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7/9/2012  8:49 PM
Mray20 wrote:Now when Tyson sits or gets in foul trouble Camby can step right in and there is no drop off in interior defense, great move by the Knicks, deepest team in the league if we can keep JR.

generally, i agree.

not sure if i'd all it a great signing, but a good one.

we have improved two weaknesses with he and the kidd move.

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7/9/2012  8:54 PM
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7/9/2012  8:55 PM
We're giving up almost as much to get Camby as the Nets are to get Dwight
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7/9/2012  8:57 PM
I am not sure if we can still pull a S&T for Kidd now though, if not the have to use the mini MLE on him.

We should call Machado right now and Henry Sims, as they will be their apprentices.

I guess Pablo is out of the equation now, time to fill up those roster spots.

Till plenty of undrafted players that can be used to fill roles.
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7/9/2012  8:58 PM
This is a good signing if you consider what other centers are getting. The developmental prospects and second round picks don't mean anything. Camby for the next 2-3 years is a lot more valuable with the team trying to win now.
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7/9/2012  8:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2012  9:12 PM
Best offseason since spree/camby/KT. My bad. Now add a SG who can actually shoot!
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7/9/2012  9:03 PM
PresIke wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Another bad trade. Love Camby but at what price? Does TD count against their cap or ours at this point? Why couldn't we keep Jorts? And why couldn't we get a pick back instead of shipping out two seconds? UGH

why is this a bad trade?

jorts is a tough loss, but we have no cap space and want to bring back smith (i am guessing).

how else were we gonna get the guy in a competitive marketplace for his signing?

What is our depth chart C/PF?
If Camby gets hurt and is out 20 games? Are we keeping JJ? Maybe I am not really following this but why did we have to give up two second rounders?

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7/9/2012  9:07 PM
loweyecue wrote:
PresIke wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Another bad trade. Love Camby but at what price? Does TD count against their cap or ours at this point? Why couldn't we keep Jorts? And why couldn't we get a pick back instead of shipping out two seconds? UGH

why is this a bad trade?

jorts is a tough loss, but we have no cap space and want to bring back smith (i am guessing).

how else were we gonna get the guy in a competitive marketplace for his signing?

What is our depth chart C/PF?
If Camby gets hurt and is out 20 games? Are we keeping JJ? Maybe I am not really following this but why did we have to give up two second rounders?

If LeBron James gets hurt, the heat aren't going anywhere. You bring in players counting on them to be healthy, not get hurt.

You give up 2 second rounders because you have to give Houston actual incentive to make the trade and because the Knicks won't be interested in developing players for the duration that this team is together.

Depth chart at PF/C is probably STAT, Chandler, Camby, and the Knicks will bring back Jeffries at the minimum. If somebody goes down, Novak/MELO plays some PF minutes and STAT probably plays some center minutes.
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7/9/2012  9:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2012  9:11 PM
Oh and this move in a strange way makes me feel over a decade younger!
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7/9/2012  9:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2012  9:10 PM
Better statement is if Ray Allen gets hurt Heat are in trouble.

Camby was more durable than Ray Allen last yr
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7/9/2012  9:10 PM
RonRon wrote:I am not sure if we can still pull a S&T for Kidd now though, if not the have to use the mini MLE on him.

We should call Machado right now and Henry Sims, as they will be their apprentices.

I guess Pablo is out of the equation now, time to fill up those roster spots.

Till plenty of undrafted players that can be used to fill roles.

Is that the Spanish PG? I think this means he will definitely have a spot if he wants in.

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7/9/2012  9:11 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Guess we had to overpay to get Camby, lots of suitors. Provided Camby can stay healthy, we now have a bunch of big men who can defend the paint. If Howard goes to the Nets he'll now have two big men on this squad who can give him problems, and more trouble for Chris Bosh and Kevin Garnett.

There is also the added benefit that we kept Camby from going to a rival team.

Careful you're using logic which some of the more negative posters on here will be unable to understand.
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7/9/2012  9:13 PM
martin wrote:
RonRon wrote:I am not sure if we can still pull a S&T for Kidd now though, if not the have to use the mini MLE on him.

We should call Machado right now and Henry Sims, as they will be their apprentices.

I guess Pablo is out of the equation now, time to fill up those roster spots.

Till plenty of undrafted players that can be used to fill roles.

Is that the Spanish PG? I think this means he will definitely have a spot if he wants in.

yeah, but he wants a starting salary of 800k, without using an exemption we could only pay him 400k.
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7/9/2012  9:16 PM
Now do you guys see the importance of inviting the top tier FA's that were undrafted to the summer league?

Management knew we were going to pull a move like this, with so many roster spots, undrafted players and their agents would prefer to be on our team as they will have a high chance in getting getting a contract and even PT.
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7/9/2012  9:17 PM
y2zipper wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
PresIke wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Another bad trade. Love Camby but at what price? Does TD count against their cap or ours at this point? Why couldn't we keep Jorts? And why couldn't we get a pick back instead of shipping out two seconds? UGH

why is this a bad trade?

jorts is a tough loss, but we have no cap space and want to bring back smith (i am guessing).

how else were we gonna get the guy in a competitive marketplace for his signing?

What is our depth chart C/PF?
If Camby gets hurt and is out 20 games? Are we keeping JJ? Maybe I am not really following this but why did we have to give up two second rounders?

