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misterearl
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3/19/2012  10:53 AM
GustavBahler - props back at you for understanding the angles. You hit the open man.

Nalod - you ever watch how Shumpert gets low and drop steps into his defensive stance like a cobra? The Lakers may have the black mamba... we have The Chocolate Cobra.

... and yes, Stevie Wonder is no Jerry Lucas in terms of overall game, but he spreads the floor nearly to halfcourt. Can you imagine what Lucas would have done with a three point line? Ridiculous.

Would Brainy brotha (nobody memorizes a city phone book) Jerry Lucas make a perfect shot doctor for Landry Fields?

Every time Mike Bibby makes a jumper, a Harlem Globetrotter pulls the confetti in the water bucket trick.

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3/19/2012  11:00 AM
misterearl wrote:The Elephant In The Freakin' Room

Forget Carmelo.

Has anyone considered that Mike Woodson has made Tyson Chandler a more inspired basketball player?

Note Chandler's involvement in the offense?

"It's everything from defensive rebounding to rotations to blocked shots to talking. I've known every screen that's been coming pretty much in the last two games. I've heard it from the big men. They're calling it out. They're active, so it's very collective right now and when that's going, it's scary."

You give the big man touches and he responds.

It ain't that deep. or is it?

Do you happen to catch Chandler getting a (DEEP) post play called for him, and, he actually scored on a pretty hook? Where was that before? that was sweet!

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3/19/2012  11:12 AM
misterearl wrote:fish.mike - you have been around sports (and Knicks basketball) long enough to know that things are never so simple as one player quitting.
actually I totally disagree, it often is this simple. Melo/MDA was a dark cloud over the team. It ended up costing a guy his job, but thats life in the big city. EVery player was releived this nonesense was just over and could get back to playing basketball. It really was that simple.

When the Giants were really struggling I remember an interview on the FAN with Justin Tuck. Fatcessa asked him what it was going to take to turn this thing around and I think Tuck really nailed it. He said "we just need a break to get the momentum going." Like Houston's floater that made a career for Jeff Van Gundy... Sports really is that simple sometimes.

The important thing is its working now.

Not a big Woodson fan. He did nothing impressive that left a noticable mark in his prior coaching job, aside from featuring Joe Johnson so much his offense was labeled "iso-joe"

That being said the team is playing hard and this guy deserves his shot. I will support him just like I did MDA and the prior coaches

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3/19/2012  11:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/19/2012  11:15 AM
The Answer Man Never Goes For The Head Fake, He Watches The Waist

mrKnickShot wrote:Q. Do you happen to catch Chandler getting a (DEEP) post play called for him?

A. Absolutely.

mrKnickShot wrote:Q. Where was that before?

A. That is exactly what Tyson Chandler may have asked.

One final word.

fish.mike - While all the Knicks writers were beating the drums for a Carmelo Controversy, they forget to ask themselves a fundamental question, "when there is a losing streak, who is the most frustrated player of all?"

(think about it for you jump in with an answer)

You are gunna love the answer: the player who has experienced the most success. The one with the ring.

Which invites the question, is Tyson Chandler a locker room cancer?

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3/19/2012  11:17 AM
They Said It

fishmike wrote:(Mike Woodson) did nothing impressive that left a noticable mark in his prior coaching job, aside from featuring Joe Johnson so much his offense was labeled "iso-joe"

Really?

"I want opposing teams to come in and not know who’s going to get them offensively. When you build a team like that, everybody feels like they’re a part of it. Everybody talked about in Atlanta, this so-called isolation ball that I ran. It’s so untrue.

"I had six guys that averaged in double figures. We were second in the league in offensive efficiency. We were No. 1 in not turning it over. That’s important to me that everybody on this team is happy offensively; they get shots when they need them, and at the end of the day when it’s crunch time, I’m going to go to the guy that I think can get it done."

- Mike Woodson

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3/19/2012  11:20 AM
misterearl wrote:They Said It

fishmike wrote:(Mike Woodson) did nothing impressive that left a noticable mark in his prior coaching job, aside from featuring Joe Johnson so much his offense was labeled "iso-joe"

Really?

