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4/9/2012  5:31 PM
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Carmelo Anthony is a better player than Mike D'antoni is a coach.

Time has given us the answer some of us already knew.

Is the real problem a perennial all star? Or a head coach who's system has never proved anything?

If it weren't for D'antoni, this team could've won the divison and been a sure fire 2nd round team.

Mike Woodson has done a terrific job.

It's not about MDA or Woody. This is about Melo pure and simple. No coach was making Melo miss shots and get his shot blocked for most of the year. No coach is making him make shots and finish strong now. This is all about Melo. Case in point, before his shot returned and he was still sucking it up offensively, the single biggest change was Melo's effort level in every other aspect of the game, but particularly on the defensive end. It was night and day different the DAY that MDA resigned. because Melo made up his mind to push himself, he actually played himself into Elite level conditioning.

Melo was visibly spent early on during the 1st few games after MDA resigned and he had started playing harder on both ends, but over time he's actually gotten in shape enough to play hard on both ends and still be a dominant offensive player. That's really all on Melo. He could always have been doing this. No excuses!!! This is about personal accountability for a player paid to be the leader of a franchise. The same as Durant or Lebron, Melo owes it to the franchise and the fans to be ready to play at an Elite level and to give max effort every single night. He's been doing that for a few games now which is great, but it's a shame he didn't always do this, cuz if he had this team would already be a top team in the League and not fighting for survival.

I grow tired of all the revisionist history now that Melo is playing like we expected him to when we traded for him. Let's not forget all the poor play and losing this team has done since he's come here just cuz he's had a good little run. He's got a lot more work to do. You compare this short period with that of what a DRose has done as an MVP level player and it's not even close. We're not talking stats. Just talking about doing what his team needs for an entire season and playoffs. Melo has yet to do that for this franchise.


DATE MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
January 35.6 8.3-21.1 .393 1.4-4.4 .311 5.4-6.8 .789 6.7 4.6 0.4 1.3 2.4 3.4 23.3
February 31.5 6.1-15.4 .398 0.6-2.3 .278 3.6-4.4 .829 4.0 3.4 0.5 0.8 2.4 2.1 16.5
March 32.1 6.7-16.2 .415 0.9-3.3 .268 5.1-6.5 .782 6.3 3.0 0.5 1.3 3.0 2.3 19.4
April(3 gms) 38.3 13.0-26.0 .500 2.3-5.0 .467 5.3-7.0 .762 8.3 2.7 0.7 1.0 3.3 2.7 33.7

You can see that in April so far he's been putting up Superstar performances. The Totality of the other months tells the story about the rest of the year and his less than stellar performance. That's not about a coach! This is about Melo pure and simple. He had to be sucking pretty hard to have the shooting %'s he had this year. For a guy touted as the best pure scorer, you can't lay that on a coach or teammates. You either make the shots or you don't. The one thing that you should always expect is effort and that's been the biggest change for Melo.

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4/9/2012  5:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/9/2012  6:07 PM
nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Carmelo Anthony is a better player than Mike D'antoni is a coach.

Time has given us the answer some of us already knew.

Is the real problem a perennial all star? Or a head coach who's system has never proved anything?

If it weren't for D'antoni, this team could've won the divison and been a sure fire 2nd round team.

Mike Woodson has done a terrific job.

It's not about MDA or Woody. This is about Melo pure and simple. No coach was making Melo miss shots and get his shot blocked for most of the year. No coach is making him make shots and finish strong now. This is all about Melo. Case in point, before his shot returned and he was still sucking it up offensively, the single biggest change was Melo's effort level in every other aspect of the game, but particularly on the defensive end. It was night and day different the DAY that MDA resigned. because Melo made up his mind to push himself, he actually played himself into Elite level conditioning.

Melo was visibly spent early on during the 1st few games after MDA resigned and he had started playing harder on both ends, but over time he's actually gotten in shape enough to play hard on both ends and still be a dominant offensive player. That's really all on Melo. He could always have been doing this. No excuses!!! This is about personal accountability for a player paid to be the leader of a franchise. The same as Durant or Lebron, Melo owes it to the franchise and the fans to be ready to play at an Elite level and to give max effort every single night. He's been doing that for a few games now which is great, but it's a shame he didn't always do this, cuz if he had this team would already be a top team in the League and not fighting for survival.

