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If I didn't know any better I would believe that Melo is sabotaging this team and trying to get Mike D fired.
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MSG3
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3/16/2012  10:08 AM
http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&career=1&player_ids%5B%5D=215&player_ids%5B%5D=261

There's a comparison between Melo and Vince Carter over the span of their careers. Very similar numbers. THey vary in certain areas due to their positions, ie more assists for the guard and more rebounds for the forward. Melo has bhetter shooting percentages but not by a lot. All in all very similar numbers.

What does this prove? Absolutely nothing. Vince never achieved much in his NBA career. Melo has yet to take his team to the heights we all want and expect. But to say Vince was far superior (Bonn) is a testament to how much you dislike Melo. And there's nothing wrong with disliking him to this point. So far it's hard to argue your longstanding judgement that he's no good for the Knicks.

I just think there's enough to show that when you put him on this roster it could be special. But he has to become a smarter ball player. I think he can and has shown a lot of flashes.

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3/16/2012  10:53 AM
MSG3 wrote:http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&career=1&player_ids%5B%5D=215&player_ids%5B%5D=261

There's a comparison between Melo and Vince Carter over the span of their careers. Very similar numbers. THey vary in certain areas due to their positions, ie more assists for the guard and more rebounds for the forward. Melo has bhetter shooting percentages but not by a lot. All in all very similar numbers.

What does this prove? Absolutely nothing. Vince never achieved much in his NBA career. Melo has yet to take his team to the heights we all want and expect. But to say Vince was far superior (Bonn) is a testament to how much you dislike Melo. And there's nothing wrong with disliking him to this point. So far it's hard to argue your longstanding judgement that he's no good for the Knicks.

I just think there's enough to show that when you put him on this roster it could be special. But he has to become a smarter ball player. I think he can and has shown a lot of flashes.


I cited statistics to justify my comments. I didn't just state subjective opinions. Give some info. (not a link with a thousand #s on it) if you want to question my conclusions.
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3/16/2012  11:01 AM

Melo on the wing, end of game will do very well given his skill to square up faceing the basket and shot it.

That alone does not make him a better basketball player.

Melo-Vince-Grant Hill-McGrady-BIg dogg, Glenn Rice-Clyde Drex-Dominique wilkens are all star big scoreing players who fans enjoy watching play.

THey are not in the upper echelon of Jordan-BIrd-Kobe-Magic-oscar-west type player.

Players that defined their era with MVP seasons and Championships. Clyde Drex got one latching with Houstan at the end of his career.

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3/16/2012  11:02 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&career=1&player_ids%5B%5D=215&player_ids%5B%5D=261

There's a comparison between Melo and Vince Carter over the span of their careers. Very similar numbers. THey vary in certain areas due to their positions, ie more assists for the guard and more rebounds for the forward. Melo has bhetter shooting percentages but not by a lot. All in all very similar numbers.

What does this prove? Absolutely nothing. Vince never achieved much in his NBA career. Melo has yet to take his team to the heights we all want and expect. But to say Vince was far superior (Bonn) is a testament to how much you dislike Melo. And there's nothing wrong with disliking him to this point. So far it's hard to argue your longstanding judgement that he's no good for the Knicks.

I just think there's enough to show that when you put him on this roster it could be special. But he has to become a smarter ball player. I think he can and has shown a lot of flashes.


I cited statistics to justify my comments. I didn't just state subjective opinions. Give some info. (not a link with a thousand #s on it) if you want to question my conclusions.

Where did you cite even a single statistic? You mentioned "PER" and Win Shares during "prime years". What are prime ytears? Why can't you look at their complete body of work? And the link I posted compares both of the players to every statistics including the ones you mentioned, which are almost identical for both players.

If you're going to claim you cited numbers when you actaully didn't don't come down on me when I shared a link that showed incredibly thorough statistics to prove the point that STATISTICALLY there is barely a disparity between Melo and VC.

Don't be a baby....

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3/16/2012  11:03 AM
Nalod wrote:
Melo on the wing, end of game will do very well given his skill to square up faceing the basket and shot it.

That alone does not make him a better basketball player.

Melo-Vince-Grant Hill-McGrady-BIg dogg, Glenn Rice-Clyde Drex-Dominique wilkens are all star big scoreing players who fans enjoy watching play.

THey are not in the upper echelon of Jordan-BIrd-Kobe-Magic-oscar-west type player.

Players that defined their era with MVP seasons and Championships. Clyde Drex got one latching with Houstan at the end of his career.

I agree with this 100%. But to say that Melo is worse than any of those guys just because of reputation is nonsense. Not saying that you said that but there are others that have.

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3/16/2012  11:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2012  11:17 AM
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&career=1&player_ids%5B%5D=215&player_ids%5B%5D=261

There's a comparison between Melo and Vince Carter over the span of their careers. Very similar numbers. THey vary in certain areas due to their positions, ie more assists for the guard and more rebounds for the forward. Melo has bhetter shooting percentages but not by a lot. All in all very similar numbers.

