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6/16/2012  1:42 PM
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil's ego didn't get stroked...aaawwwwwww...
i personally never liked phil. yes he is a great coach but he has had many HOF players which does help. However i agree with what he is saying and have been saying it since "the trade". These two guys dont fit and these two guys even though are great scorers arent elite overall players

I'm sure if pressed, Phil would tell you that LeBron and Wade don't fit either...


Really????
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6/16/2012  1:54 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil's ego didn't get stroked...aaawwwwwww...
i personally never liked phil. yes he is a great coach but he has had many HOF players which does help. However i agree with what he is saying and have been saying it since "the trade". These two guys dont fit and these two guys even though are great scorers arent elite overall players

I'm sure if pressed, Phil would tell you that LeBron and Wade don't fit either...

well despite that they still have gotten to the finals the last two years. I mean im a huge knick fan but so far the melo/amare combo has produced one playoff win which is not acceptable

Woodson is a Knick, and was drafted and played for the Knicks...He seemed to have come up with a formula that produced a few victories despite all the injuries..Let's give him a shot...Phil at this stage is more concerned about his legacy as a coach and how he can add to that, good for him...This team has lots of work to do to get to the next level...They don't need more drama...The need to play better defense...

MDA was not a good fit with this club as constructed, so let throw out the last year and start anew...I'm amazed how we make assessment on players after such a brief showing...It use to take players years of playing together before actually seeing results...We have a few pieces, patients...

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6/16/2012  1:57 PM
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil's ego didn't get stroked...aaawwwwwww...
i personally never liked phil. yes he is a great coach but he has had many HOF players which does help. However i agree with what he is saying and have been saying it since "the trade". These two guys dont fit and these two guys even though are great scorers arent elite overall players

I'm sure if pressed, Phil would tell you that LeBron and Wade don't fit either...

well despite that they still have gotten to the finals the last two years. I mean im a huge knick fan but so far the melo/amare combo has produced one playoff win which is not acceptable

Woodson is a Knick, and was drafted and played for the Knicks...He seemed to have come up with a formula that produced a few victories despite all the injuries..Let's give him a shot...Phil at this stage is more concerned about his legacy as a coach and how he can add to that, good for him...This team has lots of work to do to get to the next level...They don't need more drama...The need to play better defense...

MDA was not a good fit with this club as constructed, so let throw out the last year and start anew...I'm amazed how we make assessment on players after such a brief showing...It use to take players years of playing together before actually seeing results...We have a few pieces, patients...

Brief showing? Amare and Melo have been together for two years. So does patience run 10 years because the window is not very large on thsi team they need to win now.
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6/16/2012  2:01 PM
Did Phil say those things before or after Woodson got the job?
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6/16/2012  2:15 PM
Ira wrote:Did Phil say those things before or after Woodson got the job?
Phil didnt really say much even before woodson got the job
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6/16/2012  2:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/16/2012  2:29 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil's ego didn't get stroked...aaawwwwwww...
i personally never liked phil. yes he is a great coach but he has had many HOF players which does help. However i agree with what he is saying and have been saying it since "the trade". These two guys dont fit and these two guys even though are great scorers arent elite overall players

I'm sure if pressed, Phil would tell you that LeBron and Wade don't fit either...

well despite that they still have gotten to the finals the last two years. I mean im a huge knick fan but so far the melo/amare combo has produced one playoff win which is not acceptable

Woodson is a Knick, and was drafted and played for the Knicks...He seemed to have come up with a formula that produced a few victories despite all the injuries..Let's give him a shot...Phil at this stage is more concerned about his legacy as a coach and how he can add to that, good for him...This team has lots of work to do to get to the next level...They don't need more drama...The need to play better defense...

MDA was not a good fit with this club as constructed, so let throw out the last year and start anew...I'm amazed how we make assessment on players after such a brief showing...It use to take players years of playing together before actually seeing results...We have a few pieces, patients...

Brief showing? Amare and Melo have been together for two years. So does patience run 10 years because the window is not very large on thsi team they need to win now.


