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3/8/2012  3:54 PM
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holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!

Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.

Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th

it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.

One more thing Mart, Your coach has demonstrated he has not bought in on this defensive philosophy...No one is held accountable, Novak was a major liability against Boston and u saw it even tho others didn't recognize it, Chandler remained on the bench..Boston got valuable second chance points...All this matters in a victory...It's not one guy!!!!!


You are isolating once instance in one game and extrapolating across a big generalization. Novak was a +14 in the Boston game and was doing well within his scope of things.

Meanwhile, Tyson is a MAJOR cog in our rotation and plays even MORE minutes than he did last year, so by your logic that would indicate to me that MDA values defensive centers more than their coach, right?

Your arguments are all over the place. You compare Novak to Melo and then Novak to Tyson. Novak is not a major cog for the Knicks, he is situational and if he's on a roll, you go with him.

Hang on here...Let's look at the Boston game...Novak played major minutes in the 4th while Chandler was on the bench...Chandler came back at the 2:00 mark of the 4th...We lost that game in overtime...Novak played 27 minutes and most of the 4th in Chandler's place...How is that not a major cog????..This has nothing to do with money...

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3/8/2012  3:58 PM
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!

Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.

Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th

it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.

One more thing Mart, Your coach has demonstrated he has not bought in on this defensive philosophy...No one is held accountable, Novak was a major liability against Boston and u saw it even tho others didn't recognize it, Chandler remained on the bench..Boston got valuable second chance points...All this matters in a victory...It's not one guy!!!!!


You are isolating once instance in one game and extrapolating across a big generalization. Novak was a +14 in the Boston game and was doing well within his scope of things.

Meanwhile, Tyson is a MAJOR cog in our rotation and plays even MORE minutes than he did last year, so by your logic that would indicate to me that MDA values defensive centers more than their coach, right?

Your arguments are all over the place. You compare Novak to Melo and then Novak to Tyson. Novak is not a major cog for the Knicks, he is situational and if he's on a roll, you go with him.

Hang on here...Let's look at the Boston game...Novak played major minutes in the 4th while Chandler was on the bench...Chandler came back at the 2:00 mark of the 4th...We lost that game in overtime...Novak played 27 minutes and most of the 4th in Chandler's place...How is that not a major cog????..This has nothing to do with money...

Tyson has been hurt.

I am not talking about 1 game, I am talking about Tyson being a major player for the Knicks team.

Again you keep focusing on one game, I am talking big picture. If you wanna nitpick about Tyson's minutes in one game, have at it, but that's not my point.

Generally speaking, Knicks were up by 3 IN Boston after coming back in the last minutes. So I would generally say things worked out well for the Knicks until last shot.

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3/8/2012  4:03 PM
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
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holfresh wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!

Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.

Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th

it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.

One more thing Mart, Your coach has demonstrated he has not bought in on this defensive philosophy...No one is held accountable, Novak was a major liability against Boston and u saw it even tho others didn't recognize it, Chandler remained on the bench..Boston got valuable second chance points...All this matters in a victory...It's not one guy!!!!!


You are isolating once instance in one game and extrapolating across a big generalization. Novak was a +14 in the Boston game and was doing well within his scope of things.

Meanwhile, Tyson is a MAJOR cog in our rotation and plays even MORE minutes than he did last year, so by your logic that would indicate to me that MDA values defensive centers more than their coach, right?

Your arguments are all over the place. You compare Novak to Melo and then Novak to Tyson. Novak is not a major cog for the Knicks, he is situational and if he's on a roll, you go with him.

Hang on here...Let's look at the Boston game...Novak played major minutes in the 4th while Chandler was on the bench...Chandler came back at the 2:00 mark of the 4th...We lost that game in overtime...Novak played 27 minutes and most of the 4th in Chandler's place...How is that not a major cog????..This has nothing to do with money...

Tyson has been hurt.

I am not talking about 1 game, I am talking about Tyson being a major player for the Knicks team.

Again you keep focusing on one game, I am talking big picture. If you wanna nitpick about Tyson's minutes in one game, have at it, but that's not my point.

Generally speaking, Knicks were up by 3 IN Boston after coming back in the last minutes. So I would generally say things worked out well for the Knicks until last shot.