What does this prove? Absolutely nothing. Vince never achieved much in his NBA career. Melo has yet to take his team to the heights we all want and expect. But to say Vince was far superior (Bonn) is a testament to how much you dislike Melo. And there's nothing wrong with disliking him to this point. So far it's hard to argue your longstanding judgement that he's no good for the Knicks.

I just think there's enough to show that when you put him on this roster it could be special. But he has to become a smarter ball player. I think he can and has shown a lot of flashes.


I cited statistics to justify my comments. I didn't just state subjective opinions. Give some info. (not a link with a thousand #s on it) if you want to question my conclusions.

Where did you cite even a single statistic? You mentioned "PER" and Win Shares during "prime years". What are prime ytears? Why can't you look at their complete body of work? And the link I posted compares both of the players to every statistics including the ones you mentioned, which are almost identical for both players.

If you're going to claim you cited numbers when you actaully didn't don't come down on me when I shared a link that showed incredibly thorough statistics to prove the point that STATISTICALLY there is barely a disparity between Melo and VC.

Don't be a baby....


OK, if you want to nit-pick, I referred to them but I didn't put the exact numbers in the post. Here they are:
Vince Carter
WS career: .145
WS best 3 years: .208, .184, .182
PER career: 20.5
PER best 3 years: 25.0, 24.5, 23.4

Carmelo Anthony
WS career: .126
WS best 3 years: .153, .145, .140
PER career: 20.2
PER best 3 years: 22.2, 22.1, 22.0

Why am I looking at prime years? The career #s (which still do favor Vince in the case of WS and marginally in the case of PER) give a distorted picture because Vince has played for several years beyond his prime. Also, in my comparisons of the players, I said Vince *in his prime* was significantly better than Carmelo.

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3/16/2012  11:28 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
MSG3 wrote:http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&career=1&player_ids%5B%5D=215&player_ids%5B%5D=261

There's a comparison between Melo and Vince Carter over the span of their careers. Very similar numbers. THey vary in certain areas due to their positions, ie more assists for the guard and more rebounds for the forward. Melo has bhetter shooting percentages but not by a lot. All in all very similar numbers.

What does this prove? Absolutely nothing. Vince never achieved much in his NBA career. Melo has yet to take his team to the heights we all want and expect. But to say Vince was far superior (Bonn) is a testament to how much you dislike Melo. And there's nothing wrong with disliking him to this point. So far it's hard to argue your longstanding judgement that he's no good for the Knicks.

I just think there's enough to show that when you put him on this roster it could be special. But he has to become a smarter ball player. I think he can and has shown a lot of flashes.


I cited statistics to justify my comments. I didn't just state subjective opinions. Give some info. (not a link with a thousand #s on it) if you want to question my conclusions.

Where did you cite even a single statistic? You mentioned "PER" and Win Shares during "prime years". What are prime ytears? Why can't you look at their complete body of work? And the link I posted compares both of the players to every statistics including the ones you mentioned, which are almost identical for both players.

If you're going to claim you cited numbers when you actaully didn't don't come down on me when I shared a link that showed incredibly thorough statistics to prove the point that STATISTICALLY there is barely a disparity between Melo and VC.

Don't be a baby....


OK, if you want to nit-pick, I referred to them but I didn't put the exact numbers in the post. Here they are:
Vince Carter
WS career: .145
WS best 3 years: .208, .184, .182
PER career: 20.5
PER best 3 years: 25.0, 24.5, 23.4

Carmelo Anthony
WS career: .126
WS best 3 years: .153, .145, .140
PER career: 20.2
PER best 3 years: 22.2, 22.1, 22.0

Why am I looking at prime years? The career #s (which still do favor Vince in the case of WS and marginally in the case of PER) give a distorted picture because Vince has played for several years beyond his prime. Also, in my comparisons of the players, I said Vince *in his prime* was significantly better than Carmelo.

If yuou were to look at their career numbers it would even out because the statistics your using to judge them don't account for what kind of teams they played on and who their teammates were. Carmelo played on stronger teams than Vince. If you look at their career numbers, yes Vince has played past his prime by a few years already but he had more prime years at the front end when Melo was in his initial years in the league.

Not trying to nitpick. Before your snarky comment I even said this argument doesn't matter all that much. Both of them were very good to great offensive players and neither to this point has acieved team success for which they were/are seemingly poised to attain. My point is that you are biased against Carmelo because you don't think he can be the Alpha on a title team. Which, again, is hard to argue against at this point. But when you take an unbiased look at statistics and what they have brought to their teams, saying that Carmelo should be compared to guys like Jamal Crawford is insane. Vince is more of a realistic comparison but in my opinion he's a much greater offensive talent.

Agree to disagree.

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3/16/2012  11:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/16/2012  11:47 AM
Carmelo should be compared to guys like Jamal Crawford is insane.

Agreed; there are similarities to their games (high volume, low efficiency) and that's why I mentioned Jamal's name but clearly Carmelo is much better.

The rest we'll have to agree to disagree on. No hard feelings. I enjoy the discussion.

If I didn't know any better I would believe that Melo is sabotaging this team and trying to get Mike D fired.

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