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4/8/2012  4:21 PM
F*&^% a stat. How about the eyeball test?!!!!!
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4/8/2012  4:21 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
holfresh wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Cheers!

hey, bonn, today's game tying shot by melo... i know it wasn't clutch because the sample size was too small.

Bonn, i know melo just hit two game-saving 3s, but i agree, it's a very small sample size.


They were *exciting* plays and Melo played like a superstar (although obviously the 37 other points were more important than the two 3s you mention). The whole notion of being "clutch" is just a misunderstanding of statistics and going 2 for 2 doesn't somehow change that. It was still very exciting though. People love 1 game anecdotes though and I had a feeling this thread would get bumped.

U sound excited...


Excited with the game and with the potential of Melo at PF? Absolutely.
Frustrated with people's misunderstanding of statistics and science? Yes. (That's a problem of our nation as a whole, not simply any sports message board.)

STAT's misses the flow/feel of the game entirely...The STATs u seem to live by are merely a footnote of what's actually going on...
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4/8/2012  4:22 PM
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crzymdups wrote:guys, guys, the sample size is too small. don't you see?

at least you know that. we'll have to wait until he gets 389 game winning attempts--at least--before we can weigh in definitively

i disagree. once melo has 1000 shot attempts in close end game situations, then we'll truly be able to evaluate whether the sample size is big enough to call melo clutch.

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4/8/2012  4:24 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Cheers!

hey, bonn, today's game tying shot by melo... i know it wasn't clutch because the sample size was too small.

Bonn, i know melo just hit two game-saving 3s, but i agree, it's a very small sample size.


They were *exciting* plays and Melo played like a superstar (although obviously the 37 other points were more important than the two 3s you mention). The whole notion of being "clutch" is just a misunderstanding of statistics and going 2 for 2 doesn't somehow change that. It was still very exciting though. People love 1 game anecdotes though and I had a feeling this thread would get bumped.

bonn, i love how you say small sample size... the sample size is THE LAST TEN YEARS OF NBA BASKETBALL.

would you like a larger sample size than the last decade of NBA basketball?

clutch may not be easy to quantify, but by every metric melo is the best in the league during the time he's been in the NBA. the only reason the sample size isn't bigger is because he hasn't played in more close games.

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4/8/2012  4:24 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Anji wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Cheers!

hey, bonn, today's game tying shot by melo... i know it wasn't clutch because the sample size was too small.

Bonn, i know melo just hit two game-saving 3s, but i agree, it's a very small sample size.


They were *exciting* plays and Melo played like a superstar (although obviously the 37 other points were more important than the two 3s you mention). The whole notion of being "clutch" is just a misunderstanding of statistics and going 2 for 2 doesn't somehow change that. It was still very exciting though. People love 1 game anecdotes though and I had a feeling this thread would get bumped.

Really, just a feeling??? You have at least 15 other threads just like this one,of course one of them are going to get bumped............ we could fill the first page with you're bumps!!!


I did not bump this thread. Your post makes no sense.

You don't understand that you've been posting the same **** over many threads and we the posters of Ulimateknicks might want to bump one...................or maybe when I say we could fill the first page with all your rag on Melo threads, you think that includes you too???
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4/8/2012  4:26 PM
You didn't start the thread but it has your stink all in it...........I stand by my post!!!!
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4/8/2012  4:27 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Cheers!

hey, bonn, today's game tying shot by melo... i know it wasn't clutch because the sample size was too small.

Bonn, i know melo just hit two game-saving 3s, but i agree, it's a very small sample size.


They were *exciting* plays and Melo played like a superstar (although obviously the 37 other points were more important than the two 3s you mention). The whole notion of being "clutch" is just a misunderstanding of statistics and going 2 for 2 doesn't somehow change that. It was still very exciting though. People love 1 game anecdotes though and I had a feeling this thread would get bumped.

bonn, i love how you say small sample size... the sample size is THE LAST TEN YEARS OF NBA BASKETBALL.

would you like a larger sample size than the last decade of NBA basketball?

clutch may not be easy to quantify, but by every metric melo is the best in the league during the time he's been in the NBA. the only reason the sample size isn't bigger is because he hasn't played in more close games.


Ten years is the sample duration, not sample size.
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4/8/2012  4:28 PM
What is the scientific definition of "clutch" anyway?
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4/8/2012  4:33 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Cheers!

hey, bonn, today's game tying shot by melo... i know it wasn't clutch because the sample size was too small.

Bonn, i know melo just hit two game-saving 3s, but i agree, it's a very small sample size.


They were *exciting* plays and Melo played like a superstar (although obviously the 37 other points were more important than the two 3s you mention). The whole notion of being "clutch" is just a misunderstanding of statistics and going 2 for 2 doesn't somehow change that. It was still very exciting though. People love 1 game anecdotes though and I had a feeling this thread would get bumped.

bonn, i love how you say small sample size... the sample size is THE LAST TEN YEARS OF NBA BASKETBALL.

would you like a larger sample size than the last decade of NBA basketball?

clutch may not be easy to quantify, but by every metric melo is the best in the league during the time he's been in the NBA. the only reason the sample size isn't bigger is because he hasn't played in more close games.


