Knixkik wrote:crzymdups wrote:Knixkik wrote:crzymdups wrote:i think trading melo is the way to go.only problem is that dolan will never allow it. melo was his move, he's gonna go down swinging with him... or just keep raising ticket prices and losing, either way.
If we trade Melo, we won't get back equal value. Trading Melo means we are left with a team built around a declining star in Stoudemire, and a team that's fun to watch, and will go on a winning streak, but it's better than a first round playoff team at the end of the day. Rather than build this team into a perenntial first round exit, why don't we try to build around Melo properly, know the success that has happened in the past.
Melo is a perennial first round exit. Check his career. One time past the first round. One. And that had as much or more to do with Billups, who was that team's MVP.
I build this team around Lin and Tyson and Shumpert - value defense. I'd trade Melo for Iguodala or Luol Deng or Josh Smith in a heartbeat.
It's not about "equal value" or "talent" - it's about building a team that makes sense together and is all on the same page.
Melo is always gonna be on his page. "Equal value" - is Danilo Gallinari alone equal value, because I'd undo the trade just to get Gallo back, but Denver never would. So what's equal value there?
Building the team around very good role players (Lin may be the only one with more than role player upside) means you think a team like the Nuggets or Sixers can win a championship. When have you ever heard of a team without any stars winning anything? Don't say Detriot, because they had 4 all-stars on that roster. Building around those 3 players keeps you as a .500 team. They are all great complimentary players, but who are they going to compliment. I belive these players can all compliment Melo, but at some point you have to go with what history says makes sense. If you don't like Melo as a defender, fine, then put defenders around him. But almost every team to win in the playoffs needs a big time scorer. Think about Dallas from last season. They looked dead in the water, and the championship window had closed. All they needed was a supporting cast that fit. Melo can become Dirk if we do this right. I think you look at that building model, and go from there.
I guess it all depends on whether you think Melo is the kind of talent you can build a champion around. I feel that Melo is not good enough to be the best player on a championship team.
And no one considered the Detroit players all-stars until AFTER they won it all.
And you know what the Detroit team did? They defended. Every night. Something the Knicks did when Lin was playing. Something Melo has never done once. I've never though after a game Melo played in here - wow, melo really stepped it up on defense tonight. he really made the opposing team work for the whole game. Never.
So, while you may be right and no one wins a ring without superstars... I question whether Melo is a superstar or a highly decorated Glenn Robinson. Marbury put up numbers, too. But like Melo, he had a hard time winning in the playoffs. Melo is shooting 41% - something Crawford was crucified for here and Crawford played with a lot less talent.
Check the Knicks record over the past two months if you take out Linsanity's 8-1. They're 5-16. Melo's a superstar? Gimmeabreak.