Well Carmelo did come here at the trade deadline, so it's not really two years...Last season, Amare was a shell of himself the second half after Melo arrived as compared to the first half...Amare was hurt during the playoffs...This year, the lockout, no training camp, MDA as coach, no PG, blah blah blah..u know what went down, I don't have to do it all over again...If you think thats enough time and it was a suitable situation for both to thrive then hey I disagree...I'll like to see what we have after a full year under Woodson...Ill reserve my compatibility judgements until then..

Phil is/was a great coach..Phil is all about Phil...I'm about the Knicks...Many teams are winning rings without Phil at the helm...I'm hoping we can be one of them...
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6/16/2012  2:40 PM
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Bonn1997 wrote:I thought Melo was supposed to attract winners to our organization.

you mean like was suppose too?

Yeah he was pretty impressive in that role. I am not sure if it was his reconciliation meeting
with Amare or the fact that the Knicks gave Amare a max contract despite not being able to insure it because of his knee that sealed the deal and brought Walsh's plan to fruition.

Say what you want, but many of the players were excited about playing for D'Antoni. I think this idea that players would base their decision on who the coach was is overblown, but MDA certainly didn't hurt. It's almost always about the money.

As for the plan Walsh had, he did the best he could. A GM can't force stars to come and play for his team. We had the money to pay Lebron, but he had a better situation in his opinion. All we had was STAT and a bunch of young players, whereas Miami had WADE and Bosh as possible teammates, which he knew was the case. He could play with his 2 All Star best buds in lovely Miami and Multi Championship winning Pat Riley. In the end the Knicks never had a chance.

After that Walsh did the smart thing and took a more patient approach. DOLAN is the one who rushed things and cost the team more talent than we needed to give up. Perhaps if Dolan stayed out of it, we end up with Deron or CP3. The kind of player that MDA really needed to succeed. At least with Walsh and MDA you had a direction and knew what the plan was to build a team.

Now we really don't have a plan. How do you win a title with Melo as the center piece? Karl and the Nuggets couldn't figure it out and now we have the same problem. STAT at least fits into a team concept as we've seen from thru his career. The 2 of them together aren't a good match at all in terms of a team ball concept. STAT is a finisher and Melo is an ISO artist. What do we need to do in order to form a title contender with a player that dominates the ball like Melo and basically works against a team concept? I hope and pray that Woody and Grunwald can figure something out. Is Lin enough to offset the fact that Melo is a ball stopper? Can Woody be the coach to get Melo to finally blend into a team concept on a championship level? PJax seemed to indicate that he would try to get Melo to try and be a TEAM player. Funny cuz that's exactly what MDA was trying to do and what Karl failed to do as well?

A couple of things in regards to the former coach. During the summer of 2010 some analysts were saying LBJ would not come to the Knicks because he knew how important defense was to winning a championship. I think LBJ knew where he was going all along but there were some that were saying that. Also, I agree that money was what brought STAT to NY. However, he and D'Antoni did have a reconciliation meeting and that is a far cry from guys clamoring to play for him in my opinion.

It wasn't MDA's fault that there were disagreements. I already posted that the reason for STAT and MDA having issues was because STAT didn't defend and rebound. This was all about STAT failing to do what he should as he's shown since being a Knick. STAT even admitted that he was immature and wrong. Both he and Melo are to blame for not doing everything they could to help the team win. It starts with giving max effort every game. Neither STAT nor Melo did that for the entire season. We get great play for stretches only.

It's been my opinion that when evaluating players you want guys that NATURALLY give great effort rather than guys you have to goad all the time. Some whipping is OK, but you don't want to have to coach EFFORT all the time. You don't want guys that don't like playing in a team concept. It just makes things harder. We've seen that when you have a good coach and coachable players teams can accomplish a lot. That's what we saw last year before the trade and this year during Linsanity. Lesser players coming together and playing team ball. Now if you can also get that from your star players then you have something special.

