Jeremy. It's a personal decision and this doesn't make sense from a basketball or financial perspective.

same boat.

joec32033 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

franco12 wrote:this is a three year deal which lines up Melo, Stat and Chandler. One year of being in a bad way financially. I can't believe Dolan, who blew so much money on bad deals that had longer term implications, is going to let Lin walk for nothing.

True - with hindsight we'll be able to judge this better- but when has a team given up such a potential talent for nothing? I don't think its there - but this is up there with the Red Sox giving up Babe Ruth.

What is really crazy is that everyone blames the tax implications all on Lin for year 3. What about the 3.5 they just added from Felton? That will cost the team an extra $ 9m too! What a joke this all is. The contracts of Camby and Kidd are 3 year deals too! Not to mention the outrageous money that Stat and Melo will be making.

IT's so dumb. Empty your pockets Dolan! Keep the better player!

Felton will not cost the Knicks $43 million dollars in year 3 alone.

That tax is on the Team, not on Lin. We can trade other players in year 3. Speaking of 3, Lin is our 3rd best player - you don't let that walk.

ChuckBuck wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

franco12 wrote:this is a three year deal which lines up Melo, Stat and Chandler. One year of being in a bad way financially. I can't believe Dolan, who blew so much money on bad deals that had longer term implications, is going to let Lin walk for nothing.

True - with hindsight we'll be able to judge this better- but when has a team given up such a potential talent for nothing? I don't think its there - but this is up there with the Red Sox giving up Babe Ruth.

What is really crazy is that everyone blames the tax implications all on Lin for year 3. What about the 3.5 they just added from Felton? That will cost the team an extra $ 9m too! What a joke this all is. The contracts of Camby and Kidd are 3 year deals too! Not to mention the outrageous money that Stat and Melo will be making.

IT's so dumb. Empty your pockets Dolan! Keep the better player!

Felton will not cost the Knicks $43 million dollars in year 3 alone.

Also, Felton will not turn the ball over 8 times a game against the Heat, and will actually stay in front of Jose Calderon.

In all fairness Lin cut his turnovers down. He seems like he can stay at 3-4, which is more than find for his style. Great pg's often are in that range - take a look.

And in fairness again, Lin was a great defender the first half of those 25 games but the minutes just got to him imo. He can move very well. Not having to rely on him for 45 minutes is going to make him a much better player. The same can be said of our other PGs being able to play harder for shorter stretches.

earthmansurfer wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

franco12 wrote:this is a three year deal which lines up Melo, Stat and Chandler. One year of being in a bad way financially. I can't believe Dolan, who blew so much money on bad deals that had longer term implications, is going to let Lin walk for nothing.

True - with hindsight we'll be able to judge this better- but when has a team given up such a potential talent for nothing? I don't think its there - but this is up there with the Red Sox giving up Babe Ruth.

What is really crazy is that everyone blames the tax implications all on Lin for year 3. What about the 3.5 they just added from Felton? That will cost the team an extra $ 9m too! What a joke this all is. The contracts of Camby and Kidd are 3 year deals too! Not to mention the outrageous money that Stat and Melo will be making.

IT's so dumb. Empty your pockets Dolan! Keep the better player!

Felton will not cost the Knicks $43 million dollars in year 3 alone.

Also, Felton will not turn the ball over 8 times a game against the Heat, and will actually stay in front of Jose Calderon.

In all fairness Lin cut his turnovers down. He seems like he can stay at 3-4, which is more than find for his style. Great pg's often are in that range - take a look.

And in fairness again, Lin was a great defender the first half of those 25 games but the minutes just got to him imo. He can move very well. Not having to rely on him for 45 minutes is going to make him a much better player. The same can be said of our other PGs being able to play harder for shorter stretches.

Good post.

And as for everyone harping on that Miami game - it was the CHAMPIONS - good post by Ian O'Connor - It was like when Pippen and Jordan were intent on embarrassing Kukoc.

Jeremy Lin didn't fake anything in his 15 minutes as a Knick. He tore through the league before he tore up his knee, and in between ran into a Miami Heat team hell-bent on stamping out the raging fires of Linsanity. LeBron James and Dwyane Wade went at Lin the way Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen went at Toni Kukoc in the '92 Olympics, and hard lessons were taught and learned.

People who believe Lin to be a fluke, a figment of Mike D'Antoni's imagination, forever default back to that game in Miami before the All-Star break, when an exhausted Lin looked hopelessly lost. But that night was merely a case of a rookie quarterback running up against a fiercely determined defense. Lin is bound to become a better quarterback for that experience, not a weaker one.

earthmansurfer wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

franco12 wrote:this is a three year deal which lines up Melo, Stat and Chandler. One year of being in a bad way financially. I can't believe Dolan, who blew so much money on bad deals that had longer term implications, is going to let Lin walk for nothing.

True - with hindsight we'll be able to judge this better- but when has a team given up such a potential talent for nothing? I don't think its there - but this is up there with the Red Sox giving up Babe Ruth.

What is really crazy is that everyone blames the tax implications all on Lin for year 3. What about the 3.5 they just added from Felton? That will cost the team an extra $ 9m too! What a joke this all is. The contracts of Camby and Kidd are 3 year deals too! Not to mention the outrageous money that Stat and Melo will be making.

IT's so dumb. Empty your pockets Dolan! Keep the better player!

Felton will not cost the Knicks $43 million dollars in year 3 alone.

That tax is on the Team, not on Lin. We can trade other players in year 3. Speaking of 3, Lin is our 3rd best player - you don't let that walk.

Jon@knicksfan.net ‏@JonKnicksFan

Lin isn't costing the Knicks $43 million in tax in 2015. Their total payroll is. These are the kind of math tricks politicians use...

all this spin coming out of the garden is a major sign knicks won't match though.

crzymdups wrote:

tkf wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:I can understand the pissed part but as others have pointed out, in the 2000's a 29-53 team cost nearly 170Million! Money is not the issue in this case and it cannot be basketball either. Lin has more upside than Felton.

I do not buy the hype that Felton is a better defender, we saw him and he is not. Lin gets to the line at a rate that is up there with the top players in the NBA! That is not teachable, it is something he knows how to do.

If the Knicks asked him to get his best deal, and he did, why not match now? They knew that his contract would put them over the luxury tax threshold no matter what. They also expected the poison pill!

SOmething changed and it was personal. THis is not a good basketball decision, IMO.

when have the knicks really ever made "basketball" deals? this is why we are in a constant state of mess.. walsh was our last hope for respectability.. go figure...

the funny thing is, it's not a good decision in terms of marketability or fan excitement or starphuching which dolan is usually pretty concerned with.

this is dolan being petty as hell.