I grow tired of all the revisionist history now that Melo is playing like we expected him to when we traded for him. Let's not forget all the poor play and losing this team has done since he's come here just cuz he's had a good little run. He's got a lot more work to do. You compare this short period with that of what a DRose has done as an MVP level player and it's not even close. We're not talking stats. Just talking about doing what his team needs for an entire season and playoffs. Melo has yet to do that for this franchise.


DATE MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
January 35.6 8.3-21.1 .393 1.4-4.4 .311 5.4-6.8 .789 6.7 4.6 0.4 1.3 2.4 3.4 23.3
February 31.5 6.1-15.4 .398 0.6-2.3 .278 3.6-4.4 .829 4.0 3.4 0.5 0.8 2.4 2.1 16.5
March 32.1 6.7-16.2 .415 0.9-3.3 .268 5.1-6.5 .782 6.3 3.0 0.5 1.3 3.0 2.3 19.4
April(3 gms) 38.3 13.0-26.0 .500 2.3-5.0 .467 5.3-7.0 .762 8.3 2.7 0.7 1.0 3.3 2.7 33.7

You can see that in April so far he's been putting up Superstar performances. The Totality of the other months tells the story about the rest of the year and his less than stellar performance. That's not about a coach! This is about Melo pure and simple. He had to be sucking pretty hard to have the shooting %'s he had this year. For a guy touted as the best pure scorer, you can't lay that on a coach or teammates. You either make the shots or you don't. The one thing that you should always expect is effort and that's been the biggest change for Melo.

Come on Nix, you are a good Knick fan, unhinge your wagon from MDA...He wasn't a good coach...He is a awful defensive mind..Defense wins period, you are seeing it now...You have been here longer than MDA and will be here even longer...I was wrong with Isiah, he was a clown, I admit it, so can you...MDA knows only one way to win, his way, and he hasn't won the prize...We in NY loves defense, IT'S HOT !!!...Climb aboard brother, it's not too late...It won't be the last time you will be wrong either, that's how life rolls...Recognition and Acceptance is key tho..Life is too short, the season is too short..Let's go Knicks!!!!

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4/9/2012  6:10 PM
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Carmelo Anthony is a better player than Mike D'antoni is a coach.

Time has given us the answer some of us already knew.

Is the real problem a perennial all star? Or a head coach who's system has never proved anything?

If it weren't for D'antoni, this team could've won the divison and been a sure fire 2nd round team.

Mike Woodson has done a terrific job.

It's not about MDA or Woody. This is about Melo pure and simple. No coach was making Melo miss shots and get his shot blocked for most of the year. No coach is making him make shots and finish strong now. This is all about Melo. Case in point, before his shot returned and he was still sucking it up offensively, the single biggest change was Melo's effort level in every other aspect of the game, but particularly on the defensive end. It was night and day different the DAY that MDA resigned. because Melo made up his mind to push himself, he actually played himself into Elite level conditioning.

Melo was visibly spent early on during the 1st few games after MDA resigned and he had started playing harder on both ends, but over time he's actually gotten in shape enough to play hard on both ends and still be a dominant offensive player. That's really all on Melo. He could always have been doing this. No excuses!!! This is about personal accountability for a player paid to be the leader of a franchise. The same as Durant or Lebron, Melo owes it to the franchise and the fans to be ready to play at an Elite level and to give max effort every single night. He's been doing that for a few games now which is great, but it's a shame he didn't always do this, cuz if he had this team would already be a top team in the League and not fighting for survival.

I grow tired of all the revisionist history now that Melo is playing like we expected him to when we traded for him. Let's not forget all the poor play and losing this team has done since he's come here just cuz he's had a good little run. He's got a lot more work to do. You compare this short period with that of what a DRose has done as an MVP level player and it's not even close. We're not talking stats. Just talking about doing what his team needs for an entire season and playoffs. Melo has yet to do that for this franchise.


DATE MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
January 35.6 8.3-21.1 .393 1.4-4.4 .311 5.4-6.8 .789 6.7 4.6 0.4 1.3 2.4 3.4 23.3
February 31.5 6.1-15.4 .398 0.6-2.3 .278 3.6-4.4 .829 4.0 3.4 0.5 0.8 2.4 2.1 16.5
March 32.1 6.7-16.2 .415 0.9-3.3 .268 5.1-6.5 .782 6.3 3.0 0.5 1.3 3.0 2.3 19.4
April(3 gms) 38.3 13.0-26.0 .500 2.3-5.0 .467 5.3-7.0 .762 8.3 2.7 0.7 1.0 3.3 2.7 33.7

You can see that in April so far he's been putting up Superstar performances. The Totality of the other months tells the story about the rest of the year and his less than stellar performance. That's not about a coach! This is about Melo pure and simple. He had to be sucking pretty hard to have the shooting %'s he had this year. For a guy touted as the best pure scorer, you can't lay that on a coach or teammates. You either make the shots or you don't. The one thing that you should always expect is effort and that's been the biggest change for Melo.

