nixluva wrote:

islesfan wrote:

nixluva wrote:

islesfan wrote:

nixluva wrote:

islesfan wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I'm all for extending Dantoni at this point because you will never see a better marriage between coach, true young PG, PnR players Amare/Chandler, shooter Novak, young/athletic glue guys shump, fields, jorts & veteran leadership and scoring off the bench-Baron. Only negative was waiting 23 games to figure out Grunwald knew what he was doing. But the good news is that they are turning this around FAST!

Now that we have a true PG to run the ship Phil Jackson would not be the right coach for this team imo. I originally wanted to get Phil in here because I thought he'd be able to easily run the Triangle with shump, melo, amare & chandler. Without needing a prototypical PG. Lin changed EVERYTHING. Any other coaching candidates are not even worth mentioning.

With all due respect guns, the way the Knicks are playing right now on offense has nothing to do with any style of coaching that Antoni would do differently than any other head coach. Defensively it's all been on Woodson. Antoni doesn't even bother to join the defensive huddles during timeouts. He's off walking around apart from the huddle while Woodson gets the defensive set down.

So you actually think Lin happens under any other coach but MDA? You are an IDIOT if you think that happens. No other coach gives his PG this kind of Freedom and support and a system that maximizes his strengths. MIKE is the one that was all for bringing in Lin. If they had Lin in Camp Mike would've had time to work him in and see his game sooner, but in fact they did work with Lin and develop him. To think that Lin just walked on the court and started playing like this is crazy. Lin needed time to learn the system and what Mike wanted him to do and thank God Lin's game fits perfectly with this system. You would never have seen this from Lin if he was in the Triangle.

Antoni admits that he had no idea what he had in Lin. But you're going to sit there and tell us how he knew exactly what Lin was and created the perfect system to fit his talent that he had no idea he had? Umm ok.

Out of desperation he gave Lin the ball. Lin did the rest. Lin creates either with the PnR or breaking down a defense. The team feeds off his energy and makes the extra passes because of Lin. Antoni has done nothing but watch all of this.

Why do you think they decided on Lin? It wasn't cuz they knew he would be this good, but they did like his skills and how they thought he could fit in with this system. Mike didn't have the time to work with Lin like he would if he was there in camp. We got lucky, but there was a plan in picking Lin. It wasn't like they didn't have a ton of other options to pick from to place at the end of the bench.

Also the other coaches like Kenny Atkinson worked with Lin and the players saw how good he was so how do you think it would be possible for Mike not to have seen what Lin was doing. What Mike said is that he didn't nknow if he could carry that good play INTO GAMES!!! There are plenty of practice heroes that look great in practice but can play that well in games.

Lin's D league stint was to try and give the kid reps in the system and speed up his development and it worked. Then Mike got him into games and gave Lin little bits and let Lin come along at his own pace. Lin picked it up fast and here we are.

They didn't decide on Lin, they were left with him after nobody else worked. Get it straight. There was no plan. It was desperation and it worked out better than anybody expected. As for tons of other options, the Knicks almost waived Lin to sign the immortal Mike James. The end of bench option was to sign any PG out there.

Lin was dumb luck, stop pretending that it was anything other than that. There was no grand plan by Antoni to get Lin where he is today.

You really don't know what you're talking about. MDA CHOSE LIN!!! He was told by Glen that Lin was available and Mike was all over that. They didn't have to pick up Lin off waivers. Mike already liked what he saw in Lin from his draft workout and so why not bring him in and see what he could do. Then the team was struggling and Mike was focused on trying to fix the problems.

Did anyone think Lin was going to do all this? Heck no! Still they did work with Lin and get him ready to try and help the team. The more they worked with Lin the more they saw that he was a good player. The coaches saw it. The Players saw it and in the end he got his shot. Yeah it was a desperate situation, but they didn't just ignore Lin and all of a sudden he just got on the court and played well. They had to work with him and give him instruction and once he got it, he took it from there.

Wow, you're not just a little crazy and delusional today. You're completely insane if you believe what you just wrote.

It's coming together

Might be great now but I see best yet to come.....

Also side note I almost can garantee that if we do keep him you almost garantee Nash replaces
B Diddy next year. Have him back up Lin for a few rings ;)

islesfan wrote:

nixluva wrote:

islesfan wrote:

nixluva wrote:

islesfan wrote:

nixluva wrote:

islesfan wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I'm all for extending Dantoni at this point because you will never see a better marriage between coach, true young PG, PnR players Amare/Chandler, shooter Novak, young/athletic glue guys shump, fields, jorts & veteran leadership and scoring off the bench-Baron. Only negative was waiting 23 games to figure out Grunwald knew what he was doing. But the good news is that they are turning this around FAST!

