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Better NBA basketball player: Carmelo Anthony or Dwyane Wade?


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JohnStarksFan
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Be impartial.
I can't believe I'm reading that anyone thinks Melo is better.
I'm looking at this as purely a basketball enthusiast, NOT a Knicks fan.
Carmelo Anthony
Dwyane Wade
They are equal
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JohnStarksFan
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6/12/2012  8:07 PM
CashMoney wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Melo > Wade

I said at the beginning to be impartial. After going over this even more, it is clear that I don't care anymore about impartial.

Your sign is backwards friend, the soon we ALL come to terms with that, Melo and the Knicks brass included, the sooner this club has of being something special. And the sooner Melo inches closer to Wade's stratosphere.

I'm being impartial. Starting a team today I take Melo over Wade.

What does Melo do better than Wade....Let's start with the fact that Melo is a SF and Wade is a SG. Melo has taken and hit more 3 pointers and has a higher 3 point percentage than Wade in their careers.

Yup.
Wade: 29.1%
Anthony: 32.2%

So he hits 3 more 3's per 100 shot attempts. You're going on that stat to prove your point? You can wave a white flag at any time.

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6/12/2012  8:10 PM
CashMoney wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Melo > Wade

I said at the beginning to be impartial. After going over this even more, it is clear that I don't care anymore about impartial.

Your sign is backwards friend, the soon we ALL come to terms with that, Melo and the Knicks brass included, the sooner this club has of being something special. And the sooner Melo inches closer to Wade's stratosphere.

I'm being impartial. Starting a team today I take Melo over Wade.

What does Melo do better than Wade....Let's start with the fact that Melo is a SF and Wade is a SG. Melo has taken and hit more 3 pointers and has a higher 3 point percentage than Wade in their careers.

And here's another one for you.
Playoff 3P% for their careers:

Wade: 32.7%
Melo: 32.7%

He's not even better in the playoffs. SMH

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6/12/2012  8:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/12/2012  8:12 PM
CashMoney wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Melo > Wade

I said at the beginning to be impartial. After going over this even more, it is clear that I don't care anymore about impartial.

Your sign is backwards friend, the soon we ALL come to terms with that, Melo and the Knicks brass included, the sooner this club has of being something special. And the sooner Melo inches closer to Wade's stratosphere.

I'm being impartial. Starting a team today I take Melo over Wade.

What does Melo do better than Wade....Let's start with the fact that Melo is a SF and Wade is a SG. Melo has taken and hit more 3 pointers and has a higher 3 point percentage than Wade in their careers.


That's within the context of much less efficient shooting overall though. No one buys crappy ice cream with great sprinkles. A good pt % in the context of inefficient shooting is useless. In this particular case, the sprinkles aren't even that good. 29 vs. 32%? Neither one has any business putting up shots behind the 3 point line - maybe except if they're very wide open.
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6/12/2012  8:13 PM
I just want to say, if anyone who knows Carmelo reads this, by some crazy chance, I am sorry for bashing him, but it's to prove Wade has been better. I do think Melo has all the tools in the toolbox. He just takes out the same wrench for every job, and it doesn't always work. Meanwhile Wade uses every tool he's got, and added to his arsenal along the way. Let that be some inspiration.
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6/12/2012  8:15 PM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CashMoney wrote:Melo > Wade

I said at the beginning to be impartial. After going over this even more, it is clear that I don't care anymore about impartial.

Your sign is backwards friend, the soon we ALL come to terms with that, Melo and the Knicks brass included, the sooner this club has of being something special. And the sooner Melo inches closer to Wade's stratosphere.

I'm being impartial. Starting a team today I take Melo over Wade.

What does Melo do better than Wade....Let's start with the fact that Melo is a SF and Wade is a SG. Melo has taken and hit more 3 pointers and has a higher 3 point percentage than Wade in their careers.

Yup.
Wade: 29.1%
Anthony: 32.2%

So he hits 3 more 3's per 100 shot attempts. You're going on that stat to prove your point? You can wave a white flag at any time.

Only a 621 point difference. Not bad when you consider that Wade is a SG.

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6/12/2012  8:16 PM
Melo is fun to watch but Wade has the better all around game
Knicks should be improved: win about 40 games and maybe sneak into the playoffs. Melo, Rose and even Noah will have some nice moments however this team should be about PORZINGUS. the sooner they make him the primary player, the better
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6/12/2012  8:20 PM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
Melo lead team USA to a Gold Medal = Fact

Wade is a SG who can't shoot = Fact

Who gives a pig's *** about the olympics for this discussion?

And his shooting isn't an issue when his FG% for his career is 48%.
Melo can shoot, he's got a 43% career fg%.

Numbers tell the truth, shooting or no shooting. Any coach would sacrifice shooting for that kind of efficiency.

