Nalod wrote:Ebb and flow gentleman.

Donnie had one set of directives and that was to put us in a position to sign two free agents.

Grunwald has been here the whole time and is just keeping that directive going.

One cannot be compared to the other. Grunwald, like donnie at the moments in time have to make some decisions and go with it. They don't get benefit of hindsight.

I fear Dolan is going to panic with Nets recent moves and pay too much for Nash. Raps smoked us fair and square.

Just seems like we all good about the hype. Then preseason we get Media Hate. UK homers then whine about ESPN hate. Then the Hate comes to be reality. By then, we starphuching ahead toward the next season.

Nash is a free agent. This trade crap of moving utes for olds not cool.

My thinking is we have to create a higher market for nash so other teams pay up for him. Its ok to use us for bigger contracts other teams have to pay.

If the choice is between overpaying for Nash versus matching Lin's offer from Houston, I would go for Lin. Nash is an awesome player but our backcourt defense will be non existent especially with Shump included in the trade for Nash. But Nash-Melo-Amare-Tyson looks great on paper so Dolan will probably pull the trigger on that.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Before saying "horse manure", you should check if one actually stated their position at the point of impact.

And please let us not forget that it left us with Toney Fukkin Douglass as our starting PG before the Lin miracle. Or, did GG already know how Lin would turn out?

He brought in Baron Davis and Mike Bibby, who were both pathetic, obviously. The PG thing was a debacle until D'Antoni played Lin over a month after he got here. It was a good move by Grunwald to have the kid on hand.

What's the alternative you're suggesting? That the Knicks should have amnestied Amar'e and started Billups at PG... until he potentially went down with the exact same career ending injury? Amar'e had a bad season and doesn't seem like he's a fit. Unless you consider that in the 6 games the Knicks had a fully healthy lineup and Woodson coaching they went 5-1 and blew out Indiana twice and ended Portland.

Everything was clicking then. Don't know why a first round loss to the NBA champions where three starters were injured and Tyson was limited due to flu has rattled everyone so much.

I wish the Knicks could just come back as they were and build some continuity and consistency. All they needed was a solid backup PG and now it's all a big mess.

If Robert Randolph is to be believed... it's done. Nash is coming to the Knicks.
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Robert Randolph does the Friday Night Knicks music (you know, the music they always lose to) and is like best friends with Dolan.
F@@@CK I am terrified of this trade because it sounds like Dolan was driving it.

Bye Iman. Bye JR. Bye Jorts. Sh!!!!!@T

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

Before saying "horse manure", you should check if one actually stated their position at the point of impact.

And please let us not forget that it left us with Toney Fukkin Douglass as our starting PG before the Lin miracle. Or, did GG already know how Lin would turn out?

He brought in Baron Davis and Mike Bibby, who were both pathetic, obviously. The PG thing was a debacle until D'Antoni played Lin over a month after he got here. It was a good move by Grunwald to have the kid on hand.

What's the alternative you're suggesting? That the Knicks should have amnestied Amar'e and started Billups at PG... until he potentially went down with the exact same career ending injury? Amar'e had a bad season and doesn't seem like he's a fit. Unless you consider that in the 6 games the Knicks had a fully healthy lineup and Woodson coaching they went 5-1 and blew out Indiana twice and ended Portland.

Everything was clicking then. Don't know why a first round loss to the NBA champions where three starters were injured and Tyson was limited due to flu has rattled everyone so much.

I wish the Knicks could just come back as they were and build some continuity and consistency. All they needed was a solid backup PG and now it's all a big mess.

I wanted to save Amare/amnesty for this summer. Keep Billups as the starting PG (no way to know he would have gotten injured - talk about hindsight!!) and he would have been a huge commodity with a 14 mil expiring.

We would have been in a crazy position with huge cap room! The same sh1tty gamble of signing Amare was the sh1tty gamble of keeping him on the roster without the amnesty as a possibility.

Tyson is not Lebron - he is not worth it - not even close!! - to carry his salary and Amare's. Talk about Starphucking!

BD and Bibby? Please!! And, at that point, we did not even have BShitty.

Tyson won defensive player of the year and was the main reason this team became good at defense. I know in a fantasy basketball world that's not important, but I think he was a major piece. If that meant carrying Amar'e, who even in an off year is 17ppg on 50%+ shooting... I can live with it.

