misterearl wrote:Yawn

TripleThreat wrote:Regardless of who the coach is, the Knicks would probably be better than 21-24 right now if Melo actually behaved as a leader, gave consistent hardnosed effort on defense and decided not to dog it because of a piss poor attitude.

While you wrote that trash Carmelo made a beautiful pass to Tyson Chandler as the crowd erupts.

misterearl you really can't argue with what TripleThreat just wrote. It's not just about how Melo is suddenly playing team ball. We're still in a very precarious spot and it didn't have to be like this. That's all everyone is saying. Dude hurt his team being resistant and pouting.

Melo should be glad that the TEAM is carrying him cuz really he's only been OK the last 4 games. This is a team driven streak. Good for Melo that he's finally playing a total game and giving max effort for the 4th time this year.

the record this season matters less than other seasons.

crzymdups wrote:
melo had a LOT of injury problems this year, it's been a weird year with the lockout schedule and everything. who really cares about the record in this season? it's just about getting to the playoffs with home court and be playing healthy and well at that point.

the record this season matters less than other seasons.

even without HCA I am fairly certain we can beat just about every Eastern playoff team besides Chicago/Miami (we could put up a fight with those two).

The goal right now is to escape the 7th and 8th seeds. After that, anything is possible.

misterearl wrote: I kept asking, what has Melo done since he's got here except cause chaos between coaches, players, and fans?

ShellTop - Carmelo has not caused any chaos between players or between coaches. The fans are always at each other over opinion so what da hell are you talking about?

Dolan gutted the roster. Donnie Walsh resigned because his masterpiece was scribbled on.

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

misterearl wrote: I kept asking, what has Melo done since he's got here except cause chaos between coaches, players, and fans?

ShellTop - Carmelo has not caused any chaos between players or between coaches. The fans are always at each other over opinion so what da hell are you talking about?

Dolan gutted the roster. Donnie Walsh resigned because his masterpiece was scribbled on.

I assure you not to many players are thrilled MDA got ran out of town. Isn't MDA one of the main STAT came here in the first place? contrary to what you believe, players liked his system and its been proven it works, IF you buy into it. I'm sorry but you failed to mention what Melo has done since he got here. I'll wait.

Don't you have to play a full season to find out what Melo can do here? For me, I'm rooting for the guy. Is he perfect? Nope. Hell, he admitted he wasn't playing with max effort this year but his Knicks career has just started. We have 21 games left for the season as well as the playoffs. Time will tell what Melo can and will do.

The reason STAT came here was because the Knicks were the only team who was going to give him max money. He would have came here if Herb was the coach. Chandler and BDiddy wanted to play for MDA. That's a whopping 2 players on the entire roster.

Sorry but a coach doesn't resign over not seeing eye to eye with 1 player. I don't buy putting all the blame on Melo. The problem had to have been bigger or we'll probably never know but hey if blaiming Melo makes some sleep better at night than so be it. I'm happy with the 4-0 start under Woody.

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

MS wrote:Action stop making excuses for Melo. The guy has sucked this year. No debate. Have we won? No. Has he been a leader? No. Does he play hard every night? No. Did he come into the season in great shape. No. Have the Knicks been one of the most dissapointing teams in the entire league. Yes.

If he has the shot with the game on the line he takes it period. If you're playing Denver and your upset that Gallo is outplaying your bitch ass and your force a game winner with three guys on you fading away you get what you deserve.

So until he plays like a man, he gets what he gets. You want the fame, you want the money, you deliver. Period.

If you're a superstar you lead. Every other prime time player does it, we expect it.

Exactly!!! I kept asking, what has Melo done since he's got here except cause chaos between, coaches, players, and fans? The players we gave up would give you 100% every night no matter what. This dude sulks when things not going his way? After gutting our whole roster to bring you here, you doing want to put forth any effort cause the system doesn't fit your game? Really???

Have you seen Ray Felton this year?

VCoug wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

MS wrote:Action stop making excuses for Melo. The guy has sucked this year. No debate. Have we won? No. Has he been a leader? No. Does he play hard every night? No. Did he come into the season in great shape. No. Have the Knicks been one of the most dissapointing teams in the entire league. Yes.

If he has the shot with the game on the line he takes it period. If you're playing Denver and your upset that Gallo is outplaying your bitch ass and your force a game winner with three guys on you fading away you get what you deserve.