Yeah a whopping .030% difference. Wade also goes to the line more and hit less FT's.

100% cannot be disputed that Melo is a better scorer.

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6/12/2012  8:21 PM
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Paladin55 wrote:You have to look at the roles they play for their respective teams and who they are playing alongside with.

I expect that Wade would be a different player if James was not on the team and the Miami offense went through him.

Anthony's big issue with MDA was not being the guy our offense went through. His numbers (and perhaps more disgracefully, his effort) changed when MDA quit, Woodson kissed his feet, and Lin got hurt.

Any of you think that Anthony is going to be the dominant player on our Olympics squad? He is not a complete player, and probably never will be. He is also not the leader that Wade has been as a player, and will not be a leader on the Olympics team.

Wade puts a lot of energy and effort into his game, and he has always been injury prone because of this. Seems clear that he has peaked as a player, but he came to the table with many more positives and things he can do on the court than Anthony, and unlike Anthony, he has willingly given up, or chosen to share the spotlight with another superstar, something Anthony would probably not want to do.

You want a guy to take the final shot- maybe you take Anthony over Wade. You want a guy who is a complete player and a winner- you take Wade.

Melo lead team USA to a Gold Medal = Fact

Wade is a SG who can't shoot = Fact

Weak. Incredibly weak.

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6/12/2012  8:29 PM
CashMoney wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
Melo lead team USA to a Gold Medal = Fact

Wade is a SG who can't shoot = Fact

Who gives a pig's *** about the olympics for this discussion?

And his shooting isn't an issue when his FG% for his career is 48%.
Melo can shoot, he's got a 43% career fg%.

Numbers tell the truth, shooting or no shooting. Any coach would sacrifice shooting for that kind of efficiency.

Yeah a whopping .030% difference. Wade also goes to the line more and hit less FT's.

100% cannot be disputed that Melo is a better scorer.

Brother that's 5% difference. Wade gets 100 looks, 48 go in. Anthony gets 100 looks, 43 go in.
Wade's career ppg: 25.2
Melo's career ppg: 24.7

Playoffs:
Wade: 25.9 ppg
Anthony: 24.9 ppg

100% better scorer?

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6/12/2012  8:50 PM
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
Melo lead team USA to a Gold Medal = Fact

Wade is a SG who can't shoot = Fact

Who gives a pig's *** about the olympics for this discussion?

And his shooting isn't an issue when his FG% for his career is 48%.
Melo can shoot, he's got a 43% career fg%.

Numbers tell the truth, shooting or no shooting. Any coach would sacrifice shooting for that kind of efficiency.

Yeah a whopping .030% difference. Wade also goes to the line more and hit less FT's.

100% cannot be disputed that Melo is a better scorer.

Brother that's 5% difference. Wade gets 100 looks, 48 go in. Anthony gets 100 looks, 43 go in.
Wade's career ppg: 25.2
Melo's career ppg: 24.7

Playoffs:
Wade: 25.9 ppg
Anthony: 24.9 ppg

100% better scorer?


In all seriousness Melo and Wade are very similar players if you look at their careet numbers per 36 minutes

Melo>Wade - points per game, 3PT%, FT%, Rebounds per game

Wade>Melo - FG%, blocks per game, turnovers, assists per game, steals.

Melo is 27, Wade is 30 and their careers are still going.

Career wise I give a slight edge to Wade but if I had to choose today, I take Melo and it's not me being a homer.

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6/12/2012  8:58 PM
CashMoney wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
Melo lead team USA to a Gold Medal = Fact

Wade is a SG who can't shoot = Fact

Who gives a pig's *** about the olympics for this discussion?

And his shooting isn't an issue when his FG% for his career is 48%.
Melo can shoot, he's got a 43% career fg%.

Numbers tell the truth, shooting or no shooting. Any coach would sacrifice shooting for that kind of efficiency.

Yeah a whopping .030% difference. Wade also goes to the line more and hit less FT's.

100% cannot be disputed that Melo is a better scorer.

Brother that's 5% difference. Wade gets 100 looks, 48 go in. Anthony gets 100 looks, 43 go in.
Wade's career ppg: 25.2
Melo's career ppg: 24.7

Playoffs:
Wade: 25.9 ppg
Anthony: 24.9 ppg

100% better scorer?


In all seriousness Melo and Wade are very similar players if you look at their careet numbers per 36 minutes

Melo>Wade - points per game, 3PT%, FT%, Rebounds per game

Wade>Melo - FG%, blocks per game, turnovers, assists per game, steals.

Melo is 27, Wade is 30 and their careers are still going.

Career wise I give a slight edge to Wade but if I had to choose today, I take Melo and it's not me being a homer.


