Lin will continue to surprise people even after they know he can play, thanks to all who still underestimate him.

Skills can be practiced. Smarts are given at birth. Lin has smarts.

GustavBahler wrote:If Lin turns the ball over 5-6 times a game then in all likelihood he will sit and have his minutes cut. I don't see Bibby supplanting Lin in the rotation but he will get some of his minutes.

D'Antoni is one of the few coaches in this league who would allow a young player to turn the ball over that much without any repercussions. Despite his limitations offensively, Bibby doesn't turn the ball over and keeps the offense running. He played under Woodson for three years and knows his offense.

I don't see Bibby getting major minutes (and shouldn't) or moving Lin down the bench, but if this team wants to contend its going to have to cut down on the turnovers and Lin is the biggest culprit right now. If anything its incentive for Lin get the turnovers under control and that's not necessarily a bad thing right now.

Making a legit run in a strike shortened season is more important right now than Lin's development. Woodson is fighting for his job as well so its not realistic to expect him to give Lin that much rope, not with so few games left in the season.

With all due respect Bibby couldn't keep anything running if his life depended on it. Lin needs support from Woodson he soesn't need to be benched. The exact opposite will happen.

fishmike wrote:Welcome to MSG Woody!

Guess what folks.... Jeremy isnt going anywhere, and if Woodson cant make it work the next Knick coach will need to be able to work with the "stars" as well as Lin who because of who is and his marketing power. Lin remaining a starter or at least being a heavy rotation player and being labelled "the PG of the future" is forgone conclusion because no owner would cares about making money would let Lin slip by the wayside.

Dont worry about Lin. He's here to stay.

Yea they had to make some kind of public statement to that effect. MSG just inked another major deal with another Taiwanese company. They've seen a boost all the way around from Lin. It's really the best safeguard Lin has. If not for that I think they would start to phase him out.

fishmike wrote:Welcome to MSG Woody!

Guess what folks.... Jeremy isnt going anywhere, and if Woodson cant make it work the next Knick coach will need to be able to work with the "stars" as well as Lin who because of who is and his marketing power. Lin remaining a starter or at least being a heavy rotation player and being labelled "the PG of the future" is forgone conclusion because no owner would cares about making money would let Lin slip by the wayside.

Dont worry about Lin. He's here to stay.

yeah but look who our owner is?

loweyecue wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If Lin turns the ball over 5-6 times a game then in all likelihood he will sit and have his minutes cut. I don't see Bibby supplanting Lin in the rotation but he will get some of his minutes.

D'Antoni is one of the few coaches in this league who would allow a young player to turn the ball over that much without any repercussions. Despite his limitations offensively, Bibby doesn't turn the ball over and keeps the offense running. He played under Woodson for three years and knows his offense.

I don't see Bibby getting major minutes (and shouldn't) or moving Lin down the bench, but if this team wants to contend its going to have to cut down on the turnovers and Lin is the biggest culprit right now. If anything its incentive for Lin get the turnovers under control and that's not necessarily a bad thing right now.

Making a legit run in a strike shortened season is more important right now than Lin's development. Woodson is fighting for his job as well so its not realistic to expect him to give Lin that much rope, not with so few games left in the season.

With all due respect Bibby couldn't keep anything running if his life depended on it. Lin needs support from Woodson he soesn't need to be benched. The exact opposite will happen.

Bibby might be everyone's favorite punching bag here, but he doesn't turn the ball over very much, moves the ball well enough for his limited minutes, and rarely forces the issue. No one, especially me, is suggesting he's the answer, or that he should get big minutes. But giving Lin a green light to play without any concern for turnovers isn't going to do Lin any good short or long term.

If anything its going to hinder his development. It was all well and good when Lin was an unknown commodity and racking up the W's, but now that teams have his game scoped out, its foolish to make the kid think that its ok to turn the ball over that much and not have to pay the price.

