Just saying.

The blame game! When NOTHING happens!

Nalod wrote:karl was so bad, they traded Melo instead of Shyt Canning him.

Just saying.

The blame game! When NOTHING happens!

Whos blaming? I wish we had Karl - hes an excellent coach. He takes his teams as far as they can go with diminished talent.

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike D'antoni was consistently losing in New York long before Carmelo came.

Let's hear the next excuse. I'll have a good response for that one too.

probably the same excuse for Melo's career .200 winning % in the playoffs right? He didnt have the right supporting cast. Funny how that goes both ways

But Mike D'antoni did have a championship caliber cast. It was in Phoenix, led by a 2 time MVP. Melo never had a cast that strong.

Why didn't he win?

Funny, MDAs first year in pho, those were predicted to be .500 teams. And the year Amare was out he coached a team with a front court of Marion, Diaw and James jones to the WCF and would have probably won if not for Horrys cheap shot. So he did WIN. Funny how the coach who doesn't care about defense and doesn't play centers has a lot more playoff wins then your golden boy. Why is he your golden boy by the way? Because all I have ever said is MDA is a good coach. Meanwhile you have declared Melo a superstar franchise player. Why is that? What's he done to merit that? Great personal stats. We could have that with David Lee

You loss me at comparing David Lee to Carmelo Anthony.

KnicksFE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike D'antoni was consistently losing in New York long before Carmelo came.

Let's hear the next excuse. I'll have a good response for that one too.

probably the same excuse for Melo's career .200 winning % in the playoffs right? He didnt have the right supporting cast. Funny how that goes both ways

But Mike D'antoni did have a championship caliber cast. It was in Phoenix, led by a 2 time MVP. Melo never had a cast that strong.Why didn't he win?

Funny, MDAs first year in pho, those were predicted to be .500 teams. And the year Amare was out he coached a team with a front court of Marion, Diaw and James jones to the WCF and would have probably won if not for Horrys cheap shot. So he did WIN. Funny how the coach who doesn't care about defense and doesn't play centers has a lot more playoff wins then your golden boy. Why is he your golden boy by the way? Because all I have ever said is MDA is a good coach. Meanwhile you have declared Melo a superstar franchise player. Why is that? What's he done to merit that? Great personal stats. We could have that with David Lee

While Melo probably never had super strong cast to win a championship, he had more than enough talent to past the first round on several occasions, yet he only did it once in his ten year carrier. For some reason he always came short.

See File under Karl, George. He has 13 career 1st round exits on his resume. Coach known for great regular seasons and getting you in the playoffs, not much afterwards.

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike D'antoni was consistently losing in New York long before Carmelo came.

Let's hear the next excuse. I'll have a good response for that one too.

probably the same excuse for Melo's career .200 winning % in the playoffs right? He didnt have the right supporting cast. Funny how that goes both ways

But Mike D'antoni did have a championship caliber cast. It was in Phoenix, led by a 2 time MVP. Melo never had a cast that strong.

Why didn't he win?

Funny, MDAs first year in pho, those were predicted to be .500 teams. And the year Amare was out he coached a team with a front court of Marion, Diaw and James jones to the WCF and would have probably won if not for Horrys cheap shot. So he did WIN. Funny how the coach who doesn't care about defense and doesn't play centers has a lot more playoff wins then your golden boy. Why is he your golden boy by the way? Because all I have ever said is MDA is a good coach. Meanwhile you have declared Melo a superstar franchise player. Why is that? What's he done to merit that? Great personal stats. We could have that with David Lee

You loss me at comparing David Lee to Carmelo Anthony.

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike D'antoni was consistently losing in New York long before Carmelo came.

Let's hear the next excuse. I'll have a good response for that one too.

probably the same excuse for Melo's career .200 winning % in the playoffs right? He didnt have the right supporting cast. Funny how that goes both ways

But Mike D'antoni did have a championship caliber cast. It was in Phoenix, led by a 2 time MVP. Melo never had a cast that strong.

Why didn't he win?

Funny, MDAs first year in pho, those were predicted to be .500 teams. And the year Amare was out he coached a team with a front court of Marion, Diaw and James jones to the WCF and would have probably won if not for Horrys cheap shot. So he did WIN. Funny how the coach who doesn't care about defense and doesn't play centers has a lot more playoff wins then your golden boy. Why is he your golden boy by the way? Because all I have ever said is MDA is a good coach. Meanwhile you have declared Melo a superstar franchise player. Why is that? What's he done to merit that? Great personal stats. We could have that with David Lee

You loss me at comparing David Lee to Carmelo Anthony.

youy lost me when you said Melo would win us a title and was better than Kobe.

Really, where's the quotation that I said that?

And why are we still talking about Mike D'Antoni. He was a good coach in Phoenix, he wasn't here. Can't we judge a coach's success(or in this case failure) solely for his last four years, since that's all the results we have to go by? We can't keep harping on Phoenix, because he didn't have the same players he had, no new coach when he takes a new job does. All we got is 121-167 in 4 years, and that's what he'll be remembered in New York Knicks history for.