"I want opposing teams to come in and not know who’s going to get them offensively. When you build a team like that, everybody feels like they’re a part of it. Everybody talked about in Atlanta, this so-called isolation ball that I ran. It’s so untrue.

"I had six guys that averaged in double figures. We were second in the league in offensive efficiency. We were No. 1 in not turning it over. That’s important to me that everybody on this team is happy offensively; they get shots when they need them, and at the end of the day when it’s crunch time, I’m going to go to the guy that I think can get it done."

- Mike Woodson

Typical NY media/fan propaganda. Say it enough times and people start posting it as fact.

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3/19/2012  11:23 AM
misterearl wrote:They Said It

fishmike wrote:(Mike Woodson) did nothing impressive that left a noticable mark in his prior coaching job, aside from featuring Joe Johnson so much his offense was labeled "iso-joe"

Really?

"I want opposing teams to come in and not know who’s going to get them offensively. When you build a team like that, everybody feels like they’re a part of it. Everybody talked about in Atlanta, this so-called isolation ball that I ran. It’s so untrue.

"I had six guys that averaged in double figures. We were second in the league in offensive efficiency. We were No. 1 in not turning it over. That’s important to me that everybody on this team is happy offensively; they get shots when they need them, and at the end of the day when it’s crunch time, I’m going to go to the guy that I think can get it done."

- Mike Woodson

Really. Those things were important to MDA, but Melo didnt want to join the fun did he?

Mike Woodson
Overall: 193 - 217
Playoffs: 11 - 15

There are 30 coaches out there as talented and accomplished as Mike Woodson. It comes down to personality. If the team plays hard for him on both ends the Knicks will be good. If one of the stars quits and or decides this isnt the right coach for him the carousel turns again.

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3/19/2012  11:28 AM
mrKnickShot wrote:Typical NY media/fan propaganda. Say it enough times and people start posting it as fact.

No propaganda homeskillet. That is a direct quote.

I live in Atlanta and watched the Hawks up close. Their regular season productivity was negated by some ugly playoffs results. That is on Woodson. Howsineva, do not overlook the fact he coached-up an immature, redundant roster of small forwards. Joe Johnson is the most limited NBA player in his understanding of team basketball. His overall communication skills are on a fourth grade level.

The fun part is our roster fits together better. At least on paper.

Our guys are brighter, more mature and ready to be pushed.

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3/19/2012  11:32 AM
misterearl wrote:
mrKnickShot wrote:Typical NY media/fan propaganda. Say it enough times and people start posting it as fact.

No propaganda homeskillet. That is a direct quote.

I live in Atlanta and watched the Hawks up close. Their regular season productivity was negated by some ugly playoffs results. That is on Woodson. Howsineva, do not overlook the fact he coached-up an immature, redundant roster of small forwards. Joe Johnson is the most limited NBA player in his understanding of team basketball. His overall communication skills are on a fourth grade level.

The fun part is our roster fits together better. At least on paper.

Our guys are brighter, more mature and ready to be pushed.


Mike Woodson is in a position to succeed where MDA was not, or at least MORE of a position. I agree, its a team with a nice mix of veteran and youth. Great size, explosive scoring, etc

Ironically with MDA gone, but this team probably goes as far as JR and Steve can shoot them come playoff time. If those guys get hot we can hang with the Heat or Bulls no problem.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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3/19/2012  11:38 AM
Stay Healthy My Friends

fishmike wrote:... this team probably goes as far as JR and Steve can shoot them come playoff time. If those guys get hot we can hang with the Heat or Bulls no problem.

Discount Triple Check and JR are locked in. The crowd at MSG loves them and they love the crowd back. No sweat.

Watching Kendall Marshall of UNC land on his wrist should remind us that Tyson Chandler is STILL our most essential playoffs player. His injured wrist will likely not have the time to heal completely before the season is over.

Somebody get that man some Advil.

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3/19/2012  12:00 PM
misterearl wrote:Stay Healthy My Friends

fishmike wrote:... this team probably goes as far as JR and Steve can shoot them come playoff time. If those guys get hot we can hang with the Heat or Bulls no problem.

