Harden went to INTENTIONALLY body Artest and got chin checked. Not a big deal. Next time Harden will learn.

fishmike wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Fishmike - normally when I see elbows being thrown, which is every game, it's more of a body twist with bent elbow. What artist did was not that. His was more of a martial arts like stab. Hard to describe but much more violent imo.

He will probably get 5 games and I would not be shocked if it was more. He is lucky he didn't catch a more vulnerable part of the skull, like the side. He really could have killed him if it was to the temple.

oh I agree... your 100% right. But guys here are putting Artest's elbows up there with baby killers and Nazi skinheads. It was a shady move yea, but the drama seems overboard to me, thats all.

I watched it for the 10th time.

Why after a guy throws down a big dunk and is pumping his fists is Harden sticking his face in Ron's grill?

Im not defending Artest. It was dirty, shady, all that... but lifetime bans? The Knicks of the 90s did the same stuff, all the time. But when your hitting the Bulls its ok. Man remember how Phil Jax used to whine about it?

Please.. its sports. Its heat of the moment also. Not like he waited for Harden, then came after him with a 2x4, then choked him and had to be separated. Oh wait.. thats Spree and we love him.

The worse thing about that elbow was it connected.

At least you are consistent in sticking to/with the guys you like no matter what they do wrong

Meta World Peace didn't even look at the guy when he was swinging his elbows. He didn't mean it but he did it. To me Bynum's foul last year was far worse because he intended to do harm. He can't get suspended more than Bynum and if they do then they are making an example of him for his past misdeeds. I'm sure the league met with Meta. The only thing was meta should have showed concern for the player, maybe got down on his knees and tried to help him. Show some compasion.

nykshaknbake wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:The Ron Artest foul on Harden wasn't that bad. Guys throw elbows ALL the time. Melo is NOTORIOUS for swinging his elbows when he grabs a rebound.

With that said Bynum's foul on JJ Barea was FAR worse and he only got suspended a few games.

All the time? That's why there is such a big concussion problem in the NBA. No what Artest did was about 100 miles from the typical clear some space elbow. He came from way above and instead of the body twist and loose elbow this was directed and he followed through. It's hard to say it wasn't intentional after an impact like that which he defeinety would have felt and instead just kept going.

I have to agree. I think the elbow throws are a part of the NBA game that should be curtailed. But MWP directed his elbow to cause harm, it wasn't a simple clear out. He put the smack down on Harden as retribution and should be punished accordingly. Since the injury was serious (concussion) he should be done for the season. Protecting the health and well-being of the players should come before every other consideration.

smackeddog wrote:

aienjell wrote:It looks so brutal when you look at it in slow motion, his mental problems make him dangerous to other players. He has a history of violence and then this, should't be allowed to play again. MEGA WORLD WAR is an animal.

What serious harm has he done in all his years in the league?

sealy wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:That elbow reminded me of this punch.

wow that is horrendous! Whatever happened to that ref?

That is one of the most sickening thing that I have seen in sports - I hope that POS kid got jail time. I am sure he was a nice guy too. That's what can happen when screws are lose.

nyshakespeare wrote:

This elbow from KG earned him a one game suspension during the playoffs.
Same year they were able to advance to the finals against the Lakers.
Really don't think Artest deserved more than two games.

The intent does not look the same and it was in the middle of a melee - I hate garnett but very different circumstance.

nyshakespeare wrote:

This elbow from KG earned him a one game suspension during the playoffs.
Same year they were able to advance to the finals against the Lakers.
Really don't think Artest deserved more than two games.

In what world is pushing someone in the chest with your elbow the same thing as elbowing someone in the head as hard as you can?

ChuckBuck wrote:7 games is fair in my opinion. 2 would've been too light, 7 essentially means the Lakers will be without MWP for the first round of the playoffs. The league had to send a message to all players that any kind of blows to the head are not to be tolerated. He seriously has to look in the mirror, go to a therapist, do something.

The league has to protect its players. I don't think 7 games is sufficient to do that.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Fishmike - normally when I see elbows being thrown, which is every game, it's more of a body twist with bent elbow. What artist did was not that. His was more of a martial arts like stab. Hard to describe but much more violent imo.

He will probably get 5 games and I would not be shocked if it was more. He is lucky he didn't catch a more vulnerable part of the skull, like the side. He really could have killed him if it was to the temple.

oh I agree... your 100% right. But guys here are putting Artest's elbows up there with baby killers and Nazi skinheads. It was a shady move yea, but the drama seems overboard to me, thats all.

I watched it for the 10th time.

Why after a guy throws down a big dunk and is pumping his fists is Harden sticking his face in Ron's grill?

Im not defending Artest. It was dirty, shady, all that... but lifetime bans? The Knicks of the 90s did the same stuff, all the time. But when your hitting the Bulls its ok. Man remember how Phil Jax used to whine about it?

Please.. its sports. Its heat of the moment also. Not like he waited for Harden, then came after him with a 2x4, then choked him and had to be separated. Oh wait.. thats Spree and we love him.

The worse thing about that elbow was it connected.

Knicks did not do the same thing. Let's get that straight I don't ever recall any Knicks of the 90s do what Artest did.

Do you know what the no layup rule was?

What are we getting straight again?

Knicks of the 90s were thugs. Please. Riley molded them after the bad boys Pistons.

You have a pretty limited memory if you dont remember the Knicks drilling opposing players constantly. It was pre internet/youtube/etc so it didnt get splashed every which place under kingdom come.