Andrew wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Andrew wrote:If I'm the Knicks I match Fields offer even though he would be overpaid. At this point the only bad thing that comes of it is Dolan pays the luxury tax. The inflated salary doesn't prevent the Knicks from signing anyone (3M exception), which is what they would have either way. You need to retain your assets.

but is he really still an asset if he's incredibly overpaid?

If he's in the rotation, he's an asset.

If he's horribly overpaid, to me he's Shandon Anderson. Contributes to the team being over the cap for years to come. I don't like it. Fields regressed. Never showed anything in the playoffs. Never developed any offensive moves. No way is he worth $20M. And I love his hustle. But his defense needs work and his offense needs a LOT of work. He's not a $20M player.

franco12 wrote:

Solace wrote:

Andrew wrote:If I'm the Knicks I match Fields offer even though he would be overpaid. At this point the only bad thing that comes of it is Dolan pays the luxury tax. The inflated salary doesn't prevent the Knicks from signing anyone (3M exception), which is what they would have either way. You need to retain your assets.

Not this year, but after year 2, the penalties get much worse, as I recall. We really can't stay hovered over $74 million every year. The new CBA isn't a hard cap, but it's about as close as you can get to a hard cap without actually having one. You can't afford to pay that kind of money unless it's for a starter with the current CBA.

also - but not matching, we have the full mle to use now.

Not necessarily...actually a very slim chance if you plan on signing Lin.

crzymdups wrote:

Andrew wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Andrew wrote:If I'm the Knicks I match Fields offer even though he would be overpaid. At this point the only bad thing that comes of it is Dolan pays the luxury tax. The inflated salary doesn't prevent the Knicks from signing anyone (3M exception), which is what they would have either way. You need to retain your assets.

but is he really still an asset if he's incredibly overpaid?

If he's in the rotation, he's an asset.

If he's horribly overpaid, to me he's Shandon Anderson. Contributes to the team being over the cap for years to come. I don't like it. Fields regressed. Never showed anything in the playoffs. Never developed any offensive moves. No way is he worth $20M. And I love his hustle. But his defense needs work and his offense needs a LOT of work. He's not a $20M player.

I agree, he's not a worth the 7M average, but the Knicks are going to be over the cap for years to come with or without his salary.

Solace wrote:

Andrew wrote:

Solace wrote:

Andrew wrote:If I'm the Knicks I match Fields offer even though he would be overpaid. At this point the only bad thing that comes of it is Dolan pays the luxury tax. The inflated salary doesn't prevent the Knicks from signing anyone (3M exception), which is what they would have either way. You need to retain your assets.

Not this year, but after year 2, the penalties get much worse, as I recall. We really can't stay hovered over $74 million every year. The new CBA isn't a hard cap, but it's about as close as you can get to a hard cap without actually having one. You can't afford to pay that kind of money unless it's for a starter with the current CBA.

Worse...but not so bad. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q23

Right. No bi-annual, no mid-level, can't increase salary at all in trade, no sign and trades, no Gilbert Arenas provision. In other words, you lose most avenues to improve your team. Your avenues to improve team are mini-mid level, veteran min contracts and trades where you reduce salary. In other words, 90% of the chances to improve team are gone. Not to mention the team is paying a higher percentage of luxury tax than in the previous CBA. That's pretty close to a hard cap. No flexibility. Do you give this up for Landry Fields? I don't.

Do you sign Lin then? Because by signing him you are probably already in that situation you described. That's why I think you match Fields, because either way you are going to be over the cap threshold.

Andrew wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Andrew wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Andrew wrote:If I'm the Knicks I match Fields offer even though he would be overpaid. At this point the only bad thing that comes of it is Dolan pays the luxury tax. The inflated salary doesn't prevent the Knicks from signing anyone (3M exception), which is what they would have either way. You need to retain your assets.

but is he really still an asset if he's incredibly overpaid?

If he's in the rotation, he's an asset.

If he's horribly overpaid, to me he's Shandon Anderson. Contributes to the team being over the cap for years to come. I don't like it. Fields regressed. Never showed anything in the playoffs. Never developed any offensive moves. No way is he worth $20M. And I love his hustle. But his defense needs work and his offense needs a LOT of work. He's not a $20M player.

I agree, he's not a worth the 7M average, but the Knicks are going to be over the cap for years to come with or without his salary.

Yeah, but there's a difference between one or two contracts away from being under the cap and being like 8 contracts away from being under the cap.

I dunno. If you think Fields is a KEY part of the next three year run with Melo Tyson and Amar'e... I guess you think about signing him.

I just don't buy that he is.

I remember entire second halfs where Woodson ddidn't play him and Novak and Smith played instead.

Speaking of which, Novak and Smith have to be furious right now. Or at least Smith.

Players and agents are now like... if Landry Fields is worth $7M.... shouldn't I be getting $12M or $15M or $20M.

Lotta teams probably pissed at Toronto right now.

crzymdups wrote:

Andrew wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:BAM! take that, Toronto!

Seth Rosenthal ‏@seth_rosenthal

Good! RT @Chris_Broussard: Cleveland, New York have shown interest in Raptors' restricted free agent Sonny Weems, sources say.

Tell me about Sonny Weems?

What are we going to offer him? The minimum? You think Toronto matches that?

Is Weems restricted? I've seen him listed as unrestricted, i think.

http://hoopshype.com/free_agency.htm

anyway, i agree that Weems is essentially Fields. more athletic, probably a better defneder, has more of a mean streak. just as bad a shooter. probably better at driving with the ball. a little shorter than fields, but not much.

Don't know....I was going with what Broussard tweeted.