Come on Nix, you are a good Knick fan, unhinge your wagon from MDA...He wasn't a good coach...He is a awful defensive mind..Defense wins period, you are seeing it now...You have been here even longer than MDA and will be here longer...I was wrong with Isiah, he was a clown, I admit it, so can you...MDA knows only one way to win, his way, and he hasn't won the prize...We in NY loves defense, IT'S HOT !!!...Climb aboard brother, it's not too late...It won't be the last time you will be wrong either, that's how life rolls...Recognition and Acceptance is key tho..Life is too short, the season is too short..Let's go Knicks!!!!

I like woodson a lot and want him to be here for a while but i think you are being a little unfair to D'antoni. I dont love the guy but calling him a bad coach is silly i mean he had huge success is Phoenix for years and came very close to going to the finals. The guy had to deal with a bad group of players the first two years and many trades the last two years. Im not making excuses for him but the D'antoni hate is just silly. Also even though im happy with melo recently he didnt play hard for mike and that was unacceptable
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4/9/2012  6:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/9/2012  6:16 PM
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Carmelo Anthony is a better player than Mike D'antoni is a coach.

Time has given us the answer some of us already knew.

Is the real problem a perennial all star? Or a head coach who's system has never proved anything?

If it weren't for D'antoni, this team could've won the divison and been a sure fire 2nd round team.

Mike Woodson has done a terrific job.

It's not about MDA or Woody. This is about Melo pure and simple. No coach was making Melo miss shots and get his shot blocked for most of the year. No coach is making him make shots and finish strong now. This is all about Melo. Case in point, before his shot returned and he was still sucking it up offensively, the single biggest change was Melo's effort level in every other aspect of the game, but particularly on the defensive end. It was night and day different the DAY that MDA resigned. because Melo made up his mind to push himself, he actually played himself into Elite level conditioning.

Melo was visibly spent early on during the 1st few games after MDA resigned and he had started playing harder on both ends, but over time he's actually gotten in shape enough to play hard on both ends and still be a dominant offensive player. That's really all on Melo. He could always have been doing this. No excuses!!! This is about personal accountability for a player paid to be the leader of a franchise. The same as Durant or Lebron, Melo owes it to the franchise and the fans to be ready to play at an Elite level and to give max effort every single night. He's been doing that for a few games now which is great, but it's a shame he didn't always do this, cuz if he had this team would already be a top team in the League and not fighting for survival.

I grow tired of all the revisionist history now that Melo is playing like we expected him to when we traded for him. Let's not forget all the poor play and losing this team has done since he's come here just cuz he's had a good little run. He's got a lot more work to do. You compare this short period with that of what a DRose has done as an MVP level player and it's not even close. We're not talking stats. Just talking about doing what his team needs for an entire season and playoffs. Melo has yet to do that for this franchise.


DATE MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
January 35.6 8.3-21.1 .393 1.4-4.4 .311 5.4-6.8 .789 6.7 4.6 0.4 1.3 2.4 3.4 23.3
February 31.5 6.1-15.4 .398 0.6-2.3 .278 3.6-4.4 .829 4.0 3.4 0.5 0.8 2.4 2.1 16.5
March 32.1 6.7-16.2 .415 0.9-3.3 .268 5.1-6.5 .782 6.3 3.0 0.5 1.3 3.0 2.3 19.4
April(3 gms) 38.3 13.0-26.0 .500 2.3-5.0 .467 5.3-7.0 .762 8.3 2.7 0.7 1.0 3.3 2.7 33.7

You can see that in April so far he's been putting up Superstar performances. The Totality of the other months tells the story about the rest of the year and his less than stellar performance. That's not about a coach! This is about Melo pure and simple. He had to be sucking pretty hard to have the shooting %'s he had this year. For a guy touted as the best pure scorer, you can't lay that on a coach or teammates. You either make the shots or you don't. The one thing that you should always expect is effort and that's been the biggest change for Melo.