Ten years is the sample duration, not sample size.

the sample size is 820 games per NBA player aka 10yrs. melo has the best FG% in late game "clutch" shots.

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4/8/2012  4:33 PM
BasketballJones wrote:What is the scientific definition of "clutch" anyway?

bonn will let you know when someone puts together a large enough body of work.

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4/8/2012  4:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/8/2012  4:36 PM
crzymdups wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:What is the scientific definition of "clutch" anyway?

bonn will let you know when someone puts together a large enough body of work.

My body of work is pretty extensive. I have a sample size of 10,783 posts.

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4/8/2012  4:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/8/2012  4:36 PM
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Cheers!

hey, bonn, today's game tying shot by melo... i know it wasn't clutch because the sample size was too small.

Bonn, i know melo just hit two game-saving 3s, but i agree, it's a very small sample size.


They were *exciting* plays and Melo played like a superstar (although obviously the 37 other points were more important than the two 3s you mention). The whole notion of being "clutch" is just a misunderstanding of statistics and going 2 for 2 doesn't somehow change that. It was still very exciting though. People love 1 game anecdotes though and I had a feeling this thread would get bumped.

bonn, i love how you say small sample size... the sample size is THE LAST TEN YEARS OF NBA BASKETBALL.

would you like a larger sample size than the last decade of NBA basketball?

clutch may not be easy to quantify, but by every metric melo is the best in the league during the time he's been in the NBA. the only reason the sample size isn't bigger is because he hasn't played in more close games.


Ten years is the sample duration, not sample size.

the sample size is 820 games per NBA player aka 10yrs. melo has the best FG% in late game "clutch" shots.


I'm referring to the sample we are judging Carmelo by (44 shots), not any sample used to assess his relative ranking to other players. Those rankings will not be meaningful if each player's statistics are based on small samples.
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4/8/2012  4:36 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Cheers!

hey, bonn, today's game tying shot by melo... i know it wasn't clutch because the sample size was too small.

Bonn, i know melo just hit two game-saving 3s, but i agree, it's a very small sample size.


They were *exciting* plays and Melo played like a superstar (although obviously the 37 other points were more important than the two 3s you mention). The whole notion of being "clutch" is just a misunderstanding of statistics and going 2 for 2 doesn't somehow change that. It was still very exciting though. People love 1 game anecdotes though and I had a feeling this thread would get bumped.

bonn, i love how you say small sample size... the sample size is THE LAST TEN YEARS OF NBA BASKETBALL.

would you like a larger sample size than the last decade of NBA basketball?

clutch may not be easy to quantify, but by every metric melo is the best in the league during the time he's been in the NBA. the only reason the sample size isn't bigger is because he hasn't played in more close games.


Ten years is the sample duration, not sample size.

the sample size is 820 games per NBA player aka 10yrs. melo has the best FG% in late game "clutch" shots.


I'm referring to the sample we are judging Carmelo by (44 shots).

Not disagreeing with you, but what *would* be an adequate sample size in your scientific opinion?

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4/8/2012  4:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/8/2012  4:39 PM
BasketballJones wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Cheers!

hey, bonn, today's game tying shot by melo... i know it wasn't clutch because the sample size was too small.

Bonn, i know melo just hit two game-saving 3s, but i agree, it's a very small sample size.


They were *exciting* plays and Melo played like a superstar (although obviously the 37 other points were more important than the two 3s you mention). The whole notion of being "clutch" is just a misunderstanding of statistics and going 2 for 2 doesn't somehow change that. It was still very exciting though. People love 1 game anecdotes though and I had a feeling this thread would get bumped.

bonn, i love how you say small sample size... the sample size is THE LAST TEN YEARS OF NBA BASKETBALL.

would you like a larger sample size than the last decade of NBA basketball?

clutch may not be easy to quantify, but by every metric melo is the best in the league during the time he's been in the NBA. the only reason the sample size isn't bigger is because he hasn't played in more close games.


Ten years is the sample duration, not sample size.

the sample size is 820 games per NBA player aka 10yrs. melo has the best FG% in late game "clutch" shots.


I'm referring to the sample we are judging Carmelo by (44 shots).

Not disagreeing with you, but what *would* be an adequate sample size in your scientific opinion?


For FG% to be stable, you would need at least one full season worth of shots, although even from season to season there is substantial variability in players' FG%. I'd say at least 1000 to 2000 shots (which you'll never have obviously when judging how clutch someone is).
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4/8/2012  4:39 PM
you, guys, i really wish we could scientifically PROVE that melo was clutch, that way we could know that when he keeps hitting late game shots to win games that it was REALLY true.
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4/8/2012  4:40 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
BasketballJones wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Cheers!

hey, bonn, today's game tying shot by melo... i know it wasn't clutch because the sample size was too small.

