JCrusher wrote:

martin wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

JCrusher wrote:

nixluva wrote:We have our core minus a PG. STAT, Melo, Tyson, Shump, PG? This is why waiting on Baron is the only solution short of developing the guards we have. If Lin develops and can help that's great, but you still need an experienced PG for the playoffs.

we still ned to get to the playoff man lol. I mean there are other teams missing key players and yet they are still doing well. I mean if you think baron is gonna raise us from 10th to 3rd all of a sudden that a lttle crazy lol

We have to be third in the East to get to the playoffs? Since when? What other teams is dealing with a completely overhauled roster and missing a starting PG (PG is the MOST important piece in weaving the team together)

You misunderstood me. I'm not saying we have to be third im just saying that baron is not gonna solve all of our woes all of a sudden especially coming off an injury

No one thing will solve all our problems. But if you ranked all the things we eed to fix this mess, getting a starting PG that can pass and set up an offense is miles ahead of any other need.

Im not saying you're wrong but im just saying dont expect a huge turnaround unless our other problems go away and nobody can predict that. not being negative just honest

how can you be honest about something you can't predict? LOL

What im saying is that some think baron will all of a sudden make us lok great. If you want my honest opinion even when baron comes back it will take time for him to get into a groove. So if you were trying to make fun of me or act like a twat it really didn't work.

mostly i'm acting like a twat cause your arguments aren't very precise or accurate. Who is saying that when baron comes back all of sudden the Knicks will be great? Cause I don't think anyone is doing that.

I think what most are suggesting is the a good PG will help the Knicks a lot and we hope that Baron will fill that role.

martin wrote:
mostly i'm acting like a twat cause your arguments aren't very precise or accurate. Who is saying that when baron comes back all of sudden the Knicks will be great? Cause I don't think anyone is doing that.

I think what most are suggesting is the a good PG will help the Knicks a lot and we hope that Baron will fill that role.

are you being honest about that though?

Baron Davis may hold out another week:

http://www.thewindyapple.com/2012/01/30/baron-davis-may-hold-out-another-week/

nyk4ever wrote:dude enough with those windyapple articles. seems like they are always wrong.

the best was "baron davis to play tonight" and then 10 minutes later "baron davis out tonight"

The whole Baron Davis Watch is nuts.

Writers are missing the entire point of this experiment. Basketball more physically demanding than baseball and its collisions can be as violent as football. With a rapid fire schedule, the question is NOT when Baron Davis walks on the court for a test drive.

Do you think an opposing guard will have sympathy for his back, or try to run him into the basket support on a drive?

How long will it take his back to send a message to his brain that something does not feel right?

Cuttino Mobley

Allanfan20 wrote:Baron Davis, for all we know, may very well be in the Mike Bibby category at this point. He seems to be taking a very long time to heal, which should be a surprise to nobody. The original plan was 8 to 10 weeks. Why does anyone want to even rush that? What good is this going to do other than getting MAYBE some very short term relief. Notice I said MAYBE. FOr that matter, it's highly questionable that he'll be good to go by the end of the 8 to 10 weeks.

To top it off, he wasn't exactly a pure point guard, even when in his prime. He was always a shoot first player.

nixluva wrote:The only issue in my mind is whether Baron can get healthy, not his actually game. He's more than just a scorer and always has been. People just tend focus on the negatives of players and cuz he has been the best player on some not to amazing teams, he gets branded as a scorer that isn't interested in passing. He's a VERY good passer and always has been. The only issue is can he recover from this back injury.

In the meantime the team needs to continue to work to improve their execution with the players they have. Our Guards are starting to get better, which was bound to happen. It's not realistic to think they shoot as terribly as they have to start the year all season. Fields is looking like himself. Shump has settled down. TD is starting to shoot better and Lin looks promising. They can't replace a legit NBA starting PG, but they can play better TEAM BALL and that's what they need to do.

Our guards are starting to get better? I beg to differ ...

Fields has a decent game every few games - which is - i guess - "better"
TD is awful and will always be awful - at least in his current role
Shump is going backwards
Lin? - please ... he is our new David Butler

AND BARON IS OUR SAVIOR!!!