Come on Nix, you are a good Knick fan, unhinge your wagon from MDA...He wasn't a good coach...He is a awful defensive mind..Defense wins period, you are seeing it now...You have been here even longer than MDA and will be here longer...I was wrong with Isiah, he was a clown, I admit it, so can you...MDA knows only one way to win, his way, and he hasn't won the prize...We in NY loves defense, IT'S HOT !!!...Climb aboard brother, it's not too late...It won't be the last time you will be wrong either, that's how life rolls...Recognition and Acceptance is key tho..Life is too short, the season is too short..Let's go Knicks!!!!

I like woodson a lot and want him to be here for a while but i think you are being a little unfair to D'antoni. I dont love the guy but calling him a bad coach is silly i mean he had huge success is Phoenix for years and came very close to going to the finals. The guy had to deal with a bad group of players the first two years and many trades the last two years. Im not making excuses for him but the D'antoni hate is just silly. Also even though im happy with melo recently he didnt play hard for mike and that was unacceptable

From day uno, I said this guy was a bad hire....He proved it...If he was a great coach then please explain what happened...Why is Woody getting better results???...Why???..What are your facts young man..I used to listen to how great Larry Brown was but our team sucked...Listen, I don't care anything about resumes and banners, I care about your production with the Knicks, period...AWFUL is what I saw, You can watch PHX reruns..Good Luck!!!!

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4/9/2012  6:15 PM
Nixluva still crying over dropped pringles???

I already told you that nobody cares and when we get to the end of the season either it will the Coach was right and Melo dogged it or Melo was right and the coach was an idiot.

Not looking too good for right now. It's looking like a great player was being forced to play to his weakness for a thickheaded coach. And instead of conforming to having an post reliant offense like the knicks are winning with right now when TD was running the point, he tried to turn Melo into a Point Forward. And we saw how great that was with our star Small Forward dealing with injuries from game 11 of the season pretty much until March. That was when his offense took a huge dip too, but who cares about, it didn't use to fit the agenda of Melo the Fat dog trying to get MDA fired.

It's not even worth it, at seasons end people cast the all important public opinoins about what happened this season........ and there isn't a spread sheet that can stop it.We win and MDA is a BIG FAT PHONEY

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4/9/2012  6:22 PM
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Carmelo Anthony is a better player than Mike D'antoni is a coach.

Time has given us the answer some of us already knew.

Is the real problem a perennial all star? Or a head coach who's system has never proved anything?

If it weren't for D'antoni, this team could've won the divison and been a sure fire 2nd round team.

Mike Woodson has done a terrific job.

It's not about MDA or Woody. This is about Melo pure and simple. No coach was making Melo miss shots and get his shot blocked for most of the year. No coach is making him make shots and finish strong now. This is all about Melo. Case in point, before his shot returned and he was still sucking it up offensively, the single biggest change was Melo's effort level in every other aspect of the game, but particularly on the defensive end. It was night and day different the DAY that MDA resigned. because Melo made up his mind to push himself, he actually played himself into Elite level conditioning.

Melo was visibly spent early on during the 1st few games after MDA resigned and he had started playing harder on both ends, but over time he's actually gotten in shape enough to play hard on both ends and still be a dominant offensive player. That's really all on Melo. He could always have been doing this. No excuses!!! This is about personal accountability for a player paid to be the leader of a franchise. The same as Durant or Lebron, Melo owes it to the franchise and the fans to be ready to play at an Elite level and to give max effort every single night. He's been doing that for a few games now which is great, but it's a shame he didn't always do this, cuz if he had this team would already be a top team in the League and not fighting for survival.

I grow tired of all the revisionist history now that Melo is playing like we expected him to when we traded for him. Let's not forget all the poor play and losing this team has done since he's come here just cuz he's had a good little run. He's got a lot more work to do. You compare this short period with that of what a DRose has done as an MVP level player and it's not even close. We're not talking stats. Just talking about doing what his team needs for an entire season and playoffs. Melo has yet to do that for this franchise.


DATE MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
January 35.6 8.3-21.1 .393 1.4-4.4 .311 5.4-6.8 .789 6.7 4.6 0.4 1.3 2.4 3.4 23.3
February 31.5 6.1-15.4 .398 0.6-2.3 .278 3.6-4.4 .829 4.0 3.4 0.5 0.8 2.4 2.1 16.5
March 32.1 6.7-16.2 .415 0.9-3.3 .268 5.1-6.5 .782 6.3 3.0 0.5 1.3 3.0 2.3 19.4
April(3 gms) 38.3 13.0-26.0 .500 2.3-5.0 .467 5.3-7.0 .762 8.3 2.7 0.7 1.0 3.3 2.7 33.7

You can see that in April so far he's been putting up Superstar performances. The Totality of the other months tells the story about the rest of the year and his less than stellar performance. That's not about a coach! This is about Melo pure and simple. He had to be sucking pretty hard to have the shooting %'s he had this year. For a guy touted as the best pure scorer, you can't lay that on a coach or teammates. You either make the shots or you don't. The one thing that you should always expect is effort and that's been the biggest change for Melo.