I am pretty sure nothing is his fault unfortunately circumstances keep coming up where he is a participant. Also, I think we saw some pretty good ball being played when the Knicks went 18-6 under Woodson and had the second best record to the Spurs for that span of time. It also was great never having back to back losses.
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6/16/2012  2:42 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
Ira wrote:Did Phil say those things before or after Woodson got the job?
Phil didnt really say much even before woodson got the job

Exactly if he wanted the job he wouldn't have waited until after the fact. He would've expressed interest and there are ways to do that through the media

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6/16/2012  2:44 PM
Phil first turned down the Knick job when we courted him and LB...Maybe Dolan should just left an infinite offer out there for the Zen Master...
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6/16/2012  2:45 PM
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IrishKnickFan wrote:
Ira wrote:Did Phil say those things before or after Woodson got the job?
Phil didnt really say much even before woodson got the job

Exactly if he wanted the job he wouldn't have waited until after the fact. He would've expressed interest and there are ways to do that through the media

Ya and thinking about it when Phil came back to the lakers the 2nd time he was coming back to a very clumsy team which was right after shaq left and the first couple years they didnt make it past the first round so i guess it isnt fair for me to say that he will only coach championship ready teams
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6/16/2012  2:46 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil's ego didn't get stroked...aaawwwwwww...
i personally never liked phil. yes he is a great coach but he has had many HOF players which does help. However i agree with what he is saying and have been saying it since "the trade". These two guys dont fit and these two guys even though are great scorers arent elite overall players

I'm sure if pressed, Phil would tell you that LeBron and Wade don't fit either...

well despite that they still have gotten to the finals the last two years. I mean im a huge knick fan but so far the melo/amare combo has produced one playoff win which is not acceptable

Woodson is a Knick, and was drafted and played for the Knicks...He seemed to have come up with a formula that produced a few victories despite all the injuries..Let's give him a shot...Phil at this stage is more concerned about his legacy as a coach and how he can add to that, good for him...This team has lots of work to do to get to the next level...They don't need more drama...The need to play better defense...

MDA was not a good fit with this club as constructed, so let throw out the last year and start anew...I'm amazed how we make assessment on players after such a brief showing...It use to take players years of playing together before actually seeing results...We have a few pieces, patients...

Brief showing? Amare and Melo have been together for two years. So does patience run 10 years because the window is not very large on thsi team they need to win now.


Well Carmelo did come here at the trade deadline, so it's not really two years...Last season, Amare was a shell of himself the second half after Melo arrived as compared to the first half...Amare was hurt during the playoffs...This year, the lockout, no training camp, MDA as coach, no PG, blah blah blah..u know what went down, I don't have to do it all over again...If you think thats enough time and it was a suitable situation for both to thrive then hey I disagree...I'll like to see what we have after a full year under Woodson...Ill reserve my compatibility judgements until then..

Phil is/was a great coach..Phil is all about Phil...I'm about the Knicks...Many teams are winning rings without Phil at the helm...I'm hoping we can be one of them...

Facts mean nothing to some here. I applaud you for trying tho

Facts mean nothing to some here only personal agendas. I applaud you for trying tho

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6/16/2012  2:48 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil's ego didn't get stroked...aaawwwwwww...
i personally never liked phil. yes he is a great coach but he has had many HOF players which does help. However i agree with what he is saying and have been saying it since "the trade". These two guys dont fit and these two guys even though are great scorers arent elite overall players

I'm sure if pressed, Phil would tell you that LeBron and Wade don't fit either...

well despite that they still have gotten to the finals the last two years. I mean im a huge knick fan but so far the melo/amare combo has produced one playoff win which is not acceptable

Woodson is a Knick, and was drafted and played for the Knicks...He seemed to have come up with a formula that produced a few victories despite all the injuries..Let's give him a shot...Phil at this stage is more concerned about his legacy as a coach and how he can add to that, good for him...This team has lots of work to do to get to the next level...They don't need more drama...The need to play better defense...

MDA was not a good fit with this club as constructed, so let throw out the last year and start anew...I'm amazed how we make assessment on players after such a brief showing...It use to take players years of playing together before actually seeing results...We have a few pieces, patients...

Brief showing? Amare and Melo have been together for two years. So does patience run 10 years because the window is not very large on thsi team they need to win now.