We are in a sad state - I still think the Tyson Chandler move will bite us in the arse for many years to come (thought I love the way he has played)

misterearl wrote:The Answer Man Never Begs But He Does Differ

mrKnickShot wrote:Q. guards are starting to get better?

A. Depends on who you are talking about. Blanket assessments are never cool and rarely entertaining.

mrKnickShot wrote:Fields has a decent game every few games - which is - i guess - "better"

Fields is making in-season adjustments. He still brings to mind another number 17 who played in Boston. Donnie Walsh was right about him.

mrKnickShot wrote:Q. Lin?

A. Yes please. So long as he learns from his mistakes, The Garden will support him. As he continues to drive with his head up, he will earn the trust of his running buddies. If he can make Jerome Jordan look good, he can make Tyson look good.

mrKnickShot wrote:Shump is going backwards

Shumpert is a rookie who is playing with passion and playing through pain. He is tough. He fights on defense. That is NOT going backwards. Unless of course, all you look at is the superficial.

mrKnickShot wrote:TD is awful and will always be awful - at least in his current role

Douglas is a bad fit. He would be better served on a shiftline that sees his offense as a bonus, rather than a necessity. Number 17 gets his minutes.

I know you love Fields and I am actually a big fan as well. However, he is not shining in this system like he should. He actually has alot more talent and aggressiveness that is being stymied by this ISO / Park Beyond The Ark system.

Shumpert should be coming off the bench as a backup to Fields and thats where his energy and tenaciousness will show itself.

Lin? Why even mention him until he contributes meaningful minutes or non-contributes with given/meaningful minutes. He, to this point is a confured up super hero by desperate NY fans that are starving.

Baron Davis? Well he is actually starting to "get better" or else franchise = doomed

misterearl wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Shumpert should be coming off the bench as a backup to Fields and thats where his energy and tenaciousness will show itself.

Agree. Save his knees.

mrKnickShot wrote:Lin? ... to this point is a confured up super hero by desperate NY fans that are starving.

Super hero? Not stated or implied by anyone. The idea is to allow him 15 meaningful minutes normally donated to Toney Douglas.

mrKnickShot wrote:Baron Davis?

Valentines Day. Definitely. Maybe.

What has Lin shown to warrant such coverage on UK? I garuntee if you created a thread titled "Jeremy Lin" and said anything you will have an exorbitant number of hits. And, I don't believe that this is due to the Asian voting block ala Yao-all star votes.

I do however get quite upset with MDA when he refuses to give a chance to a player especially when there is obviously no better/viable option. Corey Brewer, Derrick Brown ...

It was funny when J-Jesus Lin came into the Laker game in garbage time and looked dreadful, the "Free Jeremy Lin" threads died down a bit. That was until he got an assist in the next episode of garbage time and the threads were back.

Play him PLEASE! lets see what he can/can't do - then we can decide if he is who they think he is.

I know you love Fields and I am actually a big fan as well. However, he is not shining in this system like he should. He actually has alot more talent and aggressiveness that is being stymied by this ISO / Park Beyond The Ark system.

I didn't sift through to see who posted this but it makes the point I'm trying to make and what my issue with D'Antoni is right now: there is no system. Plenty of offenses have succeeded without elite point guards (heck, no offense with an elite PG has actually won a title since Isiah Thomas did it, really). Phil Jackson's in particular fit this description really well, but a guy like Toney Douglas who can defend and hit a spot-up shot should fill a role even if he's not fantastic.

The other problem with the offensive system or lack thereof is that Amar'e isn't being used correctly. He SHOULD be the primary screen man on the screen-and-roll with Melo, but Tyson Chandler's doing it instead. This combined with Amare's poor shooting, which shouldn't stick around, are the reasons why he's looking bad. Bringing in a 25 year-old Baron Davis isn't going to change this unless the offense changes and Amar'e becomes the primary screen guy like he was last year.

We watch games where guys who have no business running the offense are passing it back and forth on the perimeter. It falls on the coach to tell everybody who's running the offense, and on this team it has to be Carmelo simply because there is nobody else. If the team's not executing that way, that falls on the coaching staff.