Come on Nix, you are a good Knick fan, unhinge your wagon from MDA...He wasn't a good coach...He is a awful defensive mind..Defense wins period, you are seeing it now...You have been here longer than MDA and will be here even longer...I was wrong with Isiah, he was a clown, I admit it, so can you...MDA knows only one way to win, his way, and he hasn't won the prize...We in NY loves defense, IT'S HOT !!!...Climb aboard brother, it's not too late...It won't be the last time you will be wrong either, that's how life rolls...Recognition and Acceptance is key tho..Life is too short, the season is too short..Let's go Knicks!!!!

This is not about MDA. I don't know why people have to keep making this about MDA when it's not really about what MDA did or didn't do. There's this assumption that the team sucked on D when in fact they didn't. Had Melo and STAT actually played hard on D the team would've always been playing this hard on D. IN fact when both where out the team was winning with DEFENSE!!! The biggest change was Melo deciding to step up his effort on D. It's not like the team was awful and only just now started to defend. You can go look it up yourself, but the stats don't lie. The team played better D when Melo was off the floor all year. Likewise STAT. When Melo and STAT were out the team defended at a high level.

Did MDA suddenly care more about D than he did when they were playing? Did he just not care anymore when they came back despite the fact that the team had just had a nice winning streak minus it's top scorers? 9 straight games the team held opponents under 100. It was either in the 80's or 90's every game! Then after Melo came back scores climbed up over 100. It's not rocket science to see that the problem wasn't one of coaching as much as Melo's mental attitude. The team was winning when Melo decided to play hard on both ends. Even before his scoring recently came back the team was winning with D, much like it did during the win streak under MDA. Is it better now under Woody? Heck yeah! Just remember tho that MDA didn't have a fully committed Melo helping him to win games like Woody has had. It makes a difference for any coach when the teams best player is leading by example and the rest of the team falls in line behind him.

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4/9/2012  6:27 PM
holfresh wrote:
IrishKnickFan wrote:
holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Carmelo Anthony is a better player than Mike D'antoni is a coach.

Time has given us the answer some of us already knew.

Is the real problem a perennial all star? Or a head coach who's system has never proved anything?

If it weren't for D'antoni, this team could've won the divison and been a sure fire 2nd round team.

Mike Woodson has done a terrific job.

It's not about MDA or Woody. This is about Melo pure and simple. No coach was making Melo miss shots and get his shot blocked for most of the year. No coach is making him make shots and finish strong now. This is all about Melo. Case in point, before his shot returned and he was still sucking it up offensively, the single biggest change was Melo's effort level in every other aspect of the game, but particularly on the defensive end. It was night and day different the DAY that MDA resigned. because Melo made up his mind to push himself, he actually played himself into Elite level conditioning.

Melo was visibly spent early on during the 1st few games after MDA resigned and he had started playing harder on both ends, but over time he's actually gotten in shape enough to play hard on both ends and still be a dominant offensive player. That's really all on Melo. He could always have been doing this. No excuses!!! This is about personal accountability for a player paid to be the leader of a franchise. The same as Durant or Lebron, Melo owes it to the franchise and the fans to be ready to play at an Elite level and to give max effort every single night. He's been doing that for a few games now which is great, but it's a shame he didn't always do this, cuz if he had this team would already be a top team in the League and not fighting for survival.

I grow tired of all the revisionist history now that Melo is playing like we expected him to when we traded for him. Let's not forget all the poor play and losing this team has done since he's come here just cuz he's had a good little run. He's got a lot more work to do. You compare this short period with that of what a DRose has done as an MVP level player and it's not even close. We're not talking stats. Just talking about doing what his team needs for an entire season and playoffs. Melo has yet to do that for this franchise.