Now that we have a true PG to run the ship Phil Jackson would not be the right coach for this team imo. I originally wanted to get Phil in here because I thought he'd be able to easily run the Triangle with shump, melo, amare & chandler. Without needing a prototypical PG. Lin changed EVERYTHING. Any other coaching candidates are not even worth mentioning.

With all due respect guns, the way the Knicks are playing right now on offense has nothing to do with any style of coaching that Antoni would do differently than any other head coach. Defensively it's all been on Woodson. Antoni doesn't even bother to join the defensive huddles during timeouts. He's off walking around apart from the huddle while Woodson gets the defensive set down.

So you actually think Lin happens under any other coach but MDA? You are an IDIOT if you think that happens. No other coach gives his PG this kind of Freedom and support and a system that maximizes his strengths. MIKE is the one that was all for bringing in Lin. If they had Lin in Camp Mike would've had time to work him in and see his game sooner, but in fact they did work with Lin and develop him. To think that Lin just walked on the court and started playing like this is crazy. Lin needed time to learn the system and what Mike wanted him to do and thank God Lin's game fits perfectly with this system. You would never have seen this from Lin if he was in the Triangle.

Antoni admits that he had no idea what he had in Lin. But you're going to sit there and tell us how he knew exactly what Lin was and created the perfect system to fit his talent that he had no idea he had? Umm ok.

Out of desperation he gave Lin the ball. Lin did the rest. Lin creates either with the PnR or breaking down a defense. The team feeds off his energy and makes the extra passes because of Lin. Antoni has done nothing but watch all of this.

Why do you think they decided on Lin? It wasn't cuz they knew he would be this good, but they did like his skills and how they thought he could fit in with this system. Mike didn't have the time to work with Lin like he would if he was there in camp. We got lucky, but there was a plan in picking Lin. It wasn't like they didn't have a ton of other options to pick from to place at the end of the bench.

Also the other coaches like Kenny Atkinson worked with Lin and the players saw how good he was so how do you think it would be possible for Mike not to have seen what Lin was doing. What Mike said is that he didn't nknow if he could carry that good play INTO GAMES!!! There are plenty of practice heroes that look great in practice but can play that well in games.

Lin's D league stint was to try and give the kid reps in the system and speed up his development and it worked. Then Mike got him into games and gave Lin little bits and let Lin come along at his own pace. Lin picked it up fast and here we are.

They didn't decide on Lin, they were left with him after nobody else worked. Get it straight. There was no plan. It was desperation and it worked out better than anybody expected. As for tons of other options, the Knicks almost waived Lin to sign the immortal Mike James. The end of bench option was to sign any PG out there.

Lin was dumb luck, stop pretending that it was anything other than that. There was no grand plan by Antoni to get Lin where he is today.

You really don't know what you're talking about. MDA CHOSE LIN!!! He was told by Glen that Lin was available and Mike was all over that. They didn't have to pick up Lin off waivers. Mike already liked what he saw in Lin from his draft workout and so why not bring him in and see what he could do. Then the team was struggling and Mike was focused on trying to fix the problems.

Did anyone think Lin was going to do all this? Heck no! Still they did work with Lin and get him ready to try and help the team. The more they worked with Lin the more they saw that he was a good player. The coaches saw it. The Players saw it and in the end he got his shot. Yeah it was a desperate situation, but they didn't just ignore Lin and all of a sudden he just got on the court and played well. They had to work with him and give him instruction and once he got it, he took it from there.

Wow, you're not just a little crazy and delusional today. You're completely insane if you believe what you just wrote.

I know a trolololol when I see one. That's what you is, son.

islesfan wrote:Lin is not tied to Antoni. Lin will be a good player with or without Antoni. The question that needs to be asked is if you believe Antoni can coach this team to a championship. Plain and simple. Anybody that has watched him his entire tenure in NY can't objectively answer that in the affirmative.

Now that he is playing the right players for the most part and the fact that the defense has improved whether its dantoni, woodson or simply having better defensive players like Chandler, Shump & Jorts I think we have a good a shot as any team to win it all.

Now if you were to tell me Amare would be our starting center again and we'd be scoring 114pts a game and allowing 121 then I would agree we'd never win a championship

nixluva wrote:

islesfan wrote:

nixluva wrote:

islesfan wrote:

nixluva wrote:

islesfan wrote:

nixluva wrote:

islesfan wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I'm all for extending Dantoni at this point because you will never see a better marriage between coach, true young PG, PnR players Amare/Chandler, shooter Novak, young/athletic glue guys shump, fields, jorts & veteran leadership and scoring off the bench-Baron. Only negative was waiting 23 games to figure out Grunwald knew what he was doing. But the good news is that they are turning this around FAST!

