Why?

Jordan OWNS (majority) his team. Isiah got fired from FIU and thinks he did a good job.

Isiah had one good year as a coach in Indiana.

Jordan as executive sucks.

But if your gonna suck, suck with your own team.

You don't get fired from owning your own team. YOu can sell it. If you make a profit, you win!

Most NBA teams sell for more.

Nalod wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Camby was frail then.

McDyess played only 10 games the season prior because of the severe injury, and still Layden pulled the trigger to the draft day horrendous worst trade ever by Knicks management. The guy blew out his Patellar Tendon! Guy never was the same after that. And you trade a #7 overall pick who many thought was a can't miss big man as well as young 24 yr old Camby for a guy with no Patella?

P.S. - A few years later Marcus Camby won the defensive player of the year in Denver. Nene also went on to have a solid career in Denver.

P.S.S. - Shortly after, Antonio McDyess was traded for Stephon Marbury....HOLY SHIT BALLS!!

It happens. In Layden's world.

Without the benefit of hindsight look at the facts:

Dice was cleared medically and it was the other knee that blew out. If he stays healthy Dolan gets his starphuch centerpiece. Sound familiar?

Did anyone know AT THAT TIME Camby as a 29 year old would begin the second wind of his career and prove to be a defensive player and durable?

Did anyone think Nene Hilario would be a great player? Oh, wait, he isn't.

With the benefit of hindsight Denver hits a freaking home run with Amare. They draft Hilaro at the 7th and Skeeter 5th. Maybe they don't get a shot at drafting Melo after?

BTW, 2002 drafte was a disaster! http://www.basketballreference.com/draft/draftyear.htm?yr=2002&lg=N
Dude, go in the moment.

And don't forget you have a very proactive starphuch owner who has to very much be on board with signing off on the Max Dice deal.

My take? Look at the moment in time without the benefit of hindsight.

We did something very similar with Amare! Uninsured contract with a guy that has had microfracture on his knees and a detached retna. Goggles off and pokey in the eye and he is done!

Dolan takes risks. Maybe one day it pans out.

With Dolans help, he can make anyone look worse.

Im not defending Layden, Im defending the facts and how it came to be.

I would have loved to have watched a Knick team with an uninjured Antonio McDyess, and an knee-problem free Allan Houston at it's core. A pity we never got to see it due to the injuries.

I know it's been said many times, but I still shake my head at that trade- it completely sunk us for years to come. Patella tendon injuries are one of the worst injuries a bball player can have- it was crazy to ignore it. I remember at the time experts saying that that injury could lead to weakness in the other knee, which may have contributed to him breaking it with us. (either way playing him over 30 mins in a preseason game was yet another typical Knick mistake, of impatiently playing players into their graves for a quick win).

To think we could have had a front court of Camby and newly drafted Amar'e in his prime, instead of the crap we ended up with in the Layden, IT years...

Nalod wrote:Isiah still is worse than Jordan.

Why?

Jordan OWNS (majority) his team. Isiah got fired from FIU and thinks he did a good job.

Isiah had one good year as a coach in Indiana.

Jordan as executive sucks.

But if your gonna suck, suck with your own team.

You don't get fired from owning your own team. YOu can sell it. If you make a profit, you win!

Most NBA teams sell for more.

Papabear Says

The Knicks haven't won anything in 40 years Isiah was with the knick for 3 - 4 years? Sure he was forced to win now and it didn't work. So he is a bad coach or GM. But he damn sure was a great point guard. I wish that he was our point guard.Get over Isaih all of the players love him. We have a lot of blame to go around for the Knicks not winning championships. When Ewing was here we should have spent the money and got the best players around Ewing.

Anji wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:If it was ever possible to make Isiah look worse for the Balkman pick, Rondo is doing it now. Isiah is the poster child for horrific execs. His attempt to look brilliant in the Balk draft backfired and is another area where he damaged the teams future for many years.

Rondo wasn't the point guard everyone was crying for that year, Marcus Williams was. If anybody knew Rondo would be this good he would have been a top 5 pick.

Nalod wrote:Rondo on that team with veteran leadership was perfect for him.

Rondo on our rag tag group in NYC would have been a head case.

He is a borderline nutjob as it is. Im convinced he never would have succeeded as a Knick.

Papabear wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Nalod wrote:Isiah still is worse than Jordan.

Why?

Jordan OWNS (majority) his team. Isiah got fired from FIU and thinks he did a good job.