DATE MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
January 35.6 8.3-21.1 .393 1.4-4.4 .311 5.4-6.8 .789 6.7 4.6 0.4 1.3 2.4 3.4 23.3
February 31.5 6.1-15.4 .398 0.6-2.3 .278 3.6-4.4 .829 4.0 3.4 0.5 0.8 2.4 2.1 16.5
March 32.1 6.7-16.2 .415 0.9-3.3 .268 5.1-6.5 .782 6.3 3.0 0.5 1.3 3.0 2.3 19.4
April(3 gms) 38.3 13.0-26.0 .500 2.3-5.0 .467 5.3-7.0 .762 8.3 2.7 0.7 1.0 3.3 2.7 33.7

You can see that in April so far he's been putting up Superstar performances. The Totality of the other months tells the story about the rest of the year and his less than stellar performance. That's not about a coach! This is about Melo pure and simple. He had to be sucking pretty hard to have the shooting %'s he had this year. For a guy touted as the best pure scorer, you can't lay that on a coach or teammates. You either make the shots or you don't. The one thing that you should always expect is effort and that's been the biggest change for Melo.

Come on Nix, you are a good Knick fan, unhinge your wagon from MDA...He wasn't a good coach...He is a awful defensive mind..Defense wins period, you are seeing it now...You have been here even longer than MDA and will be here longer...I was wrong with Isiah, he was a clown, I admit it, so can you...MDA knows only one way to win, his way, and he hasn't won the prize...We in NY loves defense, IT'S HOT !!!...Climb aboard brother, it's not too late...It won't be the last time you will be wrong either, that's how life rolls...Recognition and Acceptance is key tho..Life is too short, the season is too short..Let's go Knicks!!!!

I like woodson a lot and want him to be here for a while but i think you are being a little unfair to D'antoni. I dont love the guy but calling him a bad coach is silly i mean he had huge success is Phoenix for years and came very close to going to the finals. The guy had to deal with a bad group of players the first two years and many trades the last two years. Im not making excuses for him but the D'antoni hate is just silly. Also even though im happy with melo recently he didnt play hard for mike and that was unacceptable

From day uno, I said this guy was a bad hire....He proved it...If he was a great coach then please explain what happened...Why is Woody getting better results???...Why???..What are your facts young man..I used to listen to how great Larry Brown was but our team sucked...Listen, I don't care anything about resumes and banners, I care about your production with the Knicks, period...AWFUL is what I saw, You can watch PHX reruns..Good Luck!!!!


Holfresh calm down you have to read man. I said in my very first sentence thqat i want woody here and not d'antoni. I never said i liked d'antoni in fact i dont liek d'antoni at all i just said you calling someone an awful coach when they have had success in their career is unfair thats all. Now im gonna say it for a 100th time i think woody fits us much better for D'antoni so just relax and take a midol
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4/9/2012  6:28 PM
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jrodmc wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
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Bonn1997 wrote:As a PF, Melo has played like a superstar. Tyson Chandler is the best Knick since Ewing though.

Always with the backhanded compliments. You remind me of Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory.


No, it was still a compliment. Melo has been an outstanding PF - better than I ever expected him to be at the position. Tyson's earned this title for his play all year though.

And I'm not as intelligent as Sheldon. I'd like to think I have a little more social insight though!

If you look at every 5th letter of Bonn's posts, convert it to Latin and then Hebrew, it spells out "I hate the Melo"


LOL!

LOL!!! Classic!!
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4/9/2012  6:30 PM
"It took defenses 10 games to slow Lin down. People have been trying to slow down Melo for 8 years"

How you build your offense, great quote!!!!!!!

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4/9/2012  6:33 PM
Anji wrote:"It took defenses 10 games to slow Lin down. People have been trying to slow down Melo for 8 years"

How you build your offense, great quote!!!!!!!


Lin didnt slow down i mean i remmeber him owning the sixers and pacers not too long ago. man its funny how melo fans bash lin even though they are on teh same team. i mean here's a thought why not cheer for both of them and for a good future?
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4/9/2012  6:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/9/2012  6:37 PM
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holfresh wrote:
nixluva wrote:
JrZyHuStLa wrote:Carmelo Anthony is a better player than Mike D'antoni is a coach.

Time has given us the answer some of us already knew.

Is the real problem a perennial all star? Or a head coach who's system has never proved anything?

If it weren't for D'antoni, this team could've won the divison and been a sure fire 2nd round team.

Mike Woodson has done a terrific job.

