yellowboy90 wrote:I think people are overreacting to one game(Lin Vs Heat) and the coaches lack of adjustments during that game. A young player getting nervous it happens. You never know what next year will bring. If the front office is smart they can get good players to surround Lin, Shumpert, Melo, STAt, Chandler, and etc. I guess the key is Smart.

I don't understand it either. Lin outplayed Kobe once but I don't believe that is proof that Lin is better than Kobe. One bad game Lin had with Miami doesn't really tell me a lot. Yes, Miami is very good but remember, even the Lakers and Mavericks are very good teams also. Not to mention that every player will have bad games. Lebron and Jordan, no matter how good they are had some bad games.

blackisblack wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I think people are overreacting to one game(Lin Vs Heat) and the coaches lack of adjustments during that game. A young player getting nervous it happens. You never know what next year will bring. If the front office is smart they can get good players to surround Lin, Shumpert, Melo, STAt, Chandler, and etc. I guess the key is Smart.

I don't understand it either. Lin outplayed Kobe once but I don't believe that is proof that Lin is better than Kobe. One bad game Lin had with Miami doesn't really tell me a lot. Yes, Miami is very good but remember, even the Lakers and Mavericks are very good teams also. Not to mention that every player will have bad games. Lebron and Jordan, no matter how good they are had some bad games.

The Lakers and Mavs were bad road teams.

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gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Why because Lin had a minicus tear? There is a 40-60% tyson chandler and melo have season ending injuries. And 85% for Amare. I rather deal with a Lin injury because he will come back from it then a Nash career ending injury and then still play him and hav it count against the cap for 5yrs

So when calculating who is the better gamble, you would give zero weight to Lin's injury? I know people despise the concept of sample size here but you're giving way too much weight to the sample of about one-third of one season that we have from Lin. People are making statistically naive mistakes because they are attached to Lin.

Im not sure but when you figure out the exact scientific calculation of the percentage of chance of which one goes down let me know. All I can do is guess right now. My money is on 40yr old nash who is do for an acl tear or forced to retire with a bad back

Healthy 39 year old or young player coming off significant knee injury? Odds are a little higher that the healthy 39 year old gets injured but the difference is not huge enough to compensate for the fact that Nash is still playing like a hall-of-famer and we don't even have enough data to really judge Lin by.

Ok, I might buy that rationale but it's only part of the argument and only useful if you believe Nash will lift this roster past the Heat/Bulls.With Woodson, who clearly doesn't care about offense outside of dumping it to Melo - I would give us a 35% chance of beating the Heat even with Nash.

If Nash can't help us beat Heat/Bulls then I would much rather take my chances with 23 year old PG with entail toughness, great court vision and high upside. So it comes down to whether you think Nash is a sure thing to get us a chip. In basketball and especially in the NBA there are no sure things.

RoyBatty wrote:Unless we can get some certainty that Lin's knee is going to turn him into Brandon Roy, I say keep Lin. Like you guys I want NY to win a championship. But here's my take:.

Lin is going to be in his third year; normally it takes 5-7 years for players to find their real level. Lin will probably get better -- maybe not Nash or Paul -- but good enough to be competitive on any given day. If that works out, we will have a point guard that we developed (always a source of pride for me), who no one saw.

Melo has about 5 years more of effective basketball. Stat has a couple. Their contracts will expire just at the time Lin is peaking as a PG; so we have someone to build with even if our current crop of stars age.

So what we will get in NY is very competitive basketball for much of this decade, not like what we saw the last decade. Probably all the way into the ECF for most of those years if we get a healthy team into the playoffs. We got the bad draw this year on that count.

We reduce the probability of a bad team even with this set of players if we find a really good coach that can make Amare + Melo + Tyson work.

So I would rather that we get a good coach (to figure out Stat, Melo, etc) + Lin + healthy players.

And we aim to keep Shump and Novak.

Papabear Says

Lin will have to get stronger and phisical. The Heat will always be there to beat us just like the Bulls and Michael Jordin. We need another super star like Wade. We must trade Stat for D Williams if we can get him or we get Nash.

Papabear wrote:

RoyBatty wrote:Unless we can get some certainty that Lin's knee is going to turn him into Brandon Roy, I say keep Lin. Like you guys I want NY to win a championship. But here's my take:.

Lin is going to be in his third year; normally it takes 5-7 years for players to find their real level. Lin will probably get better -- maybe not Nash or Paul -- but good enough to be competitive on any given day. If that works out, we will have a point guard that we developed (always a source of pride for me), who no one saw.

Melo has about 5 years more of effective basketball. Stat has a couple. Their contracts will expire just at the time Lin is peaking as a PG; so we have someone to build with even if our current crop of stars age.

So what we will get in NY is very competitive basketball for much of this decade, not like what we saw the last decade. Probably all the way into the ECF for most of those years if we get a healthy team into the playoffs. We got the bad draw this year on that count.

We reduce the probability of a bad team even with this set of players if we find a really good coach that can make Amare + Melo + Tyson work.

So I would rather that we get a good coach (to figure out Stat, Melo, etc) + Lin + healthy players.

And we aim to keep Shump and Novak.

Papabear Says

Lin will have to get stronger and phisical. The Heat will always be there to beat us just like the Bulls and Michael Jordin. We need another super star like Wade. We must trade Stat for D Williams if we can get him or we get Nash.

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:Pros: At this point in his career Nash is light years better than Lin. Has the knowledge of the league, the game and the respect to make Amare, Melo, Chandler work. Decent team defender

Cons:

- Physically going to get eaten up by the blazing quick, athletic PGs that are everywhere now: Rose, Westbrook, Rondo, Wall, Collison, Lowry, etc

- How does his back hold up without that awesome Phoenix training staff that has helped keep him and Grant Hill healthy. With Nash, Amare, Lin, Shump we'll have a bunch of players with pre existing conditions or coming off an injury