Uptown wrote:With all the pile-on Melo threads, just wanted to point out that it seems like other players in the locker room are also questioning the coach.

The other players that are questioning MDA was the guy with the long beard wearing a suit on the bench and the guy in China missing practice during Linsanity.

GustavBahler wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I agree that Melo's behavior lately has been poor to say the least but that doesn't mean the D'Antoni is blameless in this either. All in all he's been a lousy tactician, a sub par motivator, and meager manager of talent.

A big reason for the constant roster changes was because MDA wasn't getting the most out of what he had. If they got equal value for Melo at this point and it made sense chemistry wise then I'd be open to a move if Melo wants out and its past the point of no return. Just as those of you who can gloss over every poor decision MDA has made over the last 4 years should be open to getting a new coach who can do a better job of maximizing the talent after this season if this team can't make the playoffs or can't make a respectable showing if they get there.

D'Antoni has done absolutely nothing to make a case that he deserves an extension. The record doesn't reflect it and after 4 years of futility that's all that matters. Not the roster changes, not Melo, the record.

What happens if Melo gets traded by thursday? Do we reset the clock yet again because D'Antoni needs more time? What will be the excuse then if it doesn't work out? Who will you want to trade next? Right now its a pox on both their houses situation, no one's hands are clean and its silly to act like its just about Melo. We sucked before Melo and we will probably suck after Melo without a new coach.

You could replace the coach if that’s what needs to be done in order to right the ship, but there is no denying that the MAIN reason for this year’s team underachieving right now, is Melo not living up to his expectation, especially his poor body language and behavior. GREAT PLAYERS have the rare ability of making mediocre players or coaches look good, if you don’t believe just ask Vinnie Del Negro in LA what he thinks about his TRUE GREAT PLAYER CP3.

Its not just about Melo, he isn't the only player who hasn't lived up to expectations this season, if it was just about him the record most likely would be different. Yes Lin had that record breaking run but it was bound to end whether Melo came back or not. And the flipside to your argument is that great coaches can maximize the talent they have on hand. D'Antoni couldn't do it before Melo so this isn't an isolated incident. Like I said there is enough blame to go around.

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While I agree that there is enough blame to go around, MDA had the Knicks in the playoff last year with a very young team, and they did make the playoff after many years of not making it. As far as the years before, how exactly any coach is supposes to win a championship with Duhon, Q Rich, and Al Harrington in your starting lineup? Do you truly follow the NBA?

They got into the playoffs and got swept. It wasn't so much the sweep but how they lost and D'Antoni's coaching.

As for the rest of your post, please show where I said that they should have won a championship with last year's lineup? No one on this board has even come close to suggesting that. If I did you would be right to ask if I was watching games.

Yes the Knicks got swept because Billups was hurt, Amare got hurt, (and still hasn’t recover fully), Douglas was hurt, we had no shooting guard, no center, no bench and our second healthiest player was Jared Jeffrey.

As far as the previous two years what exactly was your expectation with the team we had? They won around 30 games one season and most of our younger players were developing nicely. To me that was success for a new under talented team.

GustavBahler wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I agree that Melo's behavior lately has been poor to say the least but that doesn't mean the D'Antoni is blameless in this either. All in all he's been a lousy tactician, a sub par motivator, and meager manager of talent.

A big reason for the constant roster changes was because MDA wasn't getting the most out of what he had. If they got equal value for Melo at this point and it made sense chemistry wise then I'd be open to a move if Melo wants out and its past the point of no return. Just as those of you who can gloss over every poor decision MDA has made over the last 4 years should be open to getting a new coach who can do a better job of maximizing the talent after this season if this team can't make the playoffs or can't make a respectable showing if they get there.

D'Antoni has done absolutely nothing to make a case that he deserves an extension. The record doesn't reflect it and after 4 years of futility that's all that matters. Not the roster changes, not Melo, the record.

What happens if Melo gets traded by thursday? Do we reset the clock yet again because D'Antoni needs more time? What will be the excuse then if it doesn't work out? Who will you want to trade next? Right now its a pox on both their houses situation, no one's hands are clean and its silly to act like its just about Melo. We sucked before Melo and we will probably suck after Melo without a new coach.

You could replace the coach if that’s what needs to be done in order to right the ship, but there is no denying that the MAIN reason for this year’s team underachieving right now, is Melo not living up to his expectation, especially his poor body language and behavior. GREAT PLAYERS have the rare ability of making mediocre players or coaches look good, if you don’t believe just ask Vinnie Del Negro in LA what he thinks about his TRUE GREAT PLAYER CP3.

Its not just about Melo, he isn't the only player who hasn't lived up to expectations this season, if it was just about him the record most likely would be different. Yes Lin had that record breaking run but it was bound to end whether Melo came back or not. And the flipside to your argument is that great coaches can maximize the talent they have on hand. D'Antoni couldn't do it before Melo so this isn't an isolated incident. Like I said there is enough blame to go around.

