misterearl wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Melo gives the team a bad feeling, it throws their whole chemistry off, this much is obvious to anyone watching the game.

MarburyAnd1 - speak for yourself. Carmelo gives YOU a bad feeling.

"Deron Williams had a great game and the Knicks threw up too many bricks. Melo had nothing to do withtheir being bad chemistry out there. The Knicks lost because Shumpert wasn't able to be out there guarding Williams and because guys missed wide open shots all night long. Same reason they lost to the Hornets when Melo didn't even play. Same reason they have always lost under Dantoni. They can't shoot consistently enough to be in a 3 point shooting run and gun offense." - Anthony Mangiarciana

MarburyAnd1 - Did you have the same bad feeling after the New Orleans Hornets loss?

If not... Why Not?

He gives fans a bad feeling because you can sense they play a different type of hoops game with Melo out there.

I'm sure he's a cool enough guy, probably gets along well with everyone, but he's such a dominant presence on the court that the team can't help but be affected.

The feeling after the Hornets loss was that the team had an off game and they would get back on the horse, which they did, in a big way. The feeling after the Nets loss was that the team has changed, it's a different hoops team than the one we saw against Dallas, and that's scary.

I would love to come back here after some time and say "Look, I was wrong, Melo and Lin are making the magic things".

But that won't happen. I'm so sure it won't happen that I'm putting my name here, telling you it won't happen.

There's no agenda, there's no ill-will; Melo or MDA has to go, YOU CHOOSE DOLAN!

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:I wonder what these same people will say if this team gels after the All Star break?

good luck trying to figure out what orangeblobman will say next

Actually, he and Bonn are very predictable. When I logged on after the game was over, I knew I would see threads and posts from them two that pretty much blamed Melo for the last nights loss.

Well then you were wrong. I've focused at least as much of my recent criticism towards Amare and a good portion of my posts have been praising Lin and/or Tyson. (And I also praised Melo for clearly trying to fit in.) Now it is fair to say that we got no production from Melo in 37 min of play and if you replaced that with average production from an SF (maybe 14 pts, 4-8 shooting, 5 rbs, 3 assists 1 turnover), we likely would have won the game. It's also fair to say that if Amare had played like a respectable PF, we would have won the game. I would actually LOVE this roster if we had everyone except Amare and Melo and had about 40 mil in cap space instead. All that said, being annoyed by criticism of a guy who takes 20 shots a game and makes 39% is mind-boggling to me.

What do those average numbers have to do with Deron Williams dropping 38 and the Nets as a team shooting damn-near 50% from 3? Not to mention, Humphries grabbing every key-rebound in down the stretch. You guys continue to miss the point. Everyone complains so much about offense when its the defense/and rebounding which is going to make or break us this year. Lack of defending the 3 and fighting through picks (Lin)and rebounding is what lost us the game last night. I'm sorry, but 14, 5 and 3 wouldn't have been the proper umbrella to stop the Nets from raining 3's.

Anyway, obviously, any one of several factors being different could have changed the outcome. I did not think it was necessary to list every one (or even rank order them).

CashMoney wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

misterearl wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Melo gives the team a bad feeling, it throws their whole chemistry off, this much is obvious to anyone watching the game.

MarburyAnd1 - speak for yourself. Carmelo gives YOU a bad feeling.

"Deron Williams had a great game and the Knicks threw up too many bricks. Melo had nothing to do withtheir being bad chemistry out there. The Knicks lost because Shumpert wasn't able to be out there guarding Williams and because guys missed wide open shots all night long. Same reason they lost to the Hornets when Melo didn't even play. Same reason they have always lost under Dantoni. They can't shoot consistently enough to be in a 3 point shooting run and gun offense." - Anthony Mangiarciana

MarburyAnd1 - Did you have the same bad feeling after the New Orleans Hornets loss?

If not... Why Not?

He gives fans a bad feeling because you can sense they play a different type of hoops game with Melo out there.