Well Carmelo did come here at the trade deadline, so it's not really two years...Last season, Amare was a shell of himself the second half after Melo arrived as compared to the first half...Amare was hurt during the playoffs...This year, the lockout, no training camp, MDA as coach, no PG, blah blah blah..u know what went down, I don't have to do it all over again...If you think thats enough time and it was a suitable situation for both to thrive then hey I disagree...I'll like to see what we have after a full year under Woodson...Ill reserve my compatibility judgements until then..

Phil is/was a great coach..Phil is all about Phil...I'm about the Knicks...Many teams are winning rings without Phil at the helm...I'm hoping we can be one of them...

Facts mean nothing to some here. I applaud you for trying tho

Facts mean nothing to some here only personal agendas. I applaud you for trying tho

u can say that again!!!

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6/16/2012  2:51 PM
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil's ego didn't get stroked...aaawwwwwww...
i personally never liked phil. yes he is a great coach but he has had many HOF players which does help. However i agree with what he is saying and have been saying it since "the trade". These two guys dont fit and these two guys even though are great scorers arent elite overall players

I'm sure if pressed, Phil would tell you that LeBron and Wade don't fit either...

well despite that they still have gotten to the finals the last two years. I mean im a huge knick fan but so far the melo/amare combo has produced one playoff win which is not acceptable

Woodson is a Knick, and was drafted and played for the Knicks...He seemed to have come up with a formula that produced a few victories despite all the injuries..Let's give him a shot...Phil at this stage is more concerned about his legacy as a coach and how he can add to that, good for him...This team has lots of work to do to get to the next level...They don't need more drama...The need to play better defense...

MDA was not a good fit with this club as constructed, so let throw out the last year and start anew...I'm amazed how we make assessment on players after such a brief showing...It use to take players years of playing together before actually seeing results...We have a few pieces, patients...

Brief showing? Amare and Melo have been together for two years. So does patience run 10 years because the window is not very large on thsi team they need to win now.


Well Carmelo did come here at the trade deadline, so it's not really two years...Last season, Amare was a shell of himself the second half after Melo arrived as compared to the first half...Amare was hurt during the playoffs...This year, the lockout, no training camp, MDA as coach, no PG, blah blah blah..u know what went down, I don't have to do it all over again...If you think thats enough time and it was a suitable situation for both to thrive then hey I disagree...I'll like to see what we have after a full year under Woodson...Ill reserve my compatibility judgements until then..

Phil is/was a great coach..Phil is all about Phil...I'm about the Knicks...Many teams are winning rings without Phil at the helm...I'm hoping we can be one of them...
I admire your passion for the team because i share it. I grew up watching the 90's knicks where getting to the playoffs was always expected and if it wasn't for jordan the knicks would of have at least 3 titles. The only problem i have is that you make evreything seem all fine and rosy. This team does have a lot of problems. I mean despiet injuries and the lockout this team still should have finished in the top 5 seeds with that talent. I mean if it wasnt for lin and tyson this team would have been out of it by the all-star break. Believe me i want thsi team to win just being realistic so you shoulndt judge peopel for just being honest
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6/16/2012  2:53 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/16/2012  2:54 PM
gunsnewing wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil's ego didn't get stroked...aaawwwwwww...
i personally never liked phil. yes he is a great coach but he has had many HOF players which does help. However i agree with what he is saying and have been saying it since "the trade". These two guys dont fit and these two guys even though are great scorers arent elite overall players

I'm sure if pressed, Phil would tell you that LeBron and Wade don't fit either...

well despite that they still have gotten to the finals the last two years. I mean im a huge knick fan but so far the melo/amare combo has produced one playoff win which is not acceptable

Woodson is a Knick, and was drafted and played for the Knicks...He seemed to have come up with a formula that produced a few victories despite all the injuries..Let's give him a shot...Phil at this stage is more concerned about his legacy as a coach and how he can add to that, good for him...This team has lots of work to do to get to the next level...They don't need more drama...The need to play better defense...

MDA was not a good fit with this club as constructed, so let throw out the last year and start anew...I'm amazed how we make assessment on players after such a brief showing...It use to take players years of playing together before actually seeing results...We have a few pieces, patients...