Discount Triple Check and JR are locked in. The crowd at MSG loves them and they love the crowd back. No sweat.

Watching Kendall Marshall of UNC land on his wrist should remind us that Tyson Chandler is STILL our most essential playoffs player. His injured wrist will likely not have the time to heal completely before the season is over.

Somebody get that man some Advil.

yes.. its not even up for debate. If Amare/Melo goes down others can pick up scoring. MDA was 100% right and Woodson knows it too... Tyson Chandler is the heart of this team
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3/19/2012  12:10 PM
fishmike wrote:
misterearl wrote:Stay Healthy My Friends

fishmike wrote:... this team probably goes as far as JR and Steve can shoot them come playoff time. If those guys get hot we can hang with the Heat or Bulls no problem.

Discount Triple Check and JR are locked in. The crowd at MSG loves them and they love the crowd back. No sweat.

Watching Kendall Marshall of UNC land on his wrist should remind us that Tyson Chandler is STILL our most essential playoffs player. His injured wrist will likely not have the time to heal completely before the season is over.

Somebody get that man some Advil.

yes.. its not even up for debate. If Amare/Melo goes down others can pick up scoring. MDA was 100% right and Woodson knows it too... Tyson Chandler is the heart of this team

Not it the playoffs. Not a chance in hell! We will need half court scoring in the playoffs and without Melo and Stat we have no real half court game.

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3/19/2012  12:27 PM
Thanks Earl, much appreciated. It just seems like some folks want to talk about anything but hoops. Its nice to have a little diversion now and then, I go there myself sometimes, but I would think with this recent turnaround and the new regime that the discussion would have shifted more towards the future than these pie fights about the past.

I don't care who was at fault at this point. I care about whether or not the Knicks make the playoffs and how far they go and what happens beyond that. If others feel differently, more power to ya.

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3/21/2012  8:08 AM
Groundhog Day

GustavBahler - This is really starting to feel like 1999 all over again.

The drama between Van Gundy and Spree coming off the bench is child's play compared to the angst over which Carmelo will show up. The one who plays on an island, hoists bad shots and kills coaches... or the one who rebounds, moves his feet on defense and steals the ball to initiate a fast break?

There is a magic quality of the unexpected because there is not a team in the NBA that looks forward to visiting Madison Square Garden in late April. You think it's loud now? Stay tuned.

Like you, I could care less about the past. We are the best theatre on Broadway. Our stage is the brightest in the league and we have the most vocal following in the history of the NBA. We got Spike Lee, Woody Allen, Tracy Morgan, Fat Joe, Tom Brokaw and a bunch of celebrities at courtside. We got people chanting defense, the chant that started in the blue seats. We got Tina. Hell, we even got Knicks fan Tony Kornheiser. He is as personable a guy up close as he is on television.

We got twelve men starting to figure it out under a no-nonsense coach.

Beat Philadelphia.

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3/21/2012  9:00 AM
MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:"You wont be happy if your wife ain't happy...Believe that.."

That's exactly right, because Carmelo acted like a woman.

way to be sexist man. that ish wasn't called for.

peace

Forum Po Po and #33 for a reason...
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3/21/2012  9:10 AM
IF this keeps up for the rest of the season, then it was obvious that the mix of Melo and MDA was bad. I think that is obvious now. MDA realized it and left. Good for him and the team, so it seems. I hat that Melo couldnot play hard for him and make a go of it but for whatever reason he didn't. No he has to. If he runs another coach out, then he will be labeled as a coach killer the rest of his career and that may cost him some $$

I said it before and I will say it again. With the way the team is responding, it looks like Woodson is the Knicks version of Joe Torre. An average manager at the right time and place with the right players, becomes a championship manager. Could it be? Let's hope so.

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3/21/2012  9:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/21/2012  9:49 AM
GoNyGoNyGo - if Deron Williams could force Jerry Sloan to walk...

Bottom line, no more sloppy effort against average teams.

If the Knicks can maintain their cohesion over the next three weeks, Mike Woodson goatees will be the fashion accessory for Easter.

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