So until he plays like a man, he gets what he gets. You want the fame, you want the money, you deliver. Period.

If you're a superstar you lead. Every other prime time player does it, we expect it.

Exactly!!! I kept asking, what has Melo done since he's got here except cause chaos between, coaches, players, and fans? The players we gave up would give you 100% every night no matter what. This dude sulks when things not going his way? After gutting our whole roster to bring you here, you doing want to put forth any effort cause the system doesn't fit your game? Really???

Have you seen Ray Felton this year?

Gut the roster indeed. I'm sure we'd be battling for the third seed right now if not for that stupid Melo trade.

When are you haters going to wake up and smell the Nuggetty sphincter?

jrodmc wrote:

VCoug wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

MS wrote:Action stop making excuses for Melo. The guy has sucked this year. No debate. Have we won? No. Has he been a leader? No. Does he play hard every night? No. Did he come into the season in great shape. No. Have the Knicks been one of the most dissapointing teams in the entire league. Yes.

If he has the shot with the game on the line he takes it period. If you're playing Denver and your upset that Gallo is outplaying your bitch ass and your force a game winner with three guys on you fading away you get what you deserve.

So until he plays like a man, he gets what he gets. You want the fame, you want the money, you deliver. Period.

If you're a superstar you lead. Every other prime time player does it, we expect it.

Exactly!!! I kept asking, what has Melo done since he's got here except cause chaos between, coaches, players, and fans? The players we gave up would give you 100% every night no matter what. This dude sulks when things not going his way? After gutting our whole roster to bring you here, you doing want to put forth any effort cause the system doesn't fit your game? Really???

Have you seen Ray Felton this year?

Have you seen Moz's stat line this year? 2011-12 Statistics: PPG 5.6 RPG 4.40 APG 0.5 EFF + 7.88
Have you seen the great year Wilson had in China?
Have you seen this:

PPG 15.2 RPG 4.90 APG 2.6 EFF + 15.94

PPG 20.6 RPG 5.80 APG 3.9 EFF + 17.19

Gut the roster indeed. I'm sure we'd be battling for the third seed right now if not for that stupid Melo trade.

When are you haters going to wake up and smell the Nuggetty sphincter?

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

VCoug wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

MS wrote:Action stop making excuses for Melo. The guy has sucked this year. No debate. Have we won? No. Has he been a leader? No. Does he play hard every night? No. Did he come into the season in great shape. No. Have the Knicks been one of the most dissapointing teams in the entire league. Yes.

If he has the shot with the game on the line he takes it period. If you're playing Denver and your upset that Gallo is outplaying your bitch ass and your force a game winner with three guys on you fading away you get what you deserve.

So until he plays like a man, he gets what he gets. You want the fame, you want the money, you deliver. Period.

If you're a superstar you lead. Every other prime time player does it, we expect it.

Exactly!!! I kept asking, what has Melo done since he's got here except cause chaos between, coaches, players, and fans? The players we gave up would give you 100% every night no matter what. This dude sulks when things not going his way? After gutting our whole roster to bring you here, you doing want to put forth any effort cause the system doesn't fit your game? Really???

Have you seen Ray Felton this year?

Have you seen Moz's stat line this year? 2011-12 Statistics: PPG 5.6 RPG 4.40 APG 0.5 EFF + 7.88
Have you seen the great year Wilson had in China?
Have you seen this:

PPG 15.2 RPG 4.90 APG 2.6 EFF + 15.94

PPG 20.6 RPG 5.80 APG 3.9 EFF + 17.19

Gut the roster indeed. I'm sure we'd be battling for the third seed right now if not for that stupid Melo trade.

When are you haters going to wake up and smell the Nuggetty sphincter?

This has to be the most misguided statistical analysis I've seen in a long time.

And Moz, I'm sure we'd rather have another year of cap space flex and his fabulous production then TC, right? Or suppose we kept Moz? Is a third rate C really helping your argument even if TC comes here to play with nobody?

Let's skip Wilson, since we all realize CBA statistics are drastically underrated.

That leaves us a simple head to head with everyone's favorite HOF'er, Gallo.

Show me all the intagibles that offset those simple numbers. List them for me. Tell me how the singular talent of a relatively poor man's Toni Kukoc and another year of cap space flex was going to get you to the promised land any time sooner than we already are?

Your response is probably the most insightful analysis I've ever read on this board.