Because not every agree's with why he did not achieve in NY.

Why Isiah failed.

Why Larry Brown Failed.

Why Lenny Wilkens failed.

Why Chaney Failed

Why JVG Left?

IN fact, Wilkens and Brown basically left.

Do we really need to go into why MDA did not fair well for his first two years?

Bring in a guy who is Point Guard oriented and the best you get him was Felton who played really well for half the season.

Team has any patience to read things proper and you go get Chris Paul or Deron Williams to ENHANCE the system and Amare.

MDA was hired to impliment a system. Not be flexible jack of all trades.

Would you hire Phil Jax and not have him run his Triange?

If you want to talk about MDA not being a good coach in PHX and it was foolish to bring him here than thats one thing. Im sure Donnie and him had a vision and it was to get MDA what it took and if it took a few years to clean up contracts so be it.

Its not really about Melo, but the type of player you get. What happend is the team with a season and a half to go went in a different direction. They should have just cut checks to MDA and his stalf and let them go on their merry way at the end of last season.

Linsanity, while brief, while a small sample, and against not the best teams did show MDA has a system and its effiecent. Same for the AMare-Gallo-Felton-Moz-Fields pre MElo team. Not world beaters but something to build off of.

That is what I remember about MDA. Good coach with mostly a roster not suited for his style.

In 4 years Woodson would have done better because his style is suited for it. But I don't think the team would have been playoff contenders.

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike D'antoni was consistently losing in New York long before Carmelo came.

Let's hear the next excuse. I'll have a good response for that one too.

probably the same excuse for Melo's career .200 winning % in the playoffs right? He didnt have the right supporting cast. Funny how that goes both ways

But Mike D'antoni did have a championship caliber cast. It was in Phoenix, led by a 2 time MVP. Melo never had a cast that strong.Why didn't he win?

Funny, MDAs first year in pho, those were predicted to be .500 teams. And the year Amare was out he coached a team with a front court of Marion, Diaw and James jones to the WCF and would have probably won if not for Horrys cheap shot. So he did WIN. Funny how the coach who doesn't care about defense and doesn't play centers has a lot more playoff wins then your golden boy. Why is he your golden boy by the way? Because all I have ever said is MDA is a good coach. Meanwhile you have declared Melo a superstar franchise player. Why is that? What's he done to merit that? Great personal stats. We could have that with David Lee

While Melo probably never had super strong cast to win a championship, he had more than enough talent to past the first round on several occasions, yet he only did it once in his ten year carrier. For some reason he always came short.

See File under Karl, George. He has 13 career 1st round exits on his resume. Coach known for great regular seasons and getting you in the playoffs, not much afterwards.

I guess he and Melo have a lot in common, first round and done, right?.

Well Karl was his coach for most of Melo's career, so yea, they both sucked. Karl has just been sucking for longer.

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike D'antoni was consistently losing in New York long before Carmelo came.

Let's hear the next excuse. I'll have a good response for that one too.

probably the same excuse for Melo's career .200 winning % in the playoffs right? He didnt have the right supporting cast. Funny how that goes both ways

But Mike D'antoni did have a championship caliber cast. It was in Phoenix, led by a 2 time MVP. Melo never had a cast that strong.Why didn't he win?

Funny, MDAs first year in pho, those were predicted to be .500 teams. And the year Amare was out he coached a team with a front court of Marion, Diaw and James jones to the WCF and would have probably won if not for Horrys cheap shot. So he did WIN. Funny how the coach who doesn't care about defense and doesn't play centers has a lot more playoff wins then your golden boy. Why is he your golden boy by the way? Because all I have ever said is MDA is a good coach. Meanwhile you have declared Melo a superstar franchise player. Why is that? What's he done to merit that? Great personal stats. We could have that with David Lee

While Melo probably never had super strong cast to win a championship, he had more than enough talent to past the first round on several occasions, yet he only did it once in his ten year carrier. For some reason he always came short.

See File under Karl, George. He has 13 career 1st round exits on his resume. Coach known for great regular seasons and getting you in the playoffs, not much afterwards.

I guess he and Melo have a lot in common, first round and done, right?.

Well Karl was his coach for most of Melo's career, so yea, they both sucked. Karl has just been sucking for longer.

except when he was in Seattle with Paton and the Rain man, right?

True, George Karl took Seattle to the NBA finals against the Bulls and the Rain man was the best player on that series, a great series for sure. Sorry Melo, I guess you are all alone now.

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike D'antoni was consistently losing in New York long before Carmelo came.

Let's hear the next excuse. I'll have a good response for that one too.

probably the same excuse for Melo's career .200 winning % in the playoffs right? He didnt have the right supporting cast. Funny how that goes both ways

But Mike D'antoni did have a championship caliber cast. It was in Phoenix, led by a 2 time MVP. Melo never had a cast that strong.Why didn't he win?