Bonn, i know melo just hit two game-saving 3s, but i agree, it's a very small sample size.


They were *exciting* plays and Melo played like a superstar (although obviously the 37 other points were more important than the two 3s you mention). The whole notion of being "clutch" is just a misunderstanding of statistics and going 2 for 2 doesn't somehow change that. It was still very exciting though. People love 1 game anecdotes though and I had a feeling this thread would get bumped.

bonn, i love how you say small sample size... the sample size is THE LAST TEN YEARS OF NBA BASKETBALL.

would you like a larger sample size than the last decade of NBA basketball?

clutch may not be easy to quantify, but by every metric melo is the best in the league during the time he's been in the NBA. the only reason the sample size isn't bigger is because he hasn't played in more close games.


Ten years is the sample duration, not sample size.

the sample size is 820 games per NBA player aka 10yrs. melo has the best FG% in late game "clutch" shots.


I'm referring to the sample we are judging Carmelo by (44 shots).

Not disagreeing with you, but what *would* be an adequate sample size in your scientific opinion?


For FG% to be stable, you would need at least one full season worth of shots, although even from season to season there is substantial variability in players' FG%. I'd say at least 1000 to 2000 shots (which you'll never have obviously when judging how clutch someone is).

bonn, we're looking at ten seasons worth of shots for every player in the nba. please come up with a better argument. thanks.

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4/9/2012  1:02 AM
Melo sure as hell looked as clutch as they come in the game vs. the Bulls at the end of regulation and in the closing seconds of OT.

He's hit many clutch shots before, too. We can only hope to see many, many more clutch shots from him this season and beyond.

It feels damn good to know that we have clutch shooters on this team helping the Knicks WIN. For far too many years, the Knicks have been the ones on the outside looking in, while other teams' clutch shooters come up with the late-game, last-second heroics.

...it's time that the New York Knicks get some of that shine. I hope Melo and the rest of this team clutch-shoots the Knicks to a championship.

Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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4/9/2012  8:25 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/9/2012  8:26 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/16302/carmelo-clutch

Carmelo = Clutch
April, 9, 2012
APR 9
7:00
AM ET
By Ian Begley | ESPNNewYork.com

This isn't exactly breaking news, but Carmelo Anthony is pretty clutch.

Anyone who saw the Knicks overtime win against Chicago on Sunday afternoon can tell you that. Anthony hit a game-tying three-pointer with 11 seconds to go in regulation and a game-winning 3-pointer with 8 seconds left in overtime to beat the Bulls.

It was Anthony's signature moment as a Knick; he ranked the shots as one of the top moments in a career full of clutch buckets.

And he's had more than his fair share.

Among players that have taken at least 20 field goal attempts in game-tying or game-winning situations in the last 15 seconds of the 4th quarter or overtime, Anthony ranks first in field-goal percentage (46.2), according to the Elias Sports Bureau. He has made 24 of 52.

His 24 field goals are second to Kobe Bryant's 26. But Bryant is shooting 30.2 percent in 'clutch' situations (26-86).

Anthony's game-winning three-pointer was somewhat of a rarity. It was the second time he's won a game with a three-pointer in the final 30 seconds of a game but just the fourth time he's done so in his eight-year career. So most of his clutch shots have come inside the arc.

Also, Anthony is the fifth player in the last five seasons to make a game-tying shot in the last 15 seconds of regulation and a game-winner in the last 15 seconds of OT. Dirk Nowitzki last did it in 2009.

You can follow Ian Begley on Twitter.

End of Discussion.
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4/9/2012  8:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 4/9/2012  8:56 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
crzymdups wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Cheers!

hey, bonn, today's game tying shot by melo... i know it wasn't clutch because the sample size was too small.

Bonn, i know melo just hit two game-saving 3s, but i agree, it's a very small sample size.


They were *exciting* plays and Melo played like a superstar (although obviously the 37 other points were more important than the two 3s you mention). The whole notion of being "clutch" is just a misunderstanding of statistics and going 2 for 2 doesn't somehow change that. It was still very exciting though. People love 1 game anecdotes though and I had a feeling this thread would get bumped.

I put in bold what I took from everyone's posts. Remember Bball falls under the category of entertainment and *exciting* plays; superstar; clutch; tying shot by melo; two game-saving 3s; still very exciting; etc. create fan excitement; buying tickets; buying merchandise; watching games on TV; higher ratings and more money from advertisers; higher seat prices; etc. Dolan is salivating on this "clutch" win because fans will remember this win and have already forgotten our big losing streak earlier in the season. It was a great win! And Melo played great! Let's enjoy it.

Regarding statistics - as Bonn has repeatedly stated, Size matters.

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4/11/2012  11:59 PM
small sample size, but melo came up clutch again. he's only been doing it for 9 years or so, but when we have a bigger sample size we'll know for sure.
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