Brief showing? Amare and Melo have been together for two years. So does patience run 10 years because the window is not very large on thsi team they need to win now.


Well Carmelo did come here at the trade deadline, so it's not really two years...Last season, Amare was a shell of himself the second half after Melo arrived as compared to the first half...Amare was hurt during the playoffs...This year, the lockout, no training camp, MDA as coach, no PG, blah blah blah..u know what went down, I don't have to do it all over again...If you think thats enough time and it was a suitable situation for both to thrive then hey I disagree...I'll like to see what we have after a full year under Woodson...Ill reserve my compatibility judgements until then..

Phil is/was a great coach..Phil is all about Phil...I'm about the Knicks...Many teams are winning rings without Phil at the helm...I'm hoping we can be one of them...

Facts mean nothing to some here. I applaud you for trying tho

Facts mean nothing to some here only personal agendas. I applaud you for trying tho

First of all i dont have any personal agendas im as big of knciks fan as there is. Im sorry taht im not satified with one playoff win i do expect more from this team and hopefully next year it will happen. Again you shouldnt judge some fans for just trying to be honest that doesnt mean they arent fans or dont want this team to succeed
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6/16/2012  3:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/16/2012  3:18 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil's ego didn't get stroked...aaawwwwwww...
i personally never liked phil. yes he is a great coach but he has had many HOF players which does help. However i agree with what he is saying and have been saying it since "the trade". These two guys dont fit and these two guys even though are great scorers arent elite overall players

I'm sure if pressed, Phil would tell you that LeBron and Wade don't fit either...

well despite that they still have gotten to the finals the last two years. I mean im a huge knick fan but so far the melo/amare combo has produced one playoff win which is not acceptable

Woodson is a Knick, and was drafted and played for the Knicks...He seemed to have come up with a formula that produced a few victories despite all the injuries..Let's give him a shot...Phil at this stage is more concerned about his legacy as a coach and how he can add to that, good for him...This team has lots of work to do to get to the next level...They don't need more drama...The need to play better defense...

MDA was not a good fit with this club as constructed, so let throw out the last year and start anew...I'm amazed how we make assessment on players after such a brief showing...It use to take players years of playing together before actually seeing results...We have a few pieces, patients...

Brief showing? Amare and Melo have been together for two years. So does patience run 10 years because the window is not very large on thsi team they need to win now.


Well Carmelo did come here at the trade deadline, so it's not really two years...Last season, Amare was a shell of himself the second half after Melo arrived as compared to the first half...Amare was hurt during the playoffs...This year, the lockout, no training camp, MDA as coach, no PG, blah blah blah..u know what went down, I don't have to do it all over again...If you think thats enough time and it was a suitable situation for both to thrive then hey I disagree...I'll like to see what we have after a full year under Woodson...Ill reserve my compatibility judgements until then..

Phil is/was a great coach..Phil is all about Phil...I'm about the Knicks...Many teams are winning rings without Phil at the helm...I'm hoping we can be one of them...
I admire your passion for the team because i share it. I grew up watching the 90's knicks where getting to the playoffs was always expected and if it wasn't for jordan the knicks would of have at least 3 titles. The only problem i have is that you make evreything seem all fine and rosy. This team does have a lot of problems. I mean despiet injuries and the lockout this team still should have finished in the top 5 seeds with that talent. I mean if it wasnt for lin and tyson this team would have been out of it by the all-star break. Believe me i want thsi team to win just being realistic so you shoulndt judge peopel for just being honest

I make everything seems fine and rosy????....U missed my postings during the MDA and LB era then...Or u might have missed me saying just a few postings above that this team has a lot of work to do to get to the next level, not a Championship level, the next level, solid playoff team...I'm under no illusions about this team...Phil doesn't want to come here, why bother to stroke his ego...He admit it too, yet people are pissed at Dolan...Don't forget Carmelo and Woodson had something to do with the Knicks getting in the playoffs...

