MS wrote:Dude you're 6'10 you go get the ****ing ball. You challenge shots and you impose your will. Fitting in? It's basketball make your presence felt or sit on the bench, period.

Impacting the game comes in a variety of different ways. No one that size should ever average below 10 rebounds with that athleticism. Kevin Love leads the league in rebounds for what reason. He's smarter than almost all the other players at his position and he actually boxes out his man. Barkley was the same way. STAT never boxes anyone out he is always jumping for rebounds. It's not brain surgery it's basketball. Melo is should be grabbing 8 rebounds every game period.

And can we hit someone when they go to the basket. These guys always talk like tough guys and act like they want the world on their shoulders, but them they come out flat. Kris Humpries out hustled all our guys the other night, Melo like a chump tried to trip him, stat hit him after the whistle, Tyson tried to get in his head all while the crowd was yelling you suck and booing him everyone possession, but he was tough and owned our guys. That's the problem with this team.

Amare, go get the ****ing ball and don't let Chris Bosh embarrass you and the team. You can't be a max guy if you're not a top player at your position. Which Amare isn't. Time to look in the mirror.

+1 Stat has been outrebounded by Lin twice in the last 3 games, I believe, including last night when we really needed him.

Defense and rebounding from our forward positions will dictate how far we go this year. And start JR over Fields, at least against elite teams.

airchibundo507 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

airchibundo507 wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

DurzoBlint wrote:why didn't Davis get more burn at the point?

Cause he sucked when he played!!!!!

He didn't turn the ball over every other possession. Yes, he didn't face the pressure Lin was facing. Regardless, D'Antoni should have given him more minutes this game and less minutes to Lin, ESPECIALLY in the first half when Lin was rattled and the momentum shifted completely to the Heat's side.

I can live with missed shots. But turnovers... that's a lost possession PLUS giving Miami a guaranteed basket. And you do you really think Baron would have the balls to chuck up 30 foot three-pointers with Melo and Amare on the floor? He does that sht with impunity with the bench unit, which is why I'm glad JR got more assertive last night and ignored him when he demanded the ball.

disagree they needed to let someone else bring up the ball and initiate the offense and let Lin get the ball after a few passes.

That's a decent idea. Bring JR Smith in and let him bring the ball up the floor.

The fact is this. We needed an adjustment. D'Antoni did NOTHING. Absolutely nothing. That's a coach that is supposed to lead us to a championship?

MDA coaches a bit light Phil Jackson in that both let their players play through mistakes and see if they can correct them. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not.

airchibundo507 wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

airchibundo507 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:This is a really good article on Melo. It gives a good explanation for why someone as talented as Melo could be inefficient on offense. I wish someone statistically oriented would go over this with Melo. The changes he'd need to make to become a much more effective player are not that complicated. I think he could get near the Wade/Lebron level on offense if he made some simple changes (and got healthy).
http://www.roundballminingcompany.com/2010/10/19/carmelo-anthony-efficient/

I've seen the article before. The truth is that MDA is much like Karl. They have no idea how to incorporate Melo within an offense, so instead they just give him the ball in his sweet spot and have everyone else clear out. There are no such things as curls or designed plays when it comes to Melo.

Melo is a much more versatile scorer now than then, with his newfound pnr play and willingness to defer.

If two very good coaches "can't incorporate Melo into the offense" at what point does this fall on Melo??

I don't see plays on this team (nor did I see any in Denver). A coach like Doc Rivers designs set up plays to get the ball in the hands of his scorers where they are comfortable scoring. So far, all D'Antoni's offense consists of is improvisational point guard pick and roll play. That gimmick won't work against elite defenses.

And Melo iso isn't a problem when he is healthy. Denver was able to get to the WCF with it. But now all of a sudden the media wants to portray him as a cancer because he isos. They strongly suggest that iso is detrimental to effective offense.

knicks1248 wrote:

loweyecue wrote:Amare St_u_amire needs to to come clean and say what his issue is. We can't continue to pretend there's nothing wrong with him. If he is injured he should be on the IR, if he is still emotionally depressed, he should take some time off and get himself together. He doesn't need to save himself by avoiding contact like he has his entire career. I am tired of seeing opposing blow by him for dunk after dunk. He needs to sacrifice his body on defense like Jeffries and at least try to stop people. W/O that he is pretty useless and a very expensive decoration out there. He doesn't even draw defensive players anymore, they are happy to let him shoot airballs. And when he is goin up for a dunk if you so much as breathe on him he will lose control of the ball.

Amare was blocking shots like crazy last yr, good enough for top 5 in the league, how can you call a top 5 shot blocker a defensive liabilty..

I do see him avoid contact a lot, but i think it's more because he doesnt know how to play defense, as oppose to him just not wanting to play defense..He's hard on himself when he blows a defensive assignment..

How long has he been in the league? He doesn't know how to play defense? WTF??? What is he mentally retarded? When he is on the bench does he not see hopw Jeffries impacts the game? How hard is it to learn simple concepts like boxing out, rotating to cover the open person and taking charges? He doesn't play defense because he svaes hmslef from fould trouble. In his fantasy he still needs to close gmaes for us. Blocking shots is one small aspect of defense. It doesn't make you a great defender.

It was a good ride up till the All-Star. Let them recoup.. and come back. I suggest some of yall do the same. This is a positive season collectively; as a team. I'm enjoying this ride!!

Amar'e thinks he is taking a back seat and helping this team win a championship, but unless he steps up his game we're not winning anything.

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/think_forward_to_second_half_dzv231Z21BmXRh88uuosWK?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=

Amar'e thinks he is taking a back seat and helping this team win a championship, but unless he steps up his game we're not winning anything.

Its Berman. He took this quote from Amare and spun it into Amare taking a back seat on the team.

“No worries,’’ said Stoudemire late Thursday night in Miami after the Knicks entered the All-Star break following their loss to the Heat. “I’ve spent a year where I’ve pretty much had to sacrifice a lot of my game. Whatever it takes to win. That’s the ultimate goal. If it’s sacrificing the All-Star Game for the betterment of the team, it’s how it goes sometimes.’’

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/think_forward_to_second_half_dzv231Z21BmXRh88uuosWK#ixzz1nPbacQSE

ha good catch

franco12 wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

franco12 wrote:http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/think_forward_to_second_half_dzv231Z21BmXRh88uuosWK?CMP=OTC-rss&FEEDNAME=

Amar'e thinks he is taking a back seat and helping this team win a championship, but unless he steps up his game we're not winning anything.

Its Berman. He took this quote from Amare and spun it into Amare taking a back seat on the team.

“No worries,’’ said Stoudemire late Thursday night in Miami after the Knicks entered the All-Star break following their loss to the Heat. “I’ve spent a year where I’ve pretty much had to sacrifice a lot of my game. Whatever it takes to win. That’s the ultimate goal. If it’s sacrificing the All-Star Game for the betterment of the team, it’s how it goes sometimes.’’

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/think_forward_to_second_half_dzv231Z21BmXRh88uuosWK#ixzz1nPbacQSE

ha good catch

whatever the source - that quote still stands - and its Amar'e saying that in order to accommodate Melo, he's had to take a step back.

But that is exactly what we don't need him to do.

I actually don't see where Amare has sacrificed his game. IMHO his game has dimensioned and he has found himself in a different role because of it.