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While I agree that there is enough blame to go around, MDA had the Knicks in the playoff last year with a very young team, and they did make the playoff after many years of not making it. As far as the years before, how exactly any coach is supposes to win a championship with Duhon, Q Rich, and Al Harrington in your starting lineup? Do you truly follow the NBA?

They got into the playoffs and got swept. It wasn't so much the sweep but how they lost and D'Antoni's coaching.

As for the rest of your post, please show where I said that they should have won a championship with last year's lineup? No one on this board has even come close to suggesting that. If I did you would be right to ask if I was watching games.

Yes the Knicks got swept because Billups was hurt, Amare got hurt, (and still hasn’t recover fully), Douglas was hurt, we had no shooting guard, no center, no bench and our second healthiest player was Jared Jeffrey.

As far as the previous two years what exactly was your expectation with the team we had? They won around 30 games one season and most of our younger players were developing nicely. To me that was success for a new under talented team.

I'd have to go back and reread my original critique of what D'Antoni did or didn't do in the playoffs. It was last year and the playoffs aren't fresh enough to give you a detailed response. I do know that there were many of us on this board who weren't happy with the job he did as it was happening. Like I said, not so much the outcome but how we got there.

As for the first two seasons, my expectations were that he would do a better job with what he had. Poor substitution patterns, frequently waiting until the game was almost out of reach to call TO's, poor clock management in crunch time, not getting his players to play hard on a consistent basis, jacking up threes when no one can hit the broad side of a barn.

These are all things that MDA is responsible for. I don't believe anyone thought this team was contending in the first 2 years but I myself expected better coaching and the lack of good coaching I believe is reflected in the record.

“You are what your record says you are.”

Clean wrote:

SteveSmith wrote:

Vmart wrote:

SteveSmith wrote:

Vmart wrote:Like I said before Melo should Q-Rich it. Stand in the corner and Jack at will. Run the floor and let it fly from three point range. Even though posting up and creating mismatches is part of the game our coaching system doesn't call for it. Do what the coach wants and at the end win or lose it won't be on him but the coach.

Like everybody else, I have no idea what exactly coach tells the players, but "stand in the corner and jack at will"? I dont believe for a second thats what hes being told. How about backdoor cuts, setting and using off-ball screens, drives and yes, catch and shoot from the corner?

MDA is about having grown up players that know the basics of basketball and buy in a team concept.

Back door plays get in the way of a pick and roll don't you know.

And what is it that Fields does all the time? What is it that Melo did in the first half of the Boston game? If its not called back door play, call it different, but do it

I totally agree all those Ally opps we get are plays. The Jr smith backdoor cut twice dunk was a play and the Novak offball PNR to the 3pt line is a play. The Ally from the tipoff win is also a play. Seems like some fans have selective memories. MDA has his problems like late game decision making and communication with players but I would not count play making as one.

The dude only calls set plays off time-outs. The rest of the game the play-calling is "Let's Go!" or "Come on, let's Go!" And end of quarter or half plays...let Lin or Baron Davis chuck from the 3 pt line instead actually running anything...SMFH

ChuckBuck wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

KnicksFE wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:I agree that Melo's behavior lately has been poor to say the least but that doesn't mean the D'Antoni is blameless in this either. All in all he's been a lousy tactician, a sub par motivator, and meager manager of talent.

A big reason for the constant roster changes was because MDA wasn't getting the most out of what he had. If they got equal value for Melo at this point and it made sense chemistry wise then I'd be open to a move if Melo wants out and its past the point of no return. Just as those of you who can gloss over every poor decision MDA has made over the last 4 years should be open to getting a new coach who can do a better job of maximizing the talent after this season if this team can't make the playoffs or can't make a respectable showing if they get there.

D'Antoni has done absolutely nothing to make a case that he deserves an extension. The record doesn't reflect it and after 4 years of futility that's all that matters. Not the roster changes, not Melo, the record.

What happens if Melo gets traded by thursday? Do we reset the clock yet again because D'Antoni needs more time? What will be the excuse then if it doesn't work out? Who will you want to trade next? Right now its a pox on both their houses situation, no one's hands are clean and its silly to act like its just about Melo. We sucked before Melo and we will probably suck after Melo without a new coach.

You could replace the coach if that’s what needs to be done in order to right the ship, but there is no denying that the MAIN reason for this year’s team underachieving right now, is Melo not living up to his expectation, especially his poor body language and behavior. GREAT PLAYERS have the rare ability of making mediocre players or coaches look good, if you don’t believe just ask Vinnie Del Negro in LA what he thinks about his TRUE GREAT PLAYER CP3.

