nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Of course the team would be better with a better PG. This core won't be part of a championship contending team unless the new PG is a 22 year old Magic Johnson though.

See you started to have a valid point and then you had to go overboard. JUST LAST YEAR we saw that this team was a top 5 offense with FELTON as the PG! So why do you have to go with the cliche MDA can't win without an Elite PG crap? He proved that he can get it done with just a decent PG and you have to go and write something over the top.

Two things: Top 5 offensive team is not the same as a contender. Second, that was before we added Melo, whom I believe will play no role on an NBA championship winning team. If we had Gallo at the SF I'd be less pessimistic than I am now (but still pessimistic).
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Also, I don't get why anyone who has watched the team under Dolan's ownership could be puzzled about a poster being quite negative. Would you find it shocking if a poster on the Clippers forums in the 2000s was consistently highly critical of the team? Guess what, they had a better decade than we did.

firefly wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

firefly wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MS wrote:I think the alarming part of this and every post is that it hinges on Baron Davis to make Carmelo, Chandler and Amare worth having on the team. Because with the lack of flexibility the Knicks have the next 3-4 years we have to rely on luck.

Why would Nash take the mid-level to come to new york when we could just as easily go to a team like Miami? Why would Raymond Felton take less money to play in New York. Jameer Nelson is already medicore. So where does that leave the Knicks. We have little to no tradeable assets that's why it's not to early to judge this move.

A starting point guard, two starting sf, a backup/starting center, power foward depth and draft pick is a lot to give up for a team getting back one player. Again our package of players is better than what the Clippers gave up for Chris Paul.

So what happens if Baron gets injured? It's likely we miss the playoffs. As unlikely as it is that Cleveland beats us out they have a starting center that is as good as chandler and point guard that is a leader and shooting above 50% as a rookie. We are essentially competing with the Bucks and the Cavs. That's downright embarrassing.

I think it's pretty melodramatic to say that Tyson Chandler, Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony aren't worth having on the team.

No one is saying that Baron makes them worthwhile - they're saying he's a big piece of the puzzle. Kind of the way people here were always saying a defensive center was a piece of the puzzle - and it was.

But a defensive center isn't gonna run the point. There's no one cureall - it's about building a team. The Knicks have some good foundation built and even some walls on the house - now they need a front door. Baron can be a front door. No one is saying the front door is the most important part of the house, it'd be pretty useless without the foundation and walls. But it's a pretty damn important piece to be missing.

AND, where did I even say Baron was a cureall? I said they needed guard depth. Berman is saying the Knicks are chasing Ramon Sessions - I like that idea. We might be chasing JR Smith, I like that idea.

None of those guys is "the answer"... they're pieces that we are adding to a very good foundation.

I swear - some people want to act like a foundation of Carmelo, Tyson, Amar'e, Fields, Shumpert isn't a good start. IT IS. It's just missing some pieces.

yea.. this is why Knick fans arent smart. They are stupid. They dont understand why you cant add a couple players and be the Celtics 4 years ago.

Yeah I don't know how anyone could have looked at this roster and thought we had a .650 or .700 team.

comments like this are why your viewed as a little turd and get dumped on around here. Keep saying the same snide crap and act shocked when people here crap on you and your posts.

You make delusional predictions at the start of the season and then act like you knew it all along that the team would struggle and get upset when someone reminds you of them? If this team was winning at a .700 pace, do you think no one would ever remind me of my predictions?

No. Because you wouldnt be here. Youd be off eating lemons elsewhere. When the Knicks finally do win a championship, I hope youre ready to celebrate (still not sure that you would) alone, because sure as Shit noone from heres gonna celebrate with you.

Actually the realists here agree with me. And I've always been here during our (brief) winning streaks.

I will admit though my previous post to Fish was a bit immature regardless of whether others would have done it to me. Sorry Fish.

Whether they agree with you or not is immaterial. Youre the only one who shoves their opinions around like a snide little tit. Even Islesfan, whom most would agree was the most negative poster ever was just doom and gloom. And you know what? People prefer the guy who say "we suck and we'll always suck" to the guy who says "we suck and I knew it first. Rah rah to me because I saw we would suck before anyone else". You do realize that IF you are a Knicks fan, you dont win by saying "I said this would fall apart first!" right? Trying to score points because you saw the disaster first is like being the guy who runs around after the Titanic yelling "I knew it was gonna happen. I TOLD you it was going to happen. It was me that saw it coming!!". Sooner or later that guy gets poked in the eye with a sharp stick. Because that guy is snide, annoying and unhelpful.