Now that we have a true PG to run the ship Phil Jackson would not be the right coach for this team imo. I originally wanted to get Phil in here because I thought he'd be able to easily run the Triangle with shump, melo, amare & chandler. Without needing a prototypical PG. Lin changed EVERYTHING. Any other coaching candidates are not even worth mentioning.

With all due respect guns, the way the Knicks are playing right now on offense has nothing to do with any style of coaching that Antoni would do differently than any other head coach. Defensively it's all been on Woodson. Antoni doesn't even bother to join the defensive huddles during timeouts. He's off walking around apart from the huddle while Woodson gets the defensive set down.

So you actually think Lin happens under any other coach but MDA? You are an IDIOT if you think that happens. No other coach gives his PG this kind of Freedom and support and a system that maximizes his strengths. MIKE is the one that was all for bringing in Lin. If they had Lin in Camp Mike would've had time to work him in and see his game sooner, but in fact they did work with Lin and develop him. To think that Lin just walked on the court and started playing like this is crazy. Lin needed time to learn the system and what Mike wanted him to do and thank God Lin's game fits perfectly with this system. You would never have seen this from Lin if he was in the Triangle.

Antoni admits that he had no idea what he had in Lin. But you're going to sit there and tell us how he knew exactly what Lin was and created the perfect system to fit his talent that he had no idea he had? Umm ok.

Out of desperation he gave Lin the ball. Lin did the rest. Lin creates either with the PnR or breaking down a defense. The team feeds off his energy and makes the extra passes because of Lin. Antoni has done nothing but watch all of this.

Why do you think they decided on Lin? It wasn't cuz they knew he would be this good, but they did like his skills and how they thought he could fit in with this system. Mike didn't have the time to work with Lin like he would if he was there in camp. We got lucky, but there was a plan in picking Lin. It wasn't like they didn't have a ton of other options to pick from to place at the end of the bench.

Also the other coaches like Kenny Atkinson worked with Lin and the players saw how good he was so how do you think it would be possible for Mike not to have seen what Lin was doing. What Mike said is that he didn't nknow if he could carry that good play INTO GAMES!!! There are plenty of practice heroes that look great in practice but can play that well in games.

Lin's D league stint was to try and give the kid reps in the system and speed up his development and it worked. Then Mike got him into games and gave Lin little bits and let Lin come along at his own pace. Lin picked it up fast and here we are.

They didn't decide on Lin, they were left with him after nobody else worked. Get it straight. There was no plan. It was desperation and it worked out better than anybody expected. As for tons of other options, the Knicks almost waived Lin to sign the immortal Mike James. The end of bench option was to sign any PG out there.

Lin was dumb luck, stop pretending that it was anything other than that. There was no grand plan by Antoni to get Lin where he is today.

You really don't know what you're talking about. MDA CHOSE LIN!!! He was told by Glen that Lin was available and Mike was all over that. They didn't have to pick up Lin off waivers. Mike already liked what he saw in Lin from his draft workout and so why not bring him in and see what he could do. Then the team was struggling and Mike was focused on trying to fix the problems.

Did anyone think Lin was going to do all this? Heck no! Still they did work with Lin and get him ready to try and help the team. The more they worked with Lin the more they saw that he was a good player. The coaches saw it. The Players saw it and in the end he got his shot. Yeah it was a desperate situation, but they didn't just ignore Lin and all of a sudden he just got on the court and played well. They had to work with him and give him instruction and once he got it, he took it from there.

Wow, you're not just a little crazy and delusional today. You're completely insane if you believe what you just wrote.

You explain how Lin got here and what his path to playing this year was! Did he not get picked up off waivers? Did he not start off a bit shaky before he got fully acclimated? The kid himself said that Coach Atkinson helped him and that the stint in the D League helped him to get comfortable. Why did they send him down? The entire reason was to give the kid some reps. There wasn't any other reason to send Lin down!!! When Lin got back they had him practice on game days cuz there weren't any practice days and the kid needed to get reps. Then Mike started to give him opportunities and he got better every time. Where are your facts to refute this?

The Knicks were desperate for a PG. So much so that Baron Davis was seen as their Savior. Antoni said himself that BD was Plan A and that were was no Plan B. Lin was signed because he's a PG and was available. The Knicks almost waived Lin to sign Mike James because he's a PG too but with more experience. Lin sat on the bench and then got sent to the D League where he played 1 game. After being recalled with DeAndre Jordan, Lin played limited minutes including 3 DNP's before he was thrown into the fire in a complete act of desperation by Antoni with rumors flying that he was about to be fired.

