mrKnickShot wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:To win a title you need Amare and Carmelo playing well together. Can't hide from that by putting Amare on the becnh. You have to put them in the starting line-up together and see if they can make it work. If not, then you have to split up the pairing in the offseason. If these two can't learn to excel together then we are just another team that can compete with anyone, but won't win the title

Amare may come back against Cavs. That's 5 games left in the season. After coming back from a back injury.

Is this really the time to do this type of evaluation?

If it was mid-season, I would agree. But this should be about trying to get right and do what's best for playoffs?

Yes, it is never too early. This isn't an evaluation. This isn't an experiment. This is a necessity. The goal is to win a title. To win a title against the top teams in the NBA we need these guys working well together. Never too early to get them working together. We are not beating Miami/Chicago four games if Amare isn't performing.

If he comes back and his jumper is falling, we are miles better then we have now with Fields. And, many more rebounds which is a dire need against Chi/Mia.

If we start running plays for him in the high post and/or his shot is not falling we are screwed. We can not have him clogging up what Melo is doing.

I think Amare comes back and he plays mostly off of Melo. I think this team is going to mix him into what they are doing instead of forcing on the team as an equal to the number1 option Melo.

JamesKPolk wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Carmelo is not a long-term option at PF, Especially in the playoffs.

Yeah, both he and the team look terrible with him at PF, especially against playoff level teams.

10 game sample size does not make a season. Carmelo Anthony is not a power forward and is the reason why we're getting outrebounded in nearly every game since Amare went down. His position is and always will be SF. He will be able to use his strengths more in that position than at his current one. It doesn't matter what Carmelo is doing now at PF because he would play the exact same way at SF had someone else been starting at PF for Amare. Right now it's the Carmelo show and it has nothing to do with his position. He's still playing the same way, the position change didn't do anything.

Bonn hates small sample sizes.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:That's it! Start Stat at C and bring Tyson off the bench!

This is not the Yankees. Stat is not DH'ing.
He's going to start. There are max $100 million reasons why.
Welcome to reality.

You don't bring in a CEO and pay him bazillions to run for coffee when the board meetings start.

This, in case everyone forgot the lockout, is a business.

Tyson's too good to come off the bench. Amare isn't. I thought this was about winning, not justifying salaries. Justifying Amare's salary is mission impossible. Organizations that put winning first will put players like Ginobili and Ray Allen on the bench if they believe that's the better fit.

The Tyson coming off the bench comment was sarcasm without smileys.

Ginobli and Ray Allen have max contracts? There is no such thing as justification of NBA salaries; it's about business. You. Don't. Pay. Someone. $100 Million. To. Sit. On. The. Bench. One. Year. Into. The. Contract.

Even Dolan gets that.

I. Dis.A.Gree.

You put him wherever it is best for the team. We owe him nothing more - I think we gave him enough. Alot more than others were willing to give.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:That's it! Start Stat at C and bring Tyson off the bench!

This is not the Yankees. Stat is not DH'ing.
He's going to start. There are max $100 million reasons why.
Welcome to reality.

You don't bring in a CEO and pay him bazillions to run for coffee when the board meetings start.

This, in case everyone forgot the lockout, is a business.

Tyson's too good to come off the bench. Amare isn't. I thought this was about winning, not justifying salaries. Justifying Amare's salary is mission impossible. Organizations that put winning first will put players like Ginobili and Ray Allen on the bench if they believe that's the better fit.

The Tyson coming off the bench comment was sarcasm without smileys.

Ginobli and Ray Allen have max contracts? There is no such thing as justification of NBA salaries; it's about business. You. Don't. Pay. Someone. $100 Million. To. Sit. On. The. Bench. One. Year. Into. The. Contract.

Even Dolan gets that.

That is just talking heads talk. The correct thing to do for your business is to do the best thing for the Team...even if that means Amare coming of the bench. You make money when teams win...not by paying $100M for a guy to start only to cause chemistry issues, because Melo and he supposedly cannot play together. LOL! The part of the contract you cannot get out of is a sunk cost. You shouldn't make decisions based on sunk costs. That is just plain bad business.

gunsnewing wrote:We were 6-1 with Amare under Woodson and blowing teams like Indy & Philly out of the water. We are 8-4 without Amare still good but the offense and rebounding has been a struggle against good teams. Thats where Amare is missed. Welcome back Amare

That was Amare v3.0 which was really good. If thats the Amare we are getting back then we will be fine and better. If we are getting back v4.0 which was more like v2.0, we are in trouble.

ChuckBuck wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We were 6-1 with Amare under Woodson and blowing teams like Indy & Philly out of the water. We are 8-4 without Amare still good but the offense and rebounding has been a struggle against good teams. Thats where Amare is missed. Welcome back Amare

That was Amare v3.0 which was really good. If thats the Amare we are getting back then we will be fine and better. If we are getting back v4.0 which was more like v2.0, we are in trouble.

Don't you hate when you run an update or upgrade, and it makes things worst?

haha - it always does.

Anji wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Anji wrote:I thought it was about floor space???? Nobody is buying that Carmelo loses his speed advantage over small forwards.

Amare is up for debate, but I believe when healthy will prove he is better, faster and bigger than most Power forwards.

Melo is offensively showing he is better than pretty much anybody no matter where he is, 1-5.

I never said it was about one and only one thing.

I didn't accuse you of saying it was either. Just wondering why you are going back to Melo's speed verse other Small forwards when there are posters that have been telling you that other teams don't put there Power Forwards on Melo anyway???

Then to them you up bring spacing, so why go backwards now??? Nobody is buying Melo can't abuse Small Forwards because that's who he has been abusing.

Stat is the variable in this argument right now, Melo is the given.

mrKnickShot wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

JamesKPolk wrote:Carmelo is not a long-term option at PF, Especially in the playoffs.

Yeah, both he and the team look terrible with him at PF, especially against playoff level teams.

10 game sample size does not make a season. Carmelo Anthony is not a power forward and is the reason why we're getting outrebounded in nearly every game since Amare went down. His position is and always will be SF. He will be able to use his strengths more in that position than at his current one. It doesn't matter what Carmelo is doing now at PF because he would play the exact same way at SF had someone else been starting at PF for Amare. Right now it's the Carmelo show and it has nothing to do with his position. He's still playing the same way, the position change didn't do anything.

Bonn hates small sample sizes.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:That's it! Start Stat at C and bring Tyson off the bench!

This is not the Yankees. Stat is not DH'ing.
He's going to start. There are max $100 million reasons why.
Welcome to reality.

You don't bring in a CEO and pay him bazillions to run for coffee when the board meetings start.

This, in case everyone forgot the lockout, is a business.

Tyson's too good to come off the bench. Amare isn't. I thought this was about winning, not justifying salaries. Justifying Amare's salary is mission impossible. Organizations that put winning first will put players like Ginobili and Ray Allen on the bench if they believe that's the better fit.

The Tyson coming off the bench comment was sarcasm without smileys.

Ginobli and Ray Allen have max contracts? There is no such thing as justification of NBA salaries; it's about business. You. Don't. Pay. Someone. $100 Million. To. Sit. On. The. Bench. One. Year. Into. The. Contract.

Even Dolan gets that.