You can't be serious. I do much less of that than most people do. Many here (but not me) have been told to stop bringing back old threads and just post links instead because they were bringing back old threads to show who was wrong. I don't know what examples you have (other than the comment I apologized for) of me shoving down people's throats the fact that they were wrong but I would love to see them.

nixluva wrote:I don't get the gloating thing from Bonn. I do get a sense that he's jaded by all the losing. Many NY fans are like that. I think many fans are too quick to jump off the bandwagon. Simmons makes sense and I don't often agree with him. There's a long way to go before we an close the book on this team.

Man if you, Crzy and, others really cared about having a respectful discussion, you'd get on people for regularly calling people like me and MS Knicks-haters and regularly cursing us out rather than getting on me for one line I apologized for. My guess is if most of you were treated like MS, I, and a few others are, you'd lose your cool much more often than any of us do.

nyk4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:

raven wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

MS wrote:I think the alarming part of this and every post is that it hinges on Baron Davis to make Carmelo, Chandler and Amare worth having on the team. Because with the lack of flexibility the Knicks have the next 3-4 years we have to rely on luck.

Why would Nash take the mid-level to come to new york when we could just as easily go to a team like Miami? Why would Raymond Felton take less money to play in New York. Jameer Nelson is already medicore. So where does that leave the Knicks. We have little to no tradeable assets that's why it's not to early to judge this move.

A starting point guard, two starting sf, a backup/starting center, power foward depth and draft pick is a lot to give up for a team getting back one player. Again our package of players is better than what the Clippers gave up for Chris Paul.

So what happens if Baron gets injured? It's likely we miss the playoffs. As unlikely as it is that Cleveland beats us out they have a starting center that is as good as chandler and point guard that is a leader and shooting above 50% as a rookie. We are essentially competing with the Bucks and the Cavs. That's downright embarrassing.

I think it's pretty melodramatic to say that Tyson Chandler, Amar'e Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony aren't worth having on the team.

No one is saying that Baron makes them worthwhile - they're saying he's a big piece of the puzzle. Kind of the way people here were always saying a defensive center was a piece of the puzzle - and it was.

But a defensive center isn't gonna run the point. There's no one cureall - it's about building a team. The Knicks have some good foundation built and even some walls on the house - now they need a front door. Baron can be a front door. No one is saying the front door is the most important part of the house, it'd be pretty useless without the foundation and walls. But it's a pretty damn important piece to be missing.

AND, where did I even say Baron was a cureall? I said they needed guard depth. Berman is saying the Knicks are chasing Ramon Sessions - I like that idea. We might be chasing JR Smith, I like that idea.

None of those guys is "the answer"... they're pieces that we are adding to a very good foundation.

I swear - some people want to act like a foundation of Carmelo, Tyson, Amar'e, Fields, Shumpert isn't a good start. IT IS. It's just missing some pieces.

yea.. this is why Knick fans arent smart. They are stupid. They dont understand why you cant add a couple players and be the Celtics 4 years ago.

Yeah I don't know how anyone could have looked at this roster and thought we had a .650 or .700 team.

comments like this are why your viewed as a little turd and get dumped on around here. Keep saying the same snide crap and act shocked when people here crap on you and your posts.

Sorry Fish, but the guy is just stating what happened.

Does your comment mean that if some fans are right (while sometimes ridiculing other fans that think differently), we have to be fine with that, and if they're wrong, we have to pretend nothing happened?

Sounds like a ''head I win, tail you lose'' situation to me. Not really honest thinking.

I admit Bonn sometimes sounds bitter, but man, he got a lot of fire for saying things that are happening right now. This should count somewhere, right?

As you a poster here who actually says something I will respond: he got fire for being a little snit about it, not for saying the Knicks wouldnt be good. This and my comment earlier to Bonn will be all the time I spend thinking of or addressing any of his opinions for sometime.

welcome to the club - my breaking point came a few weeks ago.

Announcing publicly to another poster that you're not gonna post to me? Did you really need to do that? That's passive aggressive and pretty low.