IrishKnickFan wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Why does Shump have to be a star now just cos we dont get Nash? Cant he just be an intrical part of a winning team?

he doesnt have to be a star he just needs to be healthy

I agree, that's job one for Shump, job two is becoming better offensively.

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Why does Shump have to be a star now just cos we dont get Nash? Cant he just be an intrical part of a winning team?

he doesnt have to be a star he just needs to be healthy

And who doesn't need to be healthy? What makes him any different?

You are right i just meant because he was hurt now

Man! You flip flop more than Al Gore!

Knicksfan wrote:Just curious but how are some so in love with the underachieving and fragile team we had last season? Its like some of you don't want the Knicks to improve but simply keep the same core. While I wasn't thrilled of parting with Shump, I could see the value of having Nash's amazing playmaking skills on a team that more than anything needed direction and stability. How many times we asked for improvement at pg? Who would've been a great fit to mentor Lin?

But no, we don't want Nash, no Kidd, no Felton. WTF do we want them? The same fragile underachieving team we had last season? At this point not even Lin is a certainty for us.

I'm glad we keep Shump and hope he develops, but some here think he is the second coming of MJ and that is disturbing. Make no mistake that landing Nash would've really placed us in the tittle discussion, even if general belief was we would've given up the most points in the NBA.

But yeah, we dodged another bullet, right? Yeah, we are back in the safe zone called mediocrity.

How will we improve this offseason? Have no idea but its looking less likely we will while everybody else gets stronger.

Here is how I view this: Does the addition of Nash automatically make the Lakers the best team in the west? No. It makes them better but it is very possible they go out the same way they did last year. Had we added Nash, it would be the same thing. Does it automatically make us the best team in the East? No. Is it possible we improve? Yes but it does not make us Eastern Conference Champions. No one thinks Shump is the second coming of MJ but the fact of the matter is had we giving up Shump, we would be have been doing the same thing that was deemed "brilliant" last year...Filling one hole just to dig another.

IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Why does Shump have to be a star now just cos we dont get Nash? Cant he just be an intrical part of a winning team?

he doesnt have to be a star he just needs to be healthy

And who doesn't need to be healthy? What makes him any different?

You are right i just meant because he was hurt now

Man! You flip flop more than Al Gore!

I always loved shump im just worried that he might not be back to normal. i've seen many knicks players that i liked have bad injuries that ended their careers like houston and johnson

Houston and Johnson were both older when they got hurt and had degenerative conditions. That isn't true for Shumpert, plus medicine is better now than it was 10-15 years ago.

MSG3 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

VCoug wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Some people hate parting with our yoots since they are ours and home grown - its like trading Cano for Pujols, most yankee fans would never have done it and I feel the same way.

Question:

WHo was the last home grown knick that we traded away and ended up being a star?

Does Nene count? If not, then Mark Jackson.

Shumpert better trun out to be a star now.

Again you represent everything that is wrong with the new york fan

Why does that represent anything bad? It's frustrating to have a scenario like this snatched away. Nash might have put us over the top.

Some people are too arrogant about their "fandom".

You are assuming that the knicks killed the trade by not including Shump and I don't think that is the case. PHX was not interested.

So Shump does not "have to be a star" now.

It's true that that Shump could've been on the table and Nash wanted the Lakers instead. Although reports now suggest Knicks hesitated on Shump.

But to call someone a bad fan for wanting Nash is foolish. Knicks fans have this Stockholm Syndrome thing going on where they automatically assume nothing can go right for the team. If this Trade happened we would've been better off, even at the expense of Shump.

Even still, Knicks are in a good spot. Still have assets to do a sign and trade and still have mid level. They might be able to use full mid level now that Fields is out of the picture.

Oh trust me - I wanted this trade. We need a PG/player who can play at a high level now. Are big 2.5 will not be around for much longer.

IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Why does Shump have to be a star now just cos we dont get Nash? Cant he just be an intrical part of a winning team?

he doesnt have to be a star he just needs to be healthy

And who doesn't need to be healthy? What makes him any different?

You are right i just meant because he was hurt now

Man! You flip flop more than Al Gore!

I always loved shump im just worried that he might not be back to normal. i've seen many knicks players that i liked have bad injuries that ended their careers like houston and johnson

And what does that have to do with this failed/potential trade?

I think you are probably right shumpert may have never been discussed

lol@JC you know I just kidding lol

IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Why does Shump have to be a star now just cos we dont get Nash? Cant he just be an intrical part of a winning team?

he doesnt have to be a star he just needs to be healthy

And who doesn't need to be healthy? What makes him any different?

You are right i just meant because he was hurt now

Man! You flip flop more than Al Gore!

I always loved shump im just worried that he might not be back to normal. i've seen many knicks players that i liked have bad injuries that ended their careers like houston and johnson

And what does that have to do with this failed/potential trade?

I think you are probably right shumpert may have never been discussed

lol@JC you know I just kidding lol

do you think we should go after kidd or felton. Id love dragic but im not sure we could get him

Lin + Kidd is fine.

It is all riding on Lin's shoulders - is he who we thought who he was? We shall see

nyk4ever wrote:sucks for us. don't care what anyone says abuot nash's age, he's still a top PG in this league and he would have been able to get amare/melo to work well together, while also able to get his own offense in there. great addition for the lakers - they have a GM that realizes they are 'win-now' mode, which is exactly what we should be in. sucks for us.

Yup - but unfortunately, we have no picks to trade.

Frank Isola ‏@FisolaNYDN
Knicks didn't get used. They made a sincere effort to get Nash and didn't. Still have Shumpert and other options. Minor set back

Like I said...I think it all came down to those picks.