Not to jump into your back-n-forth with Hol, but if we are talking big-picture accountability, should that also include Stat, Melo and Lin? When do we ever see MDA yank Amare for the numerous blown defensive assignments in multiple games?

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3/8/2012  4:04 PM
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holfresh wrote:
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nixluva wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!

Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.

Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th

it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.

Because he is playing a valuable slot in the 4th quarters now..He is talking Chandler's time..Coach has made and offensive versus defensive decision...U are the only guy who posted about how many points Novak cost us that game, the only guy..It has consequences..

Novak does try on D. He had one bad stretch against DIRK FREAKIN NBA CHAMP Nowitzki. Novak has won us more games than he's lost. Lin has won us more games than he's lost!!!

I never said that Novak and Lin shouldn't be accountable for their defensive lapses, everyone should, however, I believe those players have played way above the expectations we had for them when we acquired them.

On the contrary, much more was expected from Melo and Amare especially on the offensive end since that’s what they do best, and they have under perform this entire season.

Melo is a convenient scapegoat...He is the easy target...Rondo put up historic numbers against us and we ask why Melo couldn't counter that, DWill torched us, Tony Parker took who ever guarded him...MDA out coached yet again by Doc at the end of games...This isn't a coincidence anymore, it's the rule...I give examples...

Your pissing in the wind Bro. All of your points are valid, but it doesn't make a difference because most on this board had their minds made up about Melo as soon as the boards favorite son, Gallo was traded for him.

May be some had their minds made up about Carmelo, but not me, I watch every Knicks game win or lose and come up with my own opinion even if it’s not popular among my peers and I just don’t follow the Knicks, I follow the NBA as a whole (I am a basketball freak). So while I support Carmelo because he is a Knick and our MOST TALENTED PLAYER, I can’t call him a TRUE SUPERSTAR because in reality he is not, even if he is all over the newspapers. I hope he gets there though for the good of my team.

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3/8/2012  4:05 PM
holfresh wrote:Knicks probably has the best front line in the league...They can shoot 80% from the ft line, yet the game plan is to shoot threes...Yes, it Melo's fault...

How many times can Doc Rivers embarrass our coach on the sidelines...Even down three with no time outs with 12 seconds left...Doc figures it out, our coach is still lost..Yes, it's Melo's fault....
Melomisnt the only one at fault but you cant defend him all the time and let him off the hook. I understand he is your favorite so its hard to bloame him for anything but he isnt the onyl one but when you're suppose to be the main stra and the team doesnt produce you do get a lot of the heat
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3/8/2012  4:13 PM
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!

Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.

Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th

it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.

One more thing Mart, Your coach has demonstrated he has not bought in on this defensive philosophy...No one is held accountable, Novak was a major liability against Boston and u saw it even tho others didn't recognize it, Chandler remained on the bench..Boston got valuable second chance points...All this matters in a victory...It's not one guy!!!!!


You are isolating once instance in one game and extrapolating across a big generalization. Novak was a +14 in the Boston game and was doing well within his scope of things.

Meanwhile, Tyson is a MAJOR cog in our rotation and plays even MORE minutes than he did last year, so by your logic that would indicate to me that MDA values defensive centers more than their coach, right?

Your arguments are all over the place. You compare Novak to Melo and then Novak to Tyson. Novak is not a major cog for the Knicks, he is situational and if he's on a roll, you go with him.

Hang on here...Let's look at the Boston game...Novak played major minutes in the 4th while Chandler was on the bench...Chandler came back at the 2:00 mark of the 4th...We lost that game in overtime...Novak played 27 minutes and most of the 4th in Chandler's place...How is that not a major cog????..This has nothing to do with money...

Tyson has been hurt.

I am not talking about 1 game, I am talking about Tyson being a major player for the Knicks team.

Again you keep focusing on one game, I am talking big picture. If you wanna nitpick about Tyson's minutes in one game, have at it, but that's not my point.

Generally speaking, Knicks were up by 3 IN Boston after coming back in the last minutes. So I would generally say things worked out well for the Knicks until last shot.