I'm sure he's a cool enough guy, probably gets along well with everyone, but he's such a dominant presence on the court that the team can't help but be affected.

The feeling after the Hornets loss was that the team had an off game and they would get back on the horse, which they did, in a big way. The feeling after the Nets loss was that the team has changed, it's a different hoops team than the one we saw against Dallas, and that's scary.

I would love to come back here after some time and say "Look, I was wrong, Melo and Lin are making the magic things".

But that won't happen. I'm so sure it won't happen that I'm putting my name here, telling you it won't happen.

There's no agenda, there's no ill-will; Melo or MDA has to go, YOU CHOOSE DOLAN!

I'll put my name here - on IT WILL HAPPEN.

What will happen??

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

misterearl wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Melo gives the team a bad feeling, it throws their whole chemistry off, this much is obvious to anyone watching the game.

MarburyAnd1 - speak for yourself. Carmelo gives YOU a bad feeling.

"Deron Williams had a great game and the Knicks threw up too many bricks. Melo had nothing to do withtheir being bad chemistry out there. The Knicks lost because Shumpert wasn't able to be out there guarding Williams and because guys missed wide open shots all night long. Same reason they lost to the Hornets when Melo didn't even play. Same reason they have always lost under Dantoni. They can't shoot consistently enough to be in a 3 point shooting run and gun offense." - Anthony Mangiarciana

MarburyAnd1 - Did you have the same bad feeling after the New Orleans Hornets loss?

If not... Why Not?

He gives fans a bad feeling because you can sense they play a different type of hoops game with Melo out there.

I'm sure he's a cool enough guy, probably gets along well with everyone, but he's such a dominant presence on the court that the team can't help but be affected.

The feeling after the Hornets loss was that the team had an off game and they would get back on the horse, which they did, in a big way. The feeling after the Nets loss was that the team has changed, it's a different hoops team than the one we saw against Dallas, and that's scary.

I would love to come back here after some time and say "Look, I was wrong, Melo and Lin are making the magic things".

But that won't happen. I'm so sure it won't happen that I'm putting my name here, telling you it won't happen.

There's no agenda, there's no ill-will; Melo or MDA has to go, YOU CHOOSE DOLAN!

I'll put my name here - on IT WILL HAPPEN.

What will happen??

That Melo will fit into the system and the Knicks will oontend.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

misterearl wrote:

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:Melo gives the team a bad feeling, it throws their whole chemistry off, this much is obvious to anyone watching the game.

MarburyAnd1 - speak for yourself. Carmelo gives YOU a bad feeling.

"Deron Williams had a great game and the Knicks threw up too many bricks. Melo had nothing to do withtheir being bad chemistry out there. The Knicks lost because Shumpert wasn't able to be out there guarding Williams and because guys missed wide open shots all night long. Same reason they lost to the Hornets when Melo didn't even play. Same reason they have always lost under Dantoni. They can't shoot consistently enough to be in a 3 point shooting run and gun offense." - Anthony Mangiarciana

MarburyAnd1 - Did you have the same bad feeling after the New Orleans Hornets loss?

If not... Why Not?

He gives fans a bad feeling because you can sense they play a different type of hoops game with Melo out there.

I'm sure he's a cool enough guy, probably gets along well with everyone, but he's such a dominant presence on the court that the team can't help but be affected.

The feeling after the Hornets loss was that the team had an off game and they would get back on the horse, which they did, in a big way. The feeling after the Nets loss was that the team has changed, it's a different hoops team than the one we saw against Dallas, and that's scary.

I would love to come back here after some time and say "Look, I was wrong, Melo and Lin are making the magic things".

But that won't happen. I'm so sure it won't happen that I'm putting my name here, telling you it won't happen. There's no agenda, there's no ill-will; Melo or MDA has to go, YOU CHOOSE DOLAN!

Putting your name on something doesn't hold any water. So, if it does work, does that mean your not going to post here anymore? All you would have to do is change your name....Ohhh Wait!!!!!