It's not about MDA or Woody. This is about Melo pure and simple. No coach was making Melo miss shots and get his shot blocked for most of the year. No coach is making him make shots and finish strong now. This is all about Melo. Case in point, before his shot returned and he was still sucking it up offensively, the single biggest change was Melo's effort level in every other aspect of the game, but particularly on the defensive end. It was night and day different the DAY that MDA resigned. because Melo made up his mind to push himself, he actually played himself into Elite level conditioning.

Melo was visibly spent early on during the 1st few games after MDA resigned and he had started playing harder on both ends, but over time he's actually gotten in shape enough to play hard on both ends and still be a dominant offensive player. That's really all on Melo. He could always have been doing this. No excuses!!! This is about personal accountability for a player paid to be the leader of a franchise. The same as Durant or Lebron, Melo owes it to the franchise and the fans to be ready to play at an Elite level and to give max effort every single night. He's been doing that for a few games now which is great, but it's a shame he didn't always do this, cuz if he had this team would already be a top team in the League and not fighting for survival.

I grow tired of all the revisionist history now that Melo is playing like we expected him to when we traded for him. Let's not forget all the poor play and losing this team has done since he's come here just cuz he's had a good little run. He's got a lot more work to do. You compare this short period with that of what a DRose has done as an MVP level player and it's not even close. We're not talking stats. Just talking about doing what his team needs for an entire season and playoffs. Melo has yet to do that for this franchise.


DATE MIN FGM-FGA FG% 3PM-3PA 3P% FTM-FTA FT% REB AST BLK STL PF TO PTS
January 35.6 8.3-21.1 .393 1.4-4.4 .311 5.4-6.8 .789 6.7 4.6 0.4 1.3 2.4 3.4 23.3
February 31.5 6.1-15.4 .398 0.6-2.3 .278 3.6-4.4 .829 4.0 3.4 0.5 0.8 2.4 2.1 16.5
March 32.1 6.7-16.2 .415 0.9-3.3 .268 5.1-6.5 .782 6.3 3.0 0.5 1.3 3.0 2.3 19.4
April(3 gms) 38.3 13.0-26.0 .500 2.3-5.0 .467 5.3-7.0 .762 8.3 2.7 0.7 1.0 3.3 2.7 33.7

You can see that in April so far he's been putting up Superstar performances. The Totality of the other months tells the story about the rest of the year and his less than stellar performance. That's not about a coach! This is about Melo pure and simple. He had to be sucking pretty hard to have the shooting %'s he had this year. For a guy touted as the best pure scorer, you can't lay that on a coach or teammates. You either make the shots or you don't. The one thing that you should always expect is effort and that's been the biggest change for Melo.

Come on Nix, you are a good Knick fan, unhinge your wagon from MDA...He wasn't a good coach...He is a awful defensive mind..Defense wins period, you are seeing it now...You have been here longer than MDA and will be here even longer...I was wrong with Isiah, he was a clown, I admit it, so can you...MDA knows only one way to win, his way, and he hasn't won the prize...We in NY loves defense, IT'S HOT !!!...Climb aboard brother, it's not too late...It won't be the last time you will be wrong either, that's how life rolls...Recognition and Acceptance is key tho..Life is too short, the season is too short..Let's go Knicks!!!!

This is not about MDA. I don't know why people have to keep making this about MDA when it's not really about what MDA did or didn't do. There's this assumption that the team sucked on D when in fact they didn't. Had Melo and STAT actually played hard on D the team would've always been playing this hard on D. IN fact when both where out the team was winning with DEFENSE!!! The biggest change was Melo deciding to step up his effort on D. It's not like the team was awful and only just now started to defend. You can go look it up yourself, but the stats don't lie. The team played better D when Melo was off the floor all year. Likewise STAT. When Melo and STAT were out the team defended at a high level.

Did MDA suddenly care more about D than he did when they were playing? Did he just not care anymore when they came back despite the fact that the team had just had a nice winning streak minus it's top scorers? 9 straight games the team held opponents under 100. It was either in the 80's or 90's every game! Then after Melo came back scores climbed up over 100. It's not rocket science to see that the problem wasn't one of coaching as much as Melo's mental attitude. The team was winning when Melo decided to play hard on both ends. Even before his scoring recently came back the team was winning with D, much like it did during the win streak under MDA. Is it better now under Woody? Heck yeah! Just remember tho that MDA didn't have a fully committed Melo helping him to win games like Woody has had. It makes a difference for any coach when the teams best player is leading by example and the rest of the team falls in line behind him.

Nix, man. I'm a MDA supporter, but you buggin.

What does it mean to COACH?

Wikipedia : is a teaching or training process in which an individual gets support while learning to achieve a specific personal or professional result or goal.