Unwrap this riddle for me: the main complaint with Amar'e is defense. But with Tyson on board, the Knicks became a top five defensive team.

Sooooo... doesn't Tyson kind of cover for Amar'e's defense then? Seems like it.

Mark Eaton was a great defensive player too - that is not everything.

Amare's biggest problem is his knees, back, eyes, brain and untradeable contract.

And no, Chandler cannot carry him, even if Chandler had any offensive game, was a better rebounder or had a long career of greatness, not just a solid 2 years.

You are clearly not looking or understanding their position they would have been in this summer - it was an act of full fledged desperation and starphucking.

loweyecue wrote:

crzymdups wrote:posted this in the free agency thread. not sure it deserves it's own thread

If Robert Randolph is to be believed... it's done. Nash is coming to the Knicks.
Robert Randolph ‏@rrtfb
steve nash has agreed to play for the #nyknicks!!!!! #3peat #dynasty!!!!
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Robert Randolph does the Friday Night Knicks music (you know, the music they always lose to) and is like best friends with Dolan.
F@@@CK I am terrified of this trade because it sounds like Dolan was driving it.

Bye Iman. Bye JR. Bye Jorts. Sh!!!!!@T

UGH - If we are losing Shumpert, this would be another bad move, added to that we may then lose Lin as well. LOL @ 3peat dynasty.

I'm ASSUMING it's a given they re-sign Lin. I'm HOPING it's a given they re-sign Lin.

If not... this is a sick joke.

crzymdups wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

crzymdups wrote:posted this in the free agency thread. not sure it deserves it's own thread

If Robert Randolph is to be believed... it's done. Nash is coming to the Knicks.
Robert Randolph ‏@rrtfb
steve nash has agreed to play for the #nyknicks!!!!! #3peat #dynasty!!!!
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Robert Randolph does the Friday Night Knicks music (you know, the music they always lose to) and is like best friends with Dolan.
F@@@CK I am terrified of this trade because it sounds like Dolan was driving it.

Bye Iman. Bye JR. Bye Jorts. Sh!!!!!@T

UGH - If we are losing Shumpert, this would be another bad move, added to that we may then lose Lin as well. LOL @ 3peat dynasty.

I'm ASSUMING it's a given they re-sign Lin. I'm HOPING it's a given they re-sign Lin.

If not... this is a sick joke.

Why must we trade for players when they are free agents? If we can't buy them outright forget them. Don't we ever learn?

crzymdups wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:it would be funny that toronto is now stuck with fields who they probably didnt even want

+1

i think teams should get penalized for drastically overpaying RFAs. raptors should have to send the knicks a second round pick or something.

Agree colangelo messed up his team and the Knicks. I would think he could get a read on Nash. He must have known he. Wanted ny

crzymdups wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

crzymdups wrote:posted this in the free agency thread. not sure it deserves it's own thread

If Robert Randolph is to be believed... it's done. Nash is coming to the Knicks.
Robert Randolph ‏@rrtfb
steve nash has agreed to play for the #nyknicks!!!!! #3peat #dynasty!!!!
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Robert Randolph does the Friday Night Knicks music (you know, the music they always lose to) and is like best friends with Dolan.
F@@@CK I am terrified of this trade because it sounds like Dolan was driving it.

Bye Iman. Bye JR. Bye Jorts. Sh!!!!!@T

UGH - If we are losing Shumpert, this would be another bad move, added to that we may then lose Lin as well. LOL @ 3peat dynasty.

I'm ASSUMING it's a given they re-sign Lin. I'm HOPING it's a given they re-sign Lin.

If not... this is a sick joke.

Dolan is the same guy who raises tick-prices every year. He's not letting Lin walk away...I'd be shocked!!

MSG3 wrote:Guys we are not losing Lin. We can and probably will match ANY offer.

As for Shumpert, I'm not sold yet that he's involved in the deal. Have to wait and see if there even is a deal. But losing Fields and JR Smith for Steve Nash would be a coup.

Lin or Nash, you're selling just as many tickets. And if the whole team starts to gel offensively with Nash at the helm, more jersey sales for Melo, Nash, STAT. The power of the the starphuck is $$$$$$