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6/16/2012  3:18 PM
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:Phil's ego didn't get stroked...aaawwwwwww...
i personally never liked phil. yes he is a great coach but he has had many HOF players which does help. However i agree with what he is saying and have been saying it since "the trade". These two guys dont fit and these two guys even though are great scorers arent elite overall players

I'm sure if pressed, Phil would tell you that LeBron and Wade don't fit either...

well despite that they still have gotten to the finals the last two years. I mean im a huge knick fan but so far the melo/amare combo has produced one playoff win which is not acceptable

Woodson is a Knick, and was drafted and played for the Knicks...He seemed to have come up with a formula that produced a few victories despite all the injuries..Let's give him a shot...Phil at this stage is more concerned about his legacy as a coach and how he can add to that, good for him...This team has lots of work to do to get to the next level...They don't need more drama...The need to play better defense...

MDA was not a good fit with this club as constructed, so let throw out the last year and start anew...I'm amazed how we make assessment on players after such a brief showing...It use to take players years of playing together before actually seeing results...We have a few pieces, patients...

Brief showing? Amare and Melo have been together for two years. So does patience run 10 years because the window is not very large on thsi team they need to win now.


Well Carmelo did come here at the trade deadline, so it's not really two years...Last season, Amare was a shell of himself the second half after Melo arrived as compared to the first half...Amare was hurt during the playoffs...This year, the lockout, no training camp, MDA as coach, no PG, blah blah blah..u know what went down, I don't have to do it all over again...If you think thats enough time and it was a suitable situation for both to thrive then hey I disagree...I'll like to see what we have after a full year under Woodson...Ill reserve my compatibility judgements until then..

Phil is/was a great coach..Phil is all about Phil...I'm about the Knicks...Many teams are winning rings without Phil at the helm...I'm hoping we can be one of them...
I admire your passion for the team because i share it. I grew up watching the 90's knicks where getting to the playoffs was always expected and if it wasn't for jordan the knicks would of have at least 3 titles. The only problem i have is that you make evreything seem all fine and rosy. This team does have a lot of problems. I mean despiet injuries and the lockout this team still should have finished in the top 5 seeds with that talent. I mean if it wasnt for lin and tyson this team would have been out of it by the all-star break. Believe me i want thsi team to win just being realistic so you shoulndt judge peopel for just being honest

I make everything seems fine and rosy????....U missed my postings during the MDA and LB era then...Or u might have missed me saying just a few postings above that this team has a lot of work to do to get to the next level, not Championship, next level...I'm under no illusions about this team...Phil doesn't want to come here, why bother to stroke his ego...He admit it too yet, people are pissed at Dolan...Don't forget Carmelo and Woodson had something to do with the Knicks getting in the playoffs...

Ok Calm down i didnt mean it like that i wasnt trying to insult you. I mean like i said i admire you passion and knowledge. I like woodson a lot and am happy he got the job. I dont have anything against melo i just feel somtime he could be stubborn about getting in shape and moving the ball. I think if he correct these things then he would be just as dominat as a lebron or durant
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6/16/2012  3:30 PM
There were rumors since last year about Phil possibly interested coaching for the Knicks.
He never once said anything negative about our players and NOT having interest in coaching for the Knicks.
Rumors were swirling that Dolan/Knicks management had to make the first move by contacting the Zen Master.
I think during Linsanity, he realized how things could be great in New York, if they go well.
It is no comparison with The Lakers, with the attention, Lin brings with his global attention, here in New York.

I agree with his thoughts of our team with Amare/Melo, but why didn't he say it earlier?
Maybe, he actually was serious in taking over the job to coach as a Knick, but didn't want to hurt their value, because he was going to trade them.
He wanted Dolan and the Knicks to make the first move, so he could get the things he wanted, and demand many requests
In which there would be plenty of reasons/ requests...

1) Leverage, he wanted to the Knicks to court him out of retirement. He not only wants $, also the power to make decisions and changes on the roster of the team, and to make trades that would fit his philosophy. He understands that Amare and Melo do not mesh well and will look to at least trade 1 of them, possibly even both. To run any system, you need players
that are coachable and trust the coach. With the Triangle, you need players that are willing to move the ball and plays as a team. They use multiple players that have the ability to post up for position and we only have 1 in Melo. Melo isn't even able to post up for deep position and attack the basket, with Tyson and Amare on the floor. Most importantly, with the post options, comes spacing the floor with shooters, and allowing the team to MOVE the basketball, make cuts, and giving it to the open man.