Meriam Webster: one who instructs or trains <an acting coach>; especially : one who instructs players in the fundamentals of a competitive sport and directs team strategy <a football coach>

Dude, MDAs job was to get the best out of the considerable talent he had. He failed. Miserably. End of story.

The thing about his system, if played right it's pretty much unbeatable. The pick and roll is undefendable when executed correctly. Put shooters on the wings, and the defense has to many choices to make. But you have to have the perfect personnel and time to perfect it. He had neither. No one knew this better than him. And so, he resigned.

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4/9/2012  6:38 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:As a PF, Melo has played like a superstar. Tyson Chandler is the best Knick since Ewing though.

hate to bring it back to , but one of the major reasons I was happy to see him go was that his ability in the post was being ignored

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4/9/2012  6:39 PM
Melo has been great but I would say Tyson Chandler is the best Knick. I mean he doesnt score but his defense and hustle brings me back to the great days of the 90's
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IrishKnickFan wrote:Melo has been great but I would say Tyson Chandler is the best Knick. I mean he doesnt score but his defense and hustle brings me back to the great days of the 90's

Tyson is the Knicks MVP this season, Melo is the Knicks best player(since Ewing) on paper, in reality, in fantasy, in La La Vasquez land, in NBA2K12, in Nike apparel, in Reality TV shows, in....

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4/9/2012  6:48 PM
Tyson Chandler is the best Knick since Ewing in my opinion. But it's still a very small sample size. He impacts games night in and night out. Melo has had 5 good games. Big whoopdedo.

STAT. Had better streak last year as well. This incessant coronation of Melo is pretty amusing.

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4/9/2012  6:48 PM
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IrishKnickFan wrote:Melo has been great but I would say Tyson Chandler is the best Knick. I mean he doesnt score but his defense and hustle brings me back to the great days of the 90's

Tyson is the Knicks MVP this season, Melo is the Knicks best player(since Ewing) on paper, in reality, in fantasy, in La La Vasquez land, in NBA2K12, in Nike apparel, in Reality TV shows, in....

Well i would say tyson has had the biggets impact. Even though Melo has been great lately he has been on and off since coming here. So for Now I would Say tyson is best best knick since ewing
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4/9/2012  6:49 PM
Melo is a closer. A VERY important role, but a role nontheless.

Was Mariano more important than Jeter during those championship years? I dunno. Ask Joe Torre who he'd cut first.

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loweyecue wrote:Tyson Chandler is the best Knick since Ewing in my opinion. But it's still a very small sample size. He impacts games night in and night out. Melo has had 5 good games. Big whoopdedo.

STAT. Had better streak last year as well. This incessant coronation of Melo is pretty amusing.

I love Tyson Chandler to death, love him. Tell me who's going to drain that 3 in regulation and OT. Tyson Chandler? Amare Stoudemire? Lin? Tell me.

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4/9/2012  6:51 PM
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Anji wrote:"It took defenses 10 games to slow Lin down. People have been trying to slow down Melo for 8 years"

How you build your offense, great quote!!!!!!!


Lin didnt slow down i mean i remmeber him owning the sixers and pacers not too long ago. man its funny how melo fans bash lin even though they are on teh same team. i mean here's a thought why not cheer for both of them and for a good future?

1) I don't care about what you remember, teams started to key in on Lin and after the Heat game he never scored 20 points again and had 4 double digit assists(with 9 twice) in 12 games before MIA. And had 3 double assists games in 15 after MIA (no 9 assist games).

2) Me pointing out who the offense should feature isn't bashing on Lin or not cheering for him. Or am I wrong to point out that one guy has been playing at the top of the league for 8 years and others play steadily dropped after 10 games???

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4/9/2012  6:52 PM
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loweyecue wrote:Tyson Chandler is the best Knick since Ewing in my opinion. But it's still a very small sample size. He impacts games night in and night out. Melo has had 5 good games. Big whoopdedo.

STAT. Had better streak last year as well. This incessant coronation of Melo is pretty amusing.

I love Tyson Chandler to death, love him. Tell me who's going to drain that 3 in regulation and OT. Tyson Chandler? Amare Stoudemire? Lin? Tell me.

The problem is that that was melos first great game as a knick in a long time we have been waiting for him to do that. Im not taking anything away from him hell i hope he does this the next few years. But without Tyson we would be god knows where
Melo is clearly the best player to wear a knicks uniform since Patrick Ewing.

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