That's what happened. If what you stated had any place in reality, Lin would have been playing soon after coming back from his ONE D-League game instead of riding the bench and getting DNPed.

islesfan wrote:The Knicks were desperate for a PG. So much so that Baron Davis was seen as their Savior. Antoni said himself that BD was Plan A and that were was no Plan B. Lin was signed because he's a PG and was available. The Knicks almost waived Lin to sign Mike James because he's a PG too but with more experience. Lin sat on the bench and then got sent to the D League where he played 1 game. After being recalled with DeAndre Jordan, Lin played limited minutes including 3 DNP's before he was thrown into the fire in a complete act of desperation by Antoni with rumors flying that he was about to be fired.

That's what happened. If what you stated had any place in reality, Lin would have been playing soon after coming back from his ONE D-League game instead of riding the bench and getting DNPed.

Here's a real timeline based on what actually happened:

1. MDA WANTED LIN! He didn't have to take him. He liked his skill set and had an idea that the kid fit what he wanted to do. He didn't just take any old available PG. Lin wasn't in the mix at the start but that's to be understood.

2. Lin's stint in the D League was SIX DAYS!!! He got in one game and killed it, but his stint allowed him time to practice in the system. Lin worked with K. Atkinson and practiced on game days against Baron. He looked good and that led to more looks in games.

3. When Lin came back he played 20 mins in Houston and did well. Still Mike wasn't ready to just hand Lin the ball, but it was a good little look. He got 6 minutes in the next game in Detroit. Then Mike didn't feel comfortable with Lin in the Bulls game which was like a Playoff game. The Next game was the Boston game and Lin got a 7 minutes stint and looked good. After that MDA gave him a big shot in the Nets game and Lin took it from there.

Defense sucks its MDAs fault.

Defese is good its because... we have Shumpert, Chandler, JJ all playing well...

Also considering MDA's history with PGs saying he's a bystander is equally foolish.

Sorry dude. Swing and miss.

Also who are the championship caliber players MDA has coached here in NY?

Right...

fishmike wrote:If it took losing 11 of 13 to figure things out and get lucky finding Lin who cares? In the end the results and talent speak for themselves.

That is a good point Fish that I've thought about. If MDA had played Lin earlier he probably wouldn't have the same tremendous effect on the team that he has had if Amare and Melo weren't on the outside looking in. Now we know Lin can carry the team whether distributing or scoring at will. It really was the perfect storm.

nixluva wrote:

islesfan wrote:The Knicks almost waived Lin to sign Mike James because he's a PG too but with more experience.

Almost waived and actually waived are 2 completely different things. Why talk about Almost anything. Stick to what actually happened.

nixluva, please follow along:

almost waived counts because it works against MDA.

almost beat the Spurs in the WCF doesn't count because it works for MDA.

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NYKBocker wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Lets see what kind of a job D'Antoni does in the playoffs. Lin's presence alone shouldn't dictate whether or not D'Antoni stays. It should also be determined by how he matches up against other coaches, especially in the playoffs. Ive seen him outcoached too many times since coming here.

Nothing wrong with taking a wait and see attitude, especially with a shortened season.

Actually, it does. The team, if you listen to them, are all behind MDA. This is a real bonafide team that loves each other. You don't break this team apart. Right now, we only need a backup PG. I would not even get rid of Bibby since I am afraid that you might wreck the chemistry the have developed. You gotta ride this wave and see where it takes us. This is more than once in a lifetime thing that is occurring. This has never happened before.

I mean, I am watching SportsCenter right now and they were doing the Peyton Manning piece and at the end they had Antonio Pierce and the other NFL anaylist chiming in on Linsanity. NBA TV was interviewing LeDouche and Wade and asked them about Jeremy Lin. Wow...just WOW.

To me that would be like making an important decision on a sugar high. If D'antoni gets outcoached in the playoffs and the Knicks make an early exit, all the good feelings in the world won't matter. I agree we should ride this wave this season and see where it takes us, if we end up smashed against the rocks because the coaching wasn't up to par then I don't really see the point of extending D'Antoni.

I'm open to D'Antoni's contract being extended, just want to give him an entire season to prove he can take this team to the next level and we won't really know that until the playoffs come around.

didn't you just propose the same type of sugar high decision-making by focusing on a couple set of playoff games?

What other metric would you use to evaluate his performance? I'm evaluating D'Antoni not just on this year's playoffs but last year's where D'Antoni was outcoached, and almost 4 seasons as head coach in NY.

metrics? Situation, growth, what team wants, long term benefits.

All 4 seasons he was out coached? What were your expectations and did he meet, under- or over- perform?

Last year's playoffs? What was the expectation? By all accounts MDA out coached Rivers. Did it equate to wins? No. Should the Knicks have gotten blown out all 4 games, IMHO, yes.

Preach my friend. We took a roster that had gaping holes on defense and then lost our two best players and people think MDA got outcoached. Sometimes it's just hard to fathom.