I'm not sure he has been hurt all this time...But I focus on these game because I want to give examples...I'm not going to blindly point fingers...Novak played the almost the entire 4th again in Dallas...Chandler came back at the 2 minute mark...Melo came in at the 3:57 left...Melo had a horrible game, it's on him...
But I'm talking big picture as well...If Novak is playing the fourth for Chandler and he isn't hurt which we both aren't sure about in Boston and Dallas, this is the big picture...it has huge repercussions on defense and rebounding...

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3/8/2012  4:19 PM
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!

Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.

Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th

it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.

One more thing Mart, Your coach has demonstrated he has not bought in on this defensive philosophy...No one is held accountable, Novak was a major liability against Boston and u saw it even tho others didn't recognize it, Chandler remained on the bench..Boston got valuable second chance points...All this matters in a victory...It's not one guy!!!!!


You are isolating once instance in one game and extrapolating across a big generalization. Novak was a +14 in the Boston game and was doing well within his scope of things.

Meanwhile, Tyson is a MAJOR cog in our rotation and plays even MORE minutes than he did last year, so by your logic that would indicate to me that MDA values defensive centers more than their coach, right?

Your arguments are all over the place. You compare Novak to Melo and then Novak to Tyson. Novak is not a major cog for the Knicks, he is situational and if he's on a roll, you go with him.

Hang on here...Let's look at the Boston game...Novak played major minutes in the 4th while Chandler was on the bench...Chandler came back at the 2:00 mark of the 4th...We lost that game in overtime...Novak played 27 minutes and most of the 4th in Chandler's place...How is that not a major cog????..This has nothing to do with money...

Tyson has been hurt.

I am not talking about 1 game, I am talking about Tyson being a major player for the Knicks team.

Again you keep focusing on one game, I am talking big picture. If you wanna nitpick about Tyson's minutes in one game, have at it, but that's not my point.

Generally speaking, Knicks were up by 3 IN Boston after coming back in the last minutes. So I would generally say things worked out well for the Knicks until last shot.

I'm not sure he has been hurt all this time...But I focus on these game because I want to give examples...I'm not going to blindly point fingers...Novak played the almost the entire 4th again in Dallas...Chandler came back at the 2 minute mark...Melo came in at the 3:57 left...Melo had a horrible game, it's on him...
But I'm talking big picture as well...If Novak is playing the fourth for Chandler and he isn't hurt which we both aren't sure about in Boston and Dallas, this is the big picture...it has huge repercussions on defense and rebounding...

you are not sure Tyson has been hurting? With that big black thing on his wrist ? and about 10 million articles written about MRI's and such? He hurt himself in the game we won against Dallas.

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3/8/2012  4:40 PM
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
martin wrote:
holfresh wrote:
KnicksFE wrote:
holfresh wrote:I bet no one noticed the lay up line going by Novak in the 4th qt of the Celtic game...Yes, it's Melo's fault!!!!

Novak is here to space the floor for the stars, not to carry the team offensively so BIG YES, it's Melo and Amare's fault for not performing up to their level and contract.

Right so Novak and Lin don't need to play defense and be held accountable...Novak has been taking up Chandler's time in the 4th

it's a team sport and everyone should be held accountable. But why are you comparing Novak to Melo? minutes and money and expectation are wildly different for those 2 dudes.

One more thing Mart, Your coach has demonstrated he has not bought in on this defensive philosophy...No one is held accountable, Novak was a major liability against Boston and u saw it even tho others didn't recognize it, Chandler remained on the bench..Boston got valuable second chance points...All this matters in a victory...It's not one guy!!!!!


You are isolating once instance in one game and extrapolating across a big generalization. Novak was a +14 in the Boston game and was doing well within his scope of things.

Meanwhile, Tyson is a MAJOR cog in our rotation and plays even MORE minutes than he did last year, so by your logic that would indicate to me that MDA values defensive centers more than their coach, right?

Your arguments are all over the place. You compare Novak to Melo and then Novak to Tyson. Novak is not a major cog for the Knicks, he is situational and if he's on a roll, you go with him.

Hang on here...Let's look at the Boston game...Novak played major minutes in the 4th while Chandler was on the bench...Chandler came back at the 2:00 mark of the 4th...We lost that game in overtime...Novak played 27 minutes and most of the 4th in Chandler's place...How is that not a major cog????..This has nothing to do with money...

