mrKnickShot wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:perspective... Melo's team is 2 games over .500 and the dude has like a .250 winning % in the playoffs. Win me some games in may and I will cosign this post

Perspective, Knicks are missing 2 starters, one a 20 pt, 9 rebound guy, and the other the primary point guard.

Funny how MDA got a pass here from some for his horrible record based on circumstance/excuse after excuse but will now say things like "we are not beating the best teams consistently" and "Melo is 2 games over .500 for us" "wins are what counts" ... ... ...

Just sayin ... a bit disingenuous being that their sole argument was always circumstance. And, the fact that every article and every sports show/sports cast says that Melo can't do it alone ... eh whatever. Thus is the political spectrum.

why are you responding to me as if MDA had anything to do with my post? He didnt. I thought the thread was about Melo being a top 10 player, which he has NOT shown. Go post that MDA is a top 10 coach and we can talk about it on that thread.

Because we can tell that MDA wrote it.

How many MDA's do we have writing threads on this board!! Geeeeez. He suffers from Isiah's paranoia.

Is that you MDA?

fishmike wrote:

IrishKnickFan wrote:melo has picked up the slack and we cant ask anymore of him. I mean like Chuck said we are missing two of our best offensive weapons besides melo and we have stilll done well overall. Imagine Bosh and wade being out at the same time

sure you can ask more. You can ask him to play like that from the start. These top seeded teams with great record have great records because the effort to win is there everynight. Not just when the playoffs are slipping away, or a coach just got canned, or another player is out.

Imagine if the team tried to win every game, except just the ones they had to have to be just beyond mediocre

+1000000000000000000
Next year is a big year for Melo; the effort must be there on both ends from the start of the season regardless of the coach. If that happens, I could finally see him as a top 10 NBA player and an MVP candidate for years to come. We shall see.

VCoug wrote:

Anji wrote:This is 2010 Melo.
I followed those nuggets that went to the conference finals.

This the player I expected, Mvp levels of play.

We are going to be very good when the pieces start coming back!!!

Me too, and I thought that Melo was the best player on the floor in the WCF that year.

I really do believe that next year is going to be a great one, but this year isn't over yet, so maybe if we can hold on til guys get back........... who knows maybe this year could be great too.

mrKnickShot wrote:

Anji wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Anji wrote:This is 2010 Melo.
I followed those nuggets that went to the conference finals.

This the player I expected, Mvp levels of play.

We are going to be very good when the pieces start coming back!!!

Me too, and I thought that Melo was the best player on the floor in the WCF that year.

Yeah, the nuggs came up short against the lakers. But that year Melo finished 6th in Mvp voting, he was balling the whole season.

I really do believe that next year is going to be a great one, but this year isn't over yet, so maybe if we can hold on til guys get back........... who knows maybe this year could be great too.

I never give up on my knicks. Alan Houston's shot to beat the Heat? That would make me really happy if we could have such a moment. My expectations are not great for this season but hey, you never know.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Good for the team for doing well the last 11 games and getting in the playoffs.

We know Melo can carry a team in stretches with great point totals, smiles and some heroics. He did this in Denver.

Im pissed we lost yesterday. Miami was prime to be taken. We tied it and were at home. They were ready to be beaten and Knicks did not rise up.

Threads like this seem insecure that they have to keep selling Melo after he has a big point game.

We all saw the game.

Team is still deep in the roster and we have the likely defensive player of the year.

Im pissed we lost. Good teams beat better teams at home. Even Miami.

Miami does not have its swagger of late. Forget who is a "Star" or "Superstar" crap.

This was a statement game. We made our statement and its on the huge Billboard: "come see Melo do wonderful things on Broadway"!

Seems the script sometimes if for melo to have a great game and winning secondary. Glad many are happy with that and wear your no. 7 headbands to work.

Me, I want to win.

Team is in progress and this is not hate, its a statement of what I think MSG is selling. Im NOT pissed at Melo, Im pissed we lost. Im not buying Melo headbands today. IM not buying anyones head band today.

Nobody is selling Melo to cover any of the teams weaknesses. Melo's numbers speak for themselves, most importantly 13-5, 7-4 since Lin and Amare went down, in the Woodson era. The reason for yesterday's loss is the lack of 2nd scorer, and the incompetence at point guard. You make it seem like Melo is the sole reason the Knicks are only 2 games above .500, not because of him. We're lacking major firepower in the lineup, and he's doing everything in his power, unfortunately the rest of the squad let down.

Don't care why, seems like this big "whoo hoo!" after each of his big games.

Its still a sell job thread.

I don't see other than OBM bashing the team or Melo. We are so far from the "Gallo" era its not to be compared.

I just don't get the hype of it all.

It sells tickets I suppose but its not beautiful basketball.

Maybe MDA aspired too high. He failed.

It was not good ball for Melo either.

Whats good for melo good for the knicks?

Keep winning and its all good.

Thats my standard. Wins vs. Losses.

Woodson has done a very good job as has Melo.