2) Money, he wanted a contract that would entitle him to the greatness of a HOF coach, the $ not many teams would be willing to pay for a coach that only a few teams in the entire league would even consider. Dolan has this type of $ to spend. Unlike LA, the fans, media, and analyst are not as forgiving in New York. They will look to exploit and create drama out of everything. With the many press conferences, media attention, interviews, post game conferences ( treating a regular season game like its a playoff game) and explanations he would have out of his time, he would look to get compensated for it.

3) Like Dantoni and many coaches, he needs players that fit his system the Triangle Offense, and coachable players. As great as he was, he always had the elite players in their positions, none of which we have. He also had great role players in all of his teams that won rings. He wants to power to assemble his roster that he would be coaching that he thinks would fit his philosophy. If he is going to be taking the blame if the Knicks are successful or not, he must have the keys to assemble his roster to his liking. He would also look to clean the house of the assistant coaches, training staff, scouts, and people he knows, understands, and trusts.

4) Control, he would looking to get no less than $10m a year, possibly $12m and up. He will justify it by doing some of the work of the GM/President of operations, because he wants that money, and the power that comes along with it.

He wants to have input on getting the right players to fit his system. He doesn't want Dolan giving his 2 cents about who to target, who to keep, and why it would or would not work. He seeks power over his bosses, over the GM, president of operations, and the owner. However, this would be a process, something he wants Dolan to understand and accept.
Whether he keeps or signs the players, he needs, it will take time to accumulate the assets he needs. He wants the power to make the final decisions on the fate of the roster, who to extend, who to trade, any future acquisitions, with FA and the draft, as well.

The decision to keep or trade
Amare, Melo, Tyson CHandler, Lin and/or anyone he feels would be able to bring the players he seeks back. Then he has to teach the new players his system.
You can bet he will target players like Odom and other that understand his philosophy already.

Many people forget it took him a couple of years with the Bulls and Lakers, with the Lakers twice after he had to rebuild his team after the Shaq trade.
Even with the All Star power, it takes time for him to implement his system, it does not happen overnight.

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6/16/2012  10:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/16/2012  10:13 PM
I never really had any hopes that Phil would come to Knicks. The bottomline is that it is the players that are on the floor, not the coach. They are the ones who has to shoot the ball, not the coach. However, I agree with his assessment about the Big Two. He knows what he is talking about.

The funny thing is almost everyone was clamoring for Phil Jackson before this. Now that he said not very nice things about the Big Two, suddenly he is a bad coach. Ahahahaaha.....

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6/17/2012  12:00 AM
blackisblack wrote:I never really had any hopes that Phil would come to Knicks. The bottomline is that it is the players that are on the floor, not the coach. They are the ones who has to shoot the ball, not the coach. However, I agree with his assessment about the Big Two. He knows what he is talking about.

The funny thing is almost everyone was clamoring for Phil Jackson before this. Now that he said not very nice things about the Big Two, suddenly he is a bad coach. Ahahahaaha.....

thats true. Before everybody was kissing his ass and now Phil sucks lol. I never wante phil anyway but i agree with him our two stars will probably never get us further than the secodn round and that is only if things break right
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6/17/2012  12:05 AM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
blackisblack wrote:I never really had any hopes that Phil would come to Knicks. The bottomline is that it is the players that are on the floor, not the coach. They are the ones who has to shoot the ball, not the coach. However, I agree with his assessment about the Big Two. He knows what he is talking about.

The funny thing is almost everyone was clamoring for Phil Jackson before this. Now that he said not very nice things about the Big Two, suddenly he is a bad coach. Ahahahaaha.....

thats true. Before everybody was kissing his ass and now Phil sucks lol. I never wante phil anyway but i agree with him our two stars will probably never get us further than the secodn round and that is only if things break right

This is what happens when you cross Saint Carmelo and Saint Woodson, along with Saint Amare. You get insulted like the great Phil Jackson.

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