Tyson has been hurt.

I am not talking about 1 game, I am talking about Tyson being a major player for the Knicks team.

Again you keep focusing on one game, I am talking big picture. If you wanna nitpick about Tyson's minutes in one game, have at it, but that's not my point.

Generally speaking, Knicks were up by 3 IN Boston after coming back in the last minutes. So I would generally say things worked out well for the Knicks until last shot.

I'm not sure he has been hurt all this time...But I focus on these game because I want to give examples...I'm not going to blindly point fingers...Novak played the almost the entire 4th again in Dallas...Chandler came back at the 2 minute mark...Melo came in at the 3:57 left...Melo had a horrible game, it's on him...
But I'm talking big picture as well...If Novak is playing the fourth for Chandler and he isn't hurt which we both aren't sure about in Boston and Dallas, this is the big picture...it has huge repercussions on defense and rebounding...

you are not sure Tyson has been hurting? With that big black thing on his wrist ? and about 10 million articles written about MRI's and such? He hurt himself in the game we won against Dallas.

That has noting to do with him playing in the 4th...He can still rebound and block shots which he has after that injury..He had 13 pts 15 boards and 4 blks against Cleve after that injury...All of a sudden he can't play the 4th???...His latest injury is a hamstring injury which is what I thought u were refering to...U can't seriously mean the wrist injury had him on the bench after his production post his wrist injury...

Also remember all this lineup shakeup comes after MDA made the announcement that the bench will be playing more minutes...This has nothing to do with his wrist...

My point in all this is Melo and Amare alone should not be the only guys held accountable for the defensive effort...U know what u get when u make certain substitutions...So If Melo hasn't bought into the defensive concept, can u convince me that the coach has bought in based on his substitution pattern???

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3/8/2012  5:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/8/2012  5:47 PM
*Looks at schedule*


Glad this is the last time we play anything close Celtics, Mavs and Spurs on the road.

All the Vaginal bleeding about Dolan, Nuggets and Melo is real killing my eyes.

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3/8/2012  6:27 PM
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Glad this is the last time we play anything close Celtics, Mavs and Spurs on the road.

All the Vaginal bleeding about Dolan, Nuggets and Melo is real killing my eyes.

Yeah the Bulls at Chicago should be a cake walk. When is the last time we beat the Bucks? LOL!

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3/8/2012  7:18 PM
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Nalod wrote:Im coming to the conclusion that MDA does not have to go.

He should leave.

There have been a few precious times in his 4 years whether by design or injury where you see it all come together. His body of work in PHX and at times here demonstrates it can be done.

In fact, NY loves this kind of play.

If there is a brand of "Knicks Basketball" its not the Ewing era of slow ball waiting for him to get into position, or smash mouth low score Riley ball. Knicks ball is the prime Red Holzman Era.

"Hit the open man!"

And if you did not play Defense, you got taken out.

Players who sacrificed their individual stats to accomplish. They are remembered not for the stats or all star games, but winning and doing it with style as a team!

The Suns were one of my favorite teams to watch and the open style of play reminded me of the Holzman era but with less defense. For a few years the Sunswere annual contenders. I'll take that over dysfunction any time. They moved the ball and Nash was a Maestro!

I think we were on the right track with Amare and role players but its clear Melo is not the type of player that can play within such a system.

The big picture was not about Gallo, or Felton as championship pieces, but the allocation of assets used in that trade to bring in the wrong type of player.

Donnie had a vision. Maybe it was not preMelo Drama but it was a work in progress and as we have seen big name players did shake loose. CP3, Deron and Dwight. Im not saying they become knicks or expound on the Amnesty benefits of exiling Chauns for Tyson.....but look at the team as currently constructed. Its laden with ill fitting talent. Amare-Melo-TC all great players. Together not so.

Does it remind us of perhaps who is really running things? A man who collects talent without thought of how it fits?

Isiah.

He constructed teams with so much wrong talent that HOF coachs like Wilkens and Larry Brown looked bad. Isiah himself a good coach looked bad. Dolan got brazen and the rumors were there that Isiah was in his ear urging him to do this.