Isiah had one good year as a coach in Indiana.

Jordan as executive sucks.

But if your gonna suck, suck with your own team.

You don't get fired from owning your own team. YOu can sell it. If you make a profit, you win!

Most NBA teams sell for more.

Papabear Says

The Knicks haven't won anything in 40 years Isiah was with the knick for 3 - 4 years? Sure he was forced to win now and it didn't work. So he is a bad coach or GM. But he damn sure was a great point guard. I wish that he was our point guard.Get over Isaih all of the players love him. We have a lot of blame to go around for the Knicks not winning championships. When Ewing was here we should have spent the money and got the best players around Ewing.

Why are you always going out of your way to defend Isiah? Is it because you were a big supporter of his during his time here? Time doesn't heal wounds and neither does revisionist history.

Papabear Says

Man if you are still going through the Isiah hate thing I feel sorry for you. How much money did you make or loose because of Isiah. Sure I was pissed of at Isiah too. The difference between me and you is that I know that he alone didn't bring the Knicks down. They went down long before that. They gave Ewing away. Was that Isaih's fault?? Hell no!! Another thing you must remember. All of those players including the coaches got paid well to do a job that they didn't do. So just move on Isaih didn't destroy the Knicks. He played a part but they was destroyed long before that.

Why do you keep excusing Isiah? You're excusing him! You throw in the "yeah he was bad" thing but you don't believe it because you constantly excuse the man for being an utter failure in 5 years here. Nobody said Isiah is the reason the Knicks have won 1 playoff game in 13 years. We all know Dolan is the main problem. But Isiah was a big part of this decade of ineptitude and he made a number of blunders that hurt us during his time here and even after he was gone. If you can't admit that he failed badly at his job and sunk the Knicks from just a bad team to an awful joke of the league then you're not admitting reality.

JamesKPolk wrote:

Papabear wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Nalod wrote:Isiah still is worse than Jordan.

Why?

Jordan OWNS (majority) his team. Isiah got fired from FIU and thinks he did a good job.

Isiah had one good year as a coach in Indiana.

Jordan as executive sucks.

But if your gonna suck, suck with your own team.

You don't get fired from owning your own team. YOu can sell it. If you make a profit, you win!

Most NBA teams sell for more.

Papabear Says

The Knicks haven't won anything in 40 years Isiah was with the knick for 3 - 4 years? Sure he was forced to win now and it didn't work. So he is a bad coach or GM. But he damn sure was a great point guard. I wish that he was our point guard.Get over Isaih all of the players love him. We have a lot of blame to go around for the Knicks not winning championships. When Ewing was here we should have spent the money and got the best players around Ewing.

Why are you always going out of your way to defend Isiah? Is it because you were a big supporter of his during his time here? Time doesn't heal wounds and neither does revisionist history.

Papabear Says

Man if you are still going through the Isiah hate thing I feel sorry for you. How much money did you make or loose because of Isiah. Sure I was pissed of at Isiah too. The difference between me and you is that I know that he alone didn't bring the Knicks down. They went down long before that. They gave Ewing away. Was that Isaih's fault?? Hell no!! Another thing you must remember. All of those players including the coaches got paid well to do a job that they didn't do. So just move on Isaih didn't destroy the Knicks. He played a part but they was destroyed long before that.

Why do you keep excusing Isiah? You're excusing him! You throw in the "yeah he was bad" thing but you don't believe it because you constantly excuse the man for being an utter failure in 5 years here. Nobody said Isiah is the reason the Knicks have won 1 playoff game in 13 years. We all know Dolan is the main problem. But Isiah was a big part of this decade of ineptitude and he made a number of blunders that hurt us during his time here and even after he was gone. If you can't admit that he failed badly at his job and sunk the Knicks from just a bad team to an awful joke of the league then you're not admitting reality.

Have to agree. It wasn't just about the wins and losses, and there were plenty. It was also the fact that he was too often about as classless as they come. There was a reason he was left off the original Dream Team and Karl Malone put him down hard. He was an AH, plain and simple. Isiah threw his own daughter under the bus when he overdosed on pills. The sexual harassment, the constantly blaming others for his own failures.

Layden and Thomas were two of the worst executives in NBA history. What really set Thomas apart was that he was for the most part a sorry excuse for a human being. Combine that with his record as a coach and executive and you have someone I hope never comes near the garden again, even to sell his crappy popcorn in the stands.