Its not just about Melo, he isn't the only player who hasn't lived up to expectations this season, if it was just about him the record most likely would be different. Yes Lin had that record breaking run but it was bound to end whether Melo came back or not. And the flipside to your argument is that great coaches can maximize the talent they have on hand. D'Antoni couldn't do it before Melo so this isn't an isolated incident. Like I said there is enough blame to go around.

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While I agree that there is enough blame to go around, MDA had the Knicks in the playoff last year with a very young team, and they did make the playoff after many years of not making it. As far as the years before, how exactly any coach is supposes to win a championship with Duhon, Q Rich, and Al Harrington in your starting lineup? Do you truly follow the NBA?

They got into the playoffs and got swept. It wasn't so much the sweep but how they lost and D'Antoni's coaching.

As for the rest of your post, please show where I said that they should have won a championship with last year's lineup? No one on this board has even come close to suggesting that. If I did you would be right to ask if I was watching games.

Yes the Knicks got swept because Billups was hurt, Amare got hurt, (and still hasn’t recover fully), Douglas was hurt, we had no shooting guard, no center, no bench and our second healthiest player was Jared Jeffrey.

As far as the previous two years what exactly was your expectation with the team we had? They won around 30 games one season and most of our younger players were developing nicely. To me that was success for a new under talented team.

I'd have to go back and reread my original critique of what D'Antoni did or didn't do in the playoffs. It was last year and the playoffs aren't fresh enough to give you a detailed response. I do know that there were many of us on this board who weren't happy with the job he did as it was happening. Like I said, not so much the outcome but how we got there.

As for the first two seasons, my expectations were that he would do a better job with what he had. Poor substitution patterns, frequently waiting until the game was almost out of reach to call TO's, poor clock management in crunch time, not getting his players to play hard on a consistent basis, jacking up threes when no one can hit the broad side of a barn.

These are all things that MDA is responsible for. I don't believe anyone thought this team was contending in the first 2 years but I myself expected better coaching and the lack of good coaching I believe is reflected in the record.

“You are what your record says you are.”

- Bill Parcells, Former NFL Coach and Superbowl Winner. First 2 years, no talent, so let's get a Star in their prime in Amare. Need support, need another star to contend with Miami, we get Melo. Need defense, we get Chandler, draft Shumpert and Jorts, and resign Jeffries. Need point guard play, sign Baron Davis and find out we had one all along with Lin. Need bench depth, sign Novak then later JR. There's no more excuses! Results or GTFO here.

I totally agree there are no excuses this year for the coach regardless of the situation that is why I said above that you could replace the coach if that is what is needed, however, I CAN NOT DISREGARDS that THE QUITTER’s behavior, poor body language and lack of leadership is having the biggest negative effect on the team's poor play.

Mike D’Antoni doesn’t believe he is losing the locker room.

“No, nope,” D’Antoni told reporters on Wednesday.

According to sources, several players were complaining about D’Antoni following Sunday’s loss to Philadelphia which isn’t unusual for struggling teams during a losing streak.

When asked if he is convinced that he has the full support of his players, D’Antoni said: “I am. But you have to ask them that. I’m confident. I think they’re great and have been great and we’ll battle through this.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2012/03/mike-dantoni-i-havent-lost-the-locker-room

DJMUSIC wrote:the post author
reporting the story I'd say sincerely well written !

Regardless of whom or how we feel or which favorites we want here or not here,
2 of the 3 if not all three gotta go

You all know whom we mean, out of Melo and D'Antoni and Stoudemire 2 of 3 must be dealt
during the summer or before next season.

Dealing Carmelo Anthony (lets pretend its done in summer 2012) regardless of
whom hates Carmelo Anthony (fair, I respect it we all have our own opinions)

And going into next season 2012/2013 with Mike D'Antoni as coach and bringing back Amare Stoudemire
and one full new season with PG Jeremy Lin starting isn't going to solve known issues of team nor
will it be way to build a winner around what we've seen.

Last season (nba playoffs 2010/2011 NBA playoffs)Carmello Anthony kinda saved Mike D'Antoni's job in 2011
This season sensation PG Jeremy Lin saves Mike D'Antoni job.

Melo been bad but Mike D'Antoni did nothing to improve Knickerbocker basketball. Jeremy Lin did in knicks success months ago.


*write it in stone, regardless when Anthony is gone
the coaching is other issue on Knickerbocker success OR lack of it. We will not improve nor build to elite with
Mike D'Antoni as coach of NewYork Basketball. We been losing to bad teams like the BUCKs, KINGs, or 1/2 dozen of
worst nba teams for quite some time now 2-3 yrs & is primary reason in this team is in predicament to not make nba
playoffs under Mike D'Antoni. We been losing games we should have won with D'Antoni system before the Gallo-Melo big
trade.

This is all Fact. Go research all that.

DJ, did you vote in the poll? We need to get out the vote. We are losing badly ... unless its fixed and disenfranchising our voters