Its like telling Shumpert to jack up as many bad shots as he likes, all it does is reinforce the notion that not playing smart doesn't have any consequences. If anything its tough love and its whats done pretty much to every other young player starting in this league.

Lin isn't being singled out, he's being treated like any other professional. If he was still putting up Linsanity type numbers I'd see your point, but there aren't many games left and its no time to let Lin play without regard for turnovers and the cost to the team and the hunt for the 8 spot. All I'm suggesting is that 5-6 turnovers games is going to eat into Lin's minutes, not that its going to get him sent to the 11 or twelve spot.

I'm a big fan of Lin's but he still has some big flaws in his game and the best way to get him to learn is to bench him when he isn't playing smart and have him sit on the bench and learn. This is not a novel approach and it works most of the time.

GustavBahler wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:If Lin turns the ball over 5-6 times a game then in all likelihood he will sit and have his minutes cut. I don't see Bibby supplanting Lin in the rotation but he will get some of his minutes.

D'Antoni is one of the few coaches in this league who would allow a young player to turn the ball over that much without any repercussions. Despite his limitations offensively, Bibby doesn't turn the ball over and keeps the offense running. He played under Woodson for three years and knows his offense.

I don't see Bibby getting major minutes (and shouldn't) or moving Lin down the bench, but if this team wants to contend its going to have to cut down on the turnovers and Lin is the biggest culprit right now. If anything its incentive for Lin get the turnovers under control and that's not necessarily a bad thing right now.

Making a legit run in a strike shortened season is more important right now than Lin's development. Woodson is fighting for his job as well so its not realistic to expect him to give Lin that much rope, not with so few games left in the season.

With all due respect Bibby couldn't keep anything running if his life depended on it. Lin needs support from Woodson he soesn't need to be benched. The exact opposite will happen.

Bibby might be everyone's favorite punching bag here, but he doesn't turn the ball over very much, moves the ball well enough for his limited minutes, and rarely forces the issue. No one, especially me, is suggesting he's the answer, or that he should get big minutes. But giving Lin a green light to play without any concern for turnovers isn't going to do Lin any good short or long term.

If anything its going to hinder his development. It was all well and good when Lin was an unknown commodity and racking up the W's, but now that teams have his game scoped out, its foolish to make the kid think that its ok to turn the ball over that much and not have to pay the price.

Its like telling Shumpert to jack up as many bad shots as he likes, all it does is reinforce the notion that not playing smart doesn't have any consequences. If anything its tough love and its whats done pretty much to every other young player starting in this league.

Lin isn't being singled out, he's being treated like any other professional. If he was still putting up Linsanity type numbers I'd see your point, but there aren't many games left and its no time to let Lin play without regard for turnovers and the cost to the team and the hunt for the 8 spot. All I'm suggesting is that 5-6 turnovers games is going to eat into Lin's minutes, not that its going to get him sent to the 11 or twelve spot.

I'm a big fan of Lin's but he still has some big flaws in his game and the best way to get him to learn is to bench him when he isn't playing smart and have him sit on the bench and learn. This is not a novel approach and it works most of the time.

I don't think he is being treated like any other professional is a good argument especially for this coaching situation. When the first statement he made is I am gonna keep going to Melo and STAT who are not producing anywhere remotely close to what they are paid to do and are NOT wing held accountable. To then turnaround and justify that Lin should sit because he isn't putting up 27/10 is ridiculous.

Melo and Amare also have big flaws like not playing defense, not understanding what team ball means (Melo), not being able to grab more rebounds (Amare). But everyone is suddenly focused on TOs by Lin.

And I never said he should stop coaching Lin on his TOs either.

crzymdups wrote:wow. some of the new guys who joined during linsanity are still going linsane. smfh.

what are you referring to?

JamesKPolk wrote:How long until people start clamoring to fire Woody?

When will people realize this is not all coaching? I guess when it's too late, as usual.

Why wait? I'm ready now. I think I will post my "Fire Woody" thread now so I can say "I told you so" later.