Melo is a bad fit. A headache for all who coach him. Nice kid and I think he means well. He wanted the spot light and the money and who can blame him.

One of the greatest stories in a long time for NY was Linsanity. The team went on a run even with Amare. Amare can play with Nash, he can play with Lin. Melo comes back and "Murders Linsanity" (someone in the UK said this)!

As for MDA? Coach K's right hand olympic coach and the one he calls an offensive genius. Team plays good defense so we can't blame that effort. In my mind its not MDA that is the problem.

MDA has the wrong Management behind him and won't succeed until they are in concert with his efforts. He can take the Novaks, Shawn Williams, Landry, Mozz and win with them. He can't use the skill set of Melo and blend it in.

I think we have another fine coach who comes to realize what a joke Dolan is and like others was seduced by the big money and the lure of winning in NY! The one that can do that will be a wealthy legend.

The biggest Ego around is Phil Jax. If Dolan Hires him he better be prepared to get out of the way. I would think Phil Jax is smart enough and has enough juice to put it all up front in writing.

Can Phil be larger than all of them and put it together? I don't know. I don't pretend that MDA is the problem either and his simple removal is the key. Is the Isiah plant, "Coach Woodson" the answer? I don't know, but I do know that what I am seeing on the court right now is not fun to watch.

I am all for this coming together and perhaps in time it can even with MDA. Give him the juice to bench Melo.

If MDA can't get that kind of power then its clear, he should leave cuz it won't work with Melo being a ball dominant player.

You mention Jackson he is going to make Melo ball dominant and win with him being ball dominant.

Yes, Phil has, what, 11 rings on the backs of ball dominant players....

You are comparing Melo to MJ and Kobe by saying this, which is absolutely outrageous.

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3/8/2012  7:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/8/2012  7:47 PM
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holfresh wrote:Knicks probably has the best front line in the league...They can shoot 80% from the ft line, yet the game plan is to shoot threes...Yes, it Melo's fault...

How many times can Doc Rivers embarrass our coach on the sidelines...Even down three with no time outs with 12 seconds left...Doc figures it out, our coach is still lost..Yes, it's Melo's fault....
Melomisnt the only one at fault but you cant defend him all the time and let him off the hook. I understand he is your favorite so its hard to bloame him for anything but he isnt the onyl one but when you're suppose to be the main stra and the team doesnt produce you do get a lot of the heat

U keep saying Melo is my favorite player...He is not..He is a scapegoat and an easy target..Along with Amare I will defend them when applicable ...they do suck defensively..But there are guys who you root for that are measurably worse yet you say nothing...

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3/8/2012  7:35 PM
Allanfan20 wrote:You are comparing Melo to MJ and Kobe by saying this, which is absolutely outrageous.

to be fair, kobe has been asked who will carry his mantle when he retires and several times he has said melo.

don't forget, there was a time around 2004-2005-2006-2007 when kobe was considered one of the most selfish and least team-oriented players in the league.

i'm not ready to give up on melo, though he is giving off seriously bad vibes. then again, kobe gives off bad vibes all the time.

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3/8/2012  8:02 PM
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Uptown wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Nalod wrote:Im coming to the conclusion that MDA does not have to go.

He should leave.

There have been a few precious times in his 4 years whether by design or injury where you see it all come together. His body of work in PHX and at times here demonstrates it can be done.

In fact, NY loves this kind of play.

If there is a brand of "Knicks Basketball" its not the Ewing era of slow ball waiting for him to get into position, or smash mouth low score Riley ball. Knicks ball is the prime Red Holzman Era.

"Hit the open man!"

And if you did not play Defense, you got taken out.

Players who sacrificed their individual stats to accomplish. They are remembered not for the stats or all star games, but winning and doing it with style as a team!

The Suns were one of my favorite teams to watch and the open style of play reminded me of the Holzman era but with less defense. For a few years the Sunswere annual contenders. I'll take that over dysfunction any time. They moved the ball and Nash was a Maestro!

I think we were on the right track with Amare and role players but its clear Melo is not the type of player that can play within such a system.