The difference in their 2 point percentages (51 vs. 45 last year) is large enough to override any other differences in scoring efficiency because the vast majority of players' scoring comes from 2 point shots. Whether you look at TS% or point per shot, Wade has the edge. It doesn't matter if one or two of the constituents (like FT%) is better for one player if the overall product is worse (scoring efficiency). It's like better sprinkles on worse ice cream.
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6/12/2012  9:33 PM
JohnStarksFan wrote:I just want to say, if anyone who knows Carmelo reads this, by some crazy chance, I am sorry for bashing him, but it's to prove Wade has been better. I do think Melo has all the tools in the toolbox. He just takes out the same wrench for every job, and it doesn't always work. Meanwhile Wade uses every tool he's got, and added to his arsenal along the way. Let that be some inspiration.
no question wade has been better. I still take melo right now
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6/12/2012  9:42 PM
When you say right now, do you really mean *right now*? If you had to win a playoff game today, you'd rather have Melo than Wade? Or do you mean 3 years from now?
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6/12/2012  10:41 PM
This is typical. People throw out a POV, then dig their heels in and refuse to accept all the evidence to the contrary. The fact remains Wade has a chip, Melo has the rep for being a bum. That's factorial!
TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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6/12/2012  10:46 PM
loweyecue wrote:This is typical. People throw out a POV, then dig their heels in and refuse to accept all the evidence to the contrary. The fact remains Wade has a chip, Melo has the rep for being a bum. That's factorial!

A chip is more of a team achievment than an individual achievement but no arguing that Wade come up big on the biggest stage.

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6/12/2012  10:55 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/12/2012  10:57 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:When you say right now, do you really mean *right now*? If you had to win a playoff game today, you'd rather have Melo than Wade? Or do you mean 3 years from now?

Right now. Wade isnt 100% and likely will never be again as he is clearly not the wade of 2009

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6/13/2012  12:03 AM
AnubisADL wrote:Wade's game is predicated on his immense physical tools. Obviously the guy is highly skilled but he isn't going to give you those blocks, penetration, and finishing around the rim without his elite athleticism.

Melo is 6'9" with a silky smooth jumper and rebounds like a beast.

I dont exactly like SG's with suspect jumpers. I'd roll with 20 yr old Wade versus 20 yr old Melo. At 30 yrs old I do the opposite.

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6/13/2012  2:06 AM
Wade is definitely better right now, but in a couple years Melo will still be a very good player while Wade will be just a solid, crafty vet.
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6/13/2012  7:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/13/2012  7:27 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:When you say right now, do you really mean *right now*? If you had to win a playoff game today, you'd rather have Melo than Wade? Or do you mean 3 years from now?

Right now. Wade isnt 100% and likely will never be again as he is clearly not the wade of 2009


Fair enough. I know he's been having his knee drained. He may just need a simple arthroscopic surgery. Other than that 3 week stretch, I think Melo hurt the team this year and would still rather have a gimpy Wade.
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6/13/2012  7:36 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
JohnStarksFan wrote:
CashMoney wrote:
Melo lead team USA to a Gold Medal = Fact

Wade is a SG who can't shoot = Fact

Who gives a pig's *** about the olympics for this discussion?

And his shooting isn't an issue when his FG% for his career is 48%.
Melo can shoot, he's got a 43% career fg%.

Numbers tell the truth, shooting or no shooting. Any coach would sacrifice shooting for that kind of efficiency.

Yeah a whopping .030% difference. Wade also goes to the line more and hit less FT's.

100% cannot be disputed that Melo is a better scorer.

Brother that's 5% difference. Wade gets 100 looks, 48 go in. Anthony gets 100 looks, 43 go in.
Wade's career ppg: 25.2
Melo's career ppg: 24.7

Playoffs:
Wade: 25.9 ppg
Anthony: 24.9 ppg

100% better scorer?


In all seriousness Melo and Wade are very similar players if you look at their careet numbers per 36 minutes

Melo>Wade - points per game, 3PT%, FT%, Rebounds per game

Wade>Melo - FG%, blocks per game, turnovers, assists per game, steals.

Melo is 27, Wade is 30 and their careers are still going.

Career wise I give a slight edge to Wade but if I had to choose today, I take Melo and it's not me being a homer.


The difference in their 2 point percentages (51 vs. 45 last year) is large enough to override any other differences in scoring efficiency because the vast majority of players' scoring comes from 2 point shots. Whether you look at TS% or point per shot, Wade has the edge. It doesn't matter if one or two of the constituents (like FT%) is better for one player if the overall product is worse (scoring efficiency). It's like better sprinkles on worse ice cream.

Career wise, head to head, per 36 minutes, they both average 24 PPG. Wade does indeed have a higher TS% but Melo hits better from the line even though they get to the line at almost an identical clip.

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