Funny, MDAs first year in pho, those were predicted to be .500 teams. And the year Amare was out he coached a team with a front court of Marion, Diaw and James jones to the WCF and would have probably won if not for Horrys cheap shot. So he did WIN. Funny how the coach who doesn't care about defense and doesn't play centers has a lot more playoff wins then your golden boy. Why is he your golden boy by the way? Because all I have ever said is MDA is a good coach. Meanwhile you have declared Melo a superstar franchise player. Why is that? What's he done to merit that? Great personal stats. We could have that with David Lee

While Melo probably never had super strong cast to win a championship, he had more than enough talent to past the first round on several occasions, yet he only did it once in his ten year carrier. For some reason he always came short.

See File under Karl, George. He has 13 career 1st round exits on his resume. Coach known for great regular seasons and getting you in the playoffs, not much afterwards.

I guess he and Melo have a lot in common, first round and done, right?.

Well Karl was his coach for most of Melo's career, so yea, they both sucked. Karl has just been sucking for longer.

except when he was in Seattle with Paton and the Rain man, right?

Aren't they the same #1 seed team to lose to the #8 seed Nuggets? Yea, that George Karl.

WE really deflecting and have on trial the career of George Karl in order to validate Melo's career?

IF your name in the last 25 years was not Jackson, Popovich, Riley, Daly or Tomjoanovich, your wearing a rink. 22 of the 25 with just 5 guys. Phil has half.

Really?

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:

fishmike wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:Mike D'antoni was consistently losing in New York long before Carmelo came.

Let's hear the next excuse. I'll have a good response for that one too.

probably the same excuse for Melo's career .200 winning % in the playoffs right? He didnt have the right supporting cast. Funny how that goes both ways

But Mike D'antoni did have a championship caliber cast. It was in Phoenix, led by a 2 time MVP. Melo never had a cast that strong.Why didn't he win?

Funny, MDAs first year in pho, those were predicted to be .500 teams. And the year Amare was out he coached a team with a front court of Marion, Diaw and James jones to the WCF and would have probably won if not for Horrys cheap shot. So he did WIN. Funny how the coach who doesn't care about defense and doesn't play centers has a lot more playoff wins then your golden boy. Why is he your golden boy by the way? Because all I have ever said is MDA is a good coach. Meanwhile you have declared Melo a superstar franchise player. Why is that? What's he done to merit that? Great personal stats. We could have that with David Lee

While Melo probably never had super strong cast to win a championship, he had more than enough talent to past the first round on several occasions, yet he only did it once in his ten year carrier. For some reason he always came short.

See File under Karl, George. He has 13 career 1st round exits on his resume. Coach known for great regular seasons and getting you in the playoffs, not much afterwards.

I guess he and Melo have a lot in common, first round and done, right?.

Well Karl was his coach for most of Melo's career, so yea, they both sucked. Karl has just been sucking for longer.

except when he was in Seattle with Paton and the Rain man, right?

Aren't they the same #1 seed team to lose to the #8 seed Nuggets? Yea, that George Karl.

WE really deflecting and have on trial the career of George Karl in order to validate Melo's career?

IF your name in the last 25 years was not Jackson, Popovich, Riley, Daly or Tomjoanovich, your wearing a rink. 22 of the 25 with just 5 guys. Phil has half.

Really?

So you ARE saying coaching along with having the right talent wins championships, correct? Jordan and Kobe didn't win without Phil. Rick Carlisle had the perfect storm of the right amount of coaching with the peak of Nowitzki with the perfect role players around him. George Karl has been known to feud with alot of good players, so not sure why people put this guy on a pedestal.

Player Feuds:

Kendall Gill
Shawn Kemp
Glenn Robinson
Ray Allen (Traded an in his prime Ray Allen for an over the hill Gary Payton!!!)
JR Smith
Carmelo Anthony
Paul Pierce(USA Basketball)

Coach/Owner Feuds:

Isiah Thomas
Doc Rivers
Mark Cuban

The guy has won alot. Made it to an NBA Finals once. His overall playoff history is pretty dismal, no matter the star caliber players he's had. Had the #1 seeded Western team with 60+ win seasons a couple times only to fail completely. I'd pin any talk of Melo's playoff history in Denver on the coach.

Nalod wrote:
Its a players league. Usually the coach goes.

Payton was a better player than Allen at that stage.

Wrong. Allen was 27 entering his prime, Payton was 35 on the decline. Allen upped his scoring average in Seattle after this trade for 4 consecutive seasons from 22 pts/gm to 26 pts/gm before he got traded to Boston. Payton's season scoring average post trade went from 20 pts/gm with Milwaukee to 14 pts/gm with the Lakers to 11 pts/gm with Boston to 7 pts/gm with Miami.