The big picture was not about Gallo, or Felton as championship pieces, but the allocation of assets used in that trade to bring in the wrong type of player.

Donnie had a vision. Maybe it was not preMelo Drama but it was a work in progress and as we have seen big name players did shake loose. CP3, Deron and Dwight. Im not saying they become knicks or expound on the Amnesty benefits of exiling Chauns for Tyson.....but look at the team as currently constructed. Its laden with ill fitting talent. Amare-Melo-TC all great players. Together not so.

Does it remind us of perhaps who is really running things? A man who collects talent without thought of how it fits?

Isiah.

He constructed teams with so much wrong talent that HOF coachs like Wilkens and Larry Brown looked bad. Isiah himself a good coach looked bad. Dolan got brazen and the rumors were there that Isiah was in his ear urging him to do this.

Melo is a bad fit. A headache for all who coach him. Nice kid and I think he means well. He wanted the spot light and the money and who can blame him.

One of the greatest stories in a long time for NY was Linsanity. The team went on a run even with Amare. Amare can play with Nash, he can play with Lin. Melo comes back and "Murders Linsanity" (someone in the UK said this)!

As for MDA? Coach K's right hand olympic coach and the one he calls an offensive genius. Team plays good defense so we can't blame that effort. In my mind its not MDA that is the problem.

MDA has the wrong Management behind him and won't succeed until they are in concert with his efforts. He can take the Novaks, Shawn Williams, Landry, Mozz and win with them. He can't use the skill set of Melo and blend it in.

I think we have another fine coach who comes to realize what a joke Dolan is and like others was seduced by the big money and the lure of winning in NY! The one that can do that will be a wealthy legend.

The biggest Ego around is Phil Jax. If Dolan Hires him he better be prepared to get out of the way. I would think Phil Jax is smart enough and has enough juice to put it all up front in writing.

Can Phil be larger than all of them and put it together? I don't know. I don't pretend that MDA is the problem either and his simple removal is the key. Is the Isiah plant, "Coach Woodson" the answer? I don't know, but I do know that what I am seeing on the court right now is not fun to watch.

I am all for this coming together and perhaps in time it can even with MDA. Give him the juice to bench Melo.

If MDA can't get that kind of power then its clear, he should leave cuz it won't work with Melo being a ball dominant player.

You mention Jackson he is going to make Melo ball dominant and win with him being ball dominant.

Yes, Phil has, what, 11 rings on the backs of ball dominant players....

You are comparing Melo to MJ and Kobe by saying this, which is absolutely outrageous.

Nalod said MDa should leave because we cant win with a ball dominat player. I threw those names up in connection with the Phil Jackson theme he was discussing. Obviously, Melo isn't on Kobe or MJ's level, but like MJ and Kobe, Melo, as Nalod suggests, is a ball dominant player. Heres a list of a few so-called ball dominant players. Tell me if coaches can win with these players:

Kevin Durant (Best team out west)
Russell Westbrook (See Durant)
Derrick Rose (Best team in east)
Lebron (Finals appearance twice)
Rudy Gay (third best team out west)
Danny Granger (3-4 best record in east)
Paul Pierce (already won)
Dirk (already won)
Wade (already won)
Zach Randolph (playing much better since he left the big apple)

Just a few.....

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3/8/2012  8:05 PM
My dislike of Melo has soured me BIGTIME on this team
for the last few months.
I enjoyed this team much more when Melo and Stat were out.
Now that our "superstars" are back, we are reverting to our losing form.
And, I called for Clueless Dantoni's head weeks ago. He's NOT the coach for New York.

The only reason I still come here is for Gamepicker.
It's the only fun that I have with this Jeckyl and Hyde team.

Like I've been saying for several months, we are a 7th or 8th seed
and more than likely a team that will exit in the first round.
Blah, blah, blah...I've heard all of the excuses.
There is no magic pill...the writings on the wall.

Which brings me to this point.....if management was shrewd.....sadly Glen's hands are tied because of Dolan's greed $$$$$$$ and refusal to publicly admit the mistake on Melo....which is TOTALLY fukked up....., we'd be SELLERS at the trade deadline to amass rotational guys, youth and picks....and set ourselves up nicely for 2013 and beyond. I'd love to see that happen.....it's the logical way to vastly improve this mediocre team and make it a consistent winner.