If LeBron James gets hurt, the heat aren't going anywhere. You bring in players counting on them to be healthy, not get hurt.

You give up 2 second rounders because you have to give Houston actual incentive to make the trade and because the Knicks won't be interested in developing players for the duration that this team is together.

Depth chart at PF/C is probably STAT, Chandler, Camby, and the Knicks will bring back Jeffries at the minimum. If somebody goes down, Novak/MELO plays some PF minutes and STAT probably plays some center minutes.

If JJ is here this is Ok. I don't know that he is
I am not even sure we can get enough warm bodies for a 15 man roster- Tyson, Camby, Melo, Stat, Shump, Kidd, Lin(?), JR(?),JJ, Novak, Gadz or SG that's 11. Can we give vets min to 5 guys? How do we sign 4 more players? Sorry I have minimal understanding of the cap. I am assuming we sign Kidd and it takes up our MLE.

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7/9/2012  9:18 PM
loweyecue wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
PresIke wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Another bad trade. Love Camby but at what price? Does TD count against their cap or ours at this point? Why couldn't we keep Jorts? And why couldn't we get a pick back instead of shipping out two seconds? UGH

why is this a bad trade?

jorts is a tough loss, but we have no cap space and want to bring back smith (i am guessing).

how else were we gonna get the guy in a competitive marketplace for his signing?

What is our depth chart C/PF?
If Camby gets hurt and is out 20 games? Are we keeping JJ? Maybe I am not really following this but why did we have to give up two second rounders?

If LeBron James gets hurt, the heat aren't going anywhere. You bring in players counting on them to be healthy, not get hurt.

You give up 2 second rounders because you have to give Houston actual incentive to make the trade and because the Knicks won't be interested in developing players for the duration that this team is together.

Depth chart at PF/C is probably STAT, Chandler, Camby, and the Knicks will bring back Jeffries at the minimum. If somebody goes down, Novak/MELO plays some PF minutes and STAT probably plays some center minutes.

If JJ is here this is Ok. I don't know that he is
I am not even sure we can get enough warm bodies for a 15 man roster- Tyson, Camby, Melo, Stat, Shump, Kidd, Lin(?), JR(?),JJ, Novak, Gadz or SG that's 11. Can we give vets min to 5 guys? How do we sign 4 more players? Sorry I have minimal understanding of the cap. I am assuming we sign Kidd and it takes up our MLE.

Knicks already did sign James White to a min contract about a week ago.

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7/9/2012  9:23 PM
martin wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
y2zipper wrote:
loweyecue wrote:
PresIke wrote:
loweyecue wrote:Another bad trade. Love Camby but at what price? Does TD count against their cap or ours at this point? Why couldn't we keep Jorts? And why couldn't we get a pick back instead of shipping out two seconds? UGH

why is this a bad trade?

jorts is a tough loss, but we have no cap space and want to bring back smith (i am guessing).

how else were we gonna get the guy in a competitive marketplace for his signing?

What is our depth chart C/PF?
If Camby gets hurt and is out 20 games? Are we keeping JJ? Maybe I am not really following this but why did we have to give up two second rounders?

If LeBron James gets hurt, the heat aren't going anywhere. You bring in players counting on them to be healthy, not get hurt.

You give up 2 second rounders because you have to give Houston actual incentive to make the trade and because the Knicks won't be interested in developing players for the duration that this team is together.

Depth chart at PF/C is probably STAT, Chandler, Camby, and the Knicks will bring back Jeffries at the minimum. If somebody goes down, Novak/MELO plays some PF minutes and STAT probably plays some center minutes.

If JJ is here this is Ok. I don't know that he is
I am not even sure we can get enough warm bodies for a 15 man roster- Tyson, Camby, Melo, Stat, Shump, Kidd, Lin(?), JR(?),JJ, Novak, Gadz or SG that's 11. Can we give vets min to 5 guys? How do we sign 4 more players? Sorry I have minimal understanding of the cap. I am assuming we sign Kidd and it takes up our MLE.

Knicks already did sign James White to a min contract about a week ago.

Ah yes! So still need 3 more assuming we get Lin, JR and JJ. So can you give the vet minimum to multiple players?

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7/9/2012  9:25 PM
Gymkata wrote:
Clean wrote:The only part I care about losing is Jorts. The problem I have with jorts is that after the wrist surgery he was never the same. When Amare does his Defensive vanishing act we can replace him with Camby and lockdown the paint.

Or maybe...the combined powers of two DPOYs can instill into Amare a new sense of defensive purpose and finally...nah, your idea makes more sense.

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7/9/2012  9:31 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/9/2012  9:34 PM
Fucking awesome. All of you guys who were bitching about Amar'e, now shut it, because our front court is awesome. If we can resign Jeffries, we have a front court of Tyson Chandler, Marcus Camby, Amar'e Stoudemire, Carmelo Anthony, Steve Novak, Jared Jeffries. That's the best front court in the entire league. Stop complaining. I like this move a lot. We have a win now team with Tyson, Amar'e, Carmelo anyway. Quite frankly, we should go all in. Let's do it.
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7/9/2012  9:31 PM
AnubisADL wrote:I dnt expect Kidd and Camby to play at a high level for 82 games.

if they were expected to play 30+ min a game...yes.

but they don't need to when you're a bench player at limited minutes.

they are ideal for this role.

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