Wins sell.

mrKnickShot wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:perspective... Melo's team is 2 games over .500 and the dude has like a .250 winning % in the playoffs. Win me some games in may and I will cosign this post

Perspective, Knicks are missing 2 starters, one a 20 pt, 9 rebound guy, and the other the primary point guard.

Funny how MDA got a pass here from some for his horrible record based on circumstance/excuse after excuse but will now say things like "we are not beating the best teams consistently" and "Melo is 2 games over .500 for us" "wins are what counts" ... ... ...

Just sayin ... a bit disingenuous being that their sole argument was always circumstance. And, the fact that every article and every sports show/sports cast says that Melo can't do it alone ... eh whatever. Thus is the political spectrum.

why are you responding to me as if MDA had anything to do with my post? He didnt. I thought the thread was about Melo being a top 10 player, which he has NOT shown. Go post that MDA is a top 10 coach and we can talk about it on that thread.

First, I was not responding to you, I was responding to ChuckB. Second, I did not create this thread. Third, how posters excused MDA and showing the double standard and partisanship is completely relevant and a basis in any post that a poster calls for accountability or requires that WINNING be a prerequisite for judgement.

I respect your opinion. However, I believe that it is disingenuous and I am stating why.

However I never called MDA anything better than a "good coach" who did an excellent job for an extended period of time in Pho.

This thread is about Melo being a top 10 player.

So for me, its simple... Melo doesnt win enough to be in that category. Not even close.

Ewing WON. A title? No... but dude's teams went to round 2 for 10 straight years. That says that year after year a playoff team that advanced every year was built around him. Thats a top 10 player to me (Ewing nostalgia aside).

Seriously.. what has Melo accomplished that Trace McGrady, Vince Carter, Gilbert Arenas, Baron Davis, etc etc.. accomplished? All excellent players and all stars but clearly a tier below Duncans, Kobe's etc, The guys who do it after the 82 games are over.

Trust me.

Nobody. NOBODY here wants to call Melo a top ten player more than me, because when I do it will be after he's knocked off a couple of the other top ten players in a few weeks from now.

That being said Im really not interested in celebrating Melo's big nights in losing games. Thats just me. I actually like Melo. I just see him for what he is, not what I hope he can become.

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

fishmike wrote:perspective... Melo's team is 2 games over .500 and the dude has like a .250 winning % in the playoffs. Win me some games in may and I will cosign this post

Perspective, Knicks are missing 2 starters, one a 20 pt, 9 rebound guy, and the other the primary point guard.

and we didnt win the game. So whats your point? Maybe we should just go back and discuss Melo's great game we lost against the Celtics in the playoffs last year? Man that was exciting! Great games in losing efforts do NOTHING to excite me. Did people get excited about Ewing's stats when MJ was beating him time and time again.

Its about wins. Thats the only stat that counts people. Unless your really into fantasy. I guess Im more a reality kind of guy.

Melo had a great game. I watched. Maybe we can win a playoff game or god forbid a playoff series before we start sucking each other's dicks over his great stats?

It's not about stats, it's about wins, and the Knicks are 13-5 under Woodson, 7-4(minus Lin and Amare). I agree it's all about the postseason, but if the Knicks were to lose in the first round minus 2 starters, is that all on Melo? If Miami was without DWade and Bosh, would you give them a pass if they lost in the 1st round?

If the Knicks are a top seed next year behind Melo's play night in and night out that counts for something also... I do hope that happens next year also. Would be nice to play some crappy .500 7th or 8th seed next year in the playoffs. THATS WHY YOU WIN THESE REGULAR SEASON GAMES. Its part of the picture

Without Novak, Lin and JR the season would be a disaster.

We got lucky.

7th seed!!!!

Whoo Hoo! Yeah, Its on, they scared now, Melo is top ten! Damn! Phuchen Ay right dare mutha Phucking right Melo is the Shyt!

Yeah! Whoo! Uh Huh! Oh, yeah! Whoo Hoo!!!! Yeah! "Melo"! The man! Yeah! Whoo! Bring on the Bulls! Bring on the HEat! Yeah! Whoo!

And, And, and, and, when Amare comes back! Whoo! Bring his stiff ass back off the bench! Yeah! Anchor that second line! Whoo! Jorts baby! Yeah! And, and, and and Whoo! Yeah! Jorts! Whoo! yeah! and, yeah Whoo! Lin coming back too! Phuch MDA! and and and, next year we get Nash! Whoo! Yeah, its gonna be great! Phuch Gallo! Whoo! Fat ass Felton!! Phuch MDA! Whoo! The Mayor? Of what? Whoo! Jorts! Yeah! Mozz? Who? Whoo! Yeah! Can't wait! Yeah! And and and.......whoo! Phuch phil jax! Don't need that old man ring thing around here! Whoo! Got Nash coming! Whoo! AMare gonna be great!

Whoo! Melo on Nurse Jackie! Top 10! Yup! Stars! La La selling Market America cosmetics pyramid scheme! Stars baby! Top 10!