But, until hell freezes over, I'll just enjoy the Gamepicker.

"Talent wins games, but teamwork and intelligence wins championships." -Michael Jordan
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3/8/2012  8:18 PM
holfresh wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Melo kills this team. I dont care if he scores 30 a night---no D kills the flow of the game and is a prima dona we have another Marbury situation--hes not psycho like marbury but this will hurt us

Certainly Melo doesn't fit what this coach wants to do, but neither does the Chandler/Amare combination...During the important stretch in the 4th quarter of the Boston game, Chandler was on the bench a good 7 and half mins...Celtics was taking turns blowing by Novak on three consecutive plays to the rim with Chandler was still on the bench...I knew then MDA doesn't have much use for Amare/Chandler at the same time...The following game against the Mavs...Chandler played 26 mins again missing important parts of the 4th quarter that Novak played...He is our best defender...My ultimate point is, this roster wasn't constructed with MDA in mind...He will not change his style to suit the roster...He needs a strong PG who dominates the ball, with a strong pick and roll option, three guys equally ready to shoot the three...Melo and Amare should be shooting 10 free throws per game, this offense doesn't allow that...Melo isn't a spot up shooter...

And about Melo's D, Have you seen Lin, Amare and Novak...They aren't getting killed more so than Melo on the defensively end????

Chandler was hurt, and trying to play through it.

TKF on Melo ::....he is a punk, a jerk, a self absorbed out of shape, self aggrandizing, unprofessional, volume chucking coach killing playoff loser!!
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3/8/2012  9:08 PM
To be fair I think it's gonna take more time for all of them to work this out and find some kind of balance. I actually believe that this team is gonna figure it out. They have way too much talent and upside not to eventually figure out what to do. The 1st thing will be to get the Defense back. They've lost the chemistry on D and they must get that back. We need to get Tyson and Jared healthy. With 28 games to go there is ample time to get it going and be peaking by the playoffs. 2 full months is more than enough time.
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3/8/2012  9:14 PM
nixluva wrote:To be fair I think it's gonna take more time for all of them to work this out and find some kind of balance. I actually believe that this team is gonna figure it out. They have way too much talent and upside not to eventually figure out what to do. The 1st thing will be to get the Defense back. They've lost the chemistry on D and they must get that back. We need to get Tyson and Jared healthy. With 28 games to go there is ample time to get it going and be peaking by the playoffs. 2 full months is more than enough time.

don't you find it the least bit concerning that the team has shown no improvement since the post all-star break "mini-camp" they supposedly ran?

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3/8/2012  9:22 PM
eViL wrote:
nixluva wrote:To be fair I think it's gonna take more time for all of them to work this out and find some kind of balance. I actually believe that this team is gonna figure it out. They have way too much talent and upside not to eventually figure out what to do. The 1st thing will be to get the Defense back. They've lost the chemistry on D and they must get that back. We need to get Tyson and Jared healthy. With 28 games to go there is ample time to get it going and be peaking by the playoffs. 2 full months is more than enough time.

don't you find it the least bit concerning that the team has shown no improvement since the post all-star break "mini-camp" they supposedly ran?

Carton pointed this out this morning. It also is concerning that the team always comes out of training camp and struggles for about 15 games.
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3/8/2012  9:24 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
eViL wrote:
nixluva wrote:To be fair I think it's gonna take more time for all of them to work this out and find some kind of balance. I actually believe that this team is gonna figure it out. They have way too much talent and upside not to eventually figure out what to do. The 1st thing will be to get the Defense back. They've lost the chemistry on D and they must get that back. We need to get Tyson and Jared healthy. With 28 games to go there is ample time to get it going and be peaking by the playoffs. 2 full months is more than enough time.

don't you find it the least bit concerning that the team has shown no improvement since the post all-star break "mini-camp" they supposedly ran?

Carton pointed this out this morning. It also is concerning that the team always comes out of training camp and struggles for about 15 games.

i'm sure we disagree on this, but i don't think it's on the coach. some players can't be reached. you almost have to coach around them.

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