crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

2nd half of last year: Amare averaged 54% FGs. After coming back in April for 4 games he shot like 56% or something.

What? Post all-star was 49%, April reg season was 43%, and April playoffs was 38%.

you're talking about 10-11. he's talking about 11-12

I think you're right; I misunderstood "last year"

positives to take out of that are: maybe either amar'e is playing better under woodson or he's finally healing from the back injury

also, his FG percentage in 11-12 before Lin emerged was about 42%.

after Lin emerged, despite Amar'e being injured a fair amount, it was over 55%. (and as Fish mentions, the death of his brother, which i cannot imagine playing or working thru)

amar'e MIGHT just need a good PG. luckily we now have 2.

his post-all-star dip in 10-11 could also be connected to Felton being traded away. Chauncey and Toney were not penetrating PGs.

Lin definitely is a penetrating PG. Prigioni seems to be. Kidd seems to get guys the ball in the right spots.

Moonangie wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Moonangie wrote:I agree with both sides this time. Stat was off his game last season for many reasons. I believe he will bounce back. Youdon't just lose your mid-range game. Injuries, lack of PG play, Melo on constant ISOs, Chandler in the lane...

BUT, he showed a serious lack of professionalism on the defensive side, lack of hustle, lack of interest in boxing out or rebounding. So his words ring very hollow to me right now. If he brings more of that Shyte this season, he's a chump.

I hope he steps up and matches his words with some action.

good post. i think amar'e will be better on the floor this season... but i've also lost a lot of faith in him as a team leader or even as a team player.

wow.. dude's brother gets killed and he cant move his back and people think he's unproffesional because his effort and focus were not consistant. Please people.... wake up. I can only image how your (your meaning anyone reading this, not directed at crzy) work performance may suffer after burying your brother and dealing with the pain of an injury. You know whats professional? Showing up to work everyday and giving what you can give. Thats whats professional.

Hey Chuckbuck... Amare is 18 months older than Melo. The guy is an elite player his whole career and has one off year and people want him gone, meanwhile the same guys ride the jock of our other star who 1) quit and addmitted to quitting on his coach and team 2) hasnt changed the winning % of the roster 3) is a 46% career scorer (pedestrian) vs. a 54% career scorer (elite)

I love how people cry about loyalty and players should take less money etc, then when a guy who's been a stud his whole career has an off year they want him waived, amnestied, taken out back... you get the idea. Boy the internet brings out the best in everyone.

I hear you, Mike. But I also watched the games. Stat ain't no damn excuse maker. Yes, it stung to lose his brother the way he did. Yes he was injured. But what I watched on defense made me bitter toward Stat because he clearly didn't try at all. He just let it go.

If you are a Knickerbocker and you can't bring it every game, sit your grieving ass down and let someone else get it done. We are in this to win, not to sob. I sympathize with his issues and I wish him the best. But I EXPECT him to show up on the wood and do what he's paid to do. If he can't, that's a bummer but it doesn't change anything.

No Excuses. Life doesn't stop for sports or for any of us. You gotta be able to roll with it come what may. It's tough sometimes, but men don't sit around and feel sorry for themselves. They deal. And Stat is a man, or so I assume.

Bonn1997 wrote:

2nd half of last year: Amare averaged 54% FGs. After coming back in April for 4 games he shot like 56% or something.

What? Post all-star was 49%, April reg season was 43%, and April playoffs was 38%.

April 43% was 4 games. Please
The 18 games prior in March he was 24ppg on 50%

Over 78 games Amare gives you 25ppg on 50% and somehow you credit him with one good half a season

Pablo/Kidd
Kidd/White
White/Novak
Amare
Camby

fishmike wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Not sure why people bash Amare. If memory serves, after Carmelo joined Amare AND Landry Fields started to play like crap. Why not blame the root cause?

because Melo is better than Wade

Uptown wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:Not sure why people bash Amare. If memory serves, after Carmelo joined Amare AND Landry Fields started to play like crap. Why not blame the root cause?

When Amare had his run of 30+ points for that long stretch of games, he was playing center and was easily skating by slow footed centers who were either afraid to commit and if they did, he would blow by them. Chandler's presence has slowed Amares production way more than Melo has. But hey, we blame Melo for everything so why stop now....

I can only speak for myself, but who is blaming Melo for anything? All Im talking about is Amare's value as a player, and when Amare and Melo are both healthy Amare is so far and clear the superior offensive player its not debateable. Its not, and never has been. Melo's FG% is league average. Amare's is among the elite scorers of our era or better.

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fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:2nd half of last year: Amare averaged 54% FGs. After coming back in April for 4 games he shot like 56% or something.

What? Post all-star was 49%, April reg season was 43%, and April playoffs was 38%.

post all star 2011-2012 FG .553
post all star 2010-2011 FG .491

April 43% was 4 games. Please
The 18 games prior in March he was 24ppg on 50%

Over 78 games Amare gives you 25ppg on 50% and somehow you credit him with one good half a season

The solution is to get Lin into the paint where he can feed Amare and Chandler for HIGH PERCENTAGE SHOTS (which are better than low percentage shots). When that happens teams will be forced to collapse near the basket which is when our shooters pick you apart. The most important of those shooters is Melo, who in my humble opinion has one of the best mid range games in the NBA. You want to sag off your guy to cover the paint or Lin breaking down his guy? Fine.. thats when Melo destroys you.

This roster has a lot of talent. A ton. I still believe in the talent we have here. I understand there are parts here that need to conform and change. One of those parts is NOT Amare's offense. This talk about expanding his game is insane. The guy shoots 54% AND averages 8 trips to the FT line. Thats essentially unguardable in the NBA. Want to win the playoffs? He's a career 25ppg, 10rpg on 52% in 36 games and he's actually won some playoff games.

That is the well we want to tap. That is how you win.

This is usually where VMart posts "fish, your hatred of Melo has again clouded your judgement."

Wait for it... here it comes....