Uptown wrote:As far as the 40 million under the cap it doesn't work that way. If we didn't sign Amare, Melo wouldn't have wanted to come here. If we dont trade for Melo, Billups is never here to be amnistied. If we dont amnisty, Billups, Chandler doesn't come. With the gapping hole at pg (No Billups) we wouldn't have signed Lin.

Think of it this way, if Amar'e does not add 20 pounds, he does not have so many shots blocked. If Amar'es shot is not blocked so much, he stops turning it over by trying to get too fancy. If Amar'e is less fancy, Carmelo is less pressed to compensate for being the only player who can get his shot off the dribble.

If Carmelo does not strain his groin, a bunch of people are not adding the Knicks on the cable packages.

Stop paying too much for cable.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:I wonder what these same people will say if this team gels after the All Star break?

good luck trying to figure out what orangeblobman will say next

Actually, he and Bonn are very predictable. When I logged on after the game was over, I knew I would see threads and posts from them two that pretty much blamed Melo for the last nights loss.

Well then you were wrong. I've focused at least as much of my recent criticism towards Amare and a good portion of my posts have been praising Lin and/or Tyson. (And I also praised Melo for clearly trying to fit in.) Now it is fair to say that we got no production from Melo in 37 min of play and if you replaced that with average production from an SF (maybe 14 pts, 4-8 shooting, 5 rbs, 3 assists 1 turnover), we likely would have won the game. It's also fair to say that if Amare had played like a respectable PF, we would have won the game. I would actually LOVE this roster if we had everyone except Amare and Melo and had about 40 mil in cap space instead. All that said, being annoyed by criticism of a guy who takes 20 shots a game and makes 39% is mind-boggling to me.

What do those average numbers have to do with Deron Williams dropping 38 and the Nets as a team shooting damn-near 50% from 3? Not to mention, Humphries grabbing every key-rebound in down the stretch. You guys continue to miss the point. Everyone complains so much about offense when its the defense/and rebounding which is going to make or break us this year. Lack of defending the 3 and fighting through picks (Lin)and rebounding is what lost us the game last night. I'm sorry, but 14, 5 and 3 wouldn't have been the proper umbrella to stop the Nets from raining 3's.

That's the only thing you got out of my post? It's like you (and several others) have a selective scanning device that looks for criticism of Carmelo and misses everything else.

Anyway, obviously, any one of several factors being different could have changed the outcome. I did not think it was necessary to list every one (or even rank order them).

The reason I attacked that part of your post is because if you really believe we would have had a better chance at beating the Nets if Melo would have put up 14, 5 and 3 (yes, thats what you said) then you are either a basketball novice or your hate for Melo is blinding any pure bb logic. Again thats not why we lost the game.

The second part of your post, again you reiterate "I dont like Melo and Amare on my team." You pretty much make that point in just about every one of your posts. Why not just make it your signiture.

As far as the 40 million under the cap it doesn't work that way. If we didn't sign Amare, Melo wouldn't have wanted to come here. If we dont trade for Melo, Billups is never here to be amnistied. If we dont amnisty, Billups, Chandler doesn't come. With the gapping hole at pg (No Billups) we wouldn't have signed Lin.

I'm even more convinced now that you have a Melo-criticism scanning chip implanted in your brain.

In my 14, 5, 3 example we would have EIGHT more possessions (5 less turnovers, 3 less missed shots). It's implausible to think that might have made a difference in the outcome of a game lost by single digits?

Regarding the roster, you are making assumptions that defy logic (e.g., the only way to get Lin was to trade for Melo) and also apparently do not realize that we can trade Melo and Amare for players with shorter contracts if we want cap space sooner.

This is the most talented team we've had in a long time especially now that we have a pg. Why not give them time to gel and see if the potential can be realized before before trying to ship them off?

ChuckBuck wrote:If the Knicks beat the Hawks and somehow the Heat tomorrow night, we should collectively stop the trade "X" player, and root the team we have!

we should stop it anyway. it's ridiculous.