Nalod wrote:Walker is not doing his job well off the bench.

Its a problem.

I totally agree but
neither is JJ at center.

TD and Bibby at PG.

this is where I do not understand Lin, Jordan, and Novak not getting a shot, as they are not AR's....
Dantoni's philosophy is to continue to watch his team struggle and pray to god they will be able to hit 3pointers with no penetration.
While rolling his eyes, watching the same result, and looking surprised/disgusted, while repeating the same lineups...

Really?

EnySpree wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:All these bench gusy we clamor for. All these guys we destroy our coaching staffs for not playing, not one has ever turned in to a star. As a matter of fact they go to other teams and pretty much play the exact same role they did here.

you are correct...but like they and them say....its different this time!!!

I believe thats true because of what we see. Using Jordan Hill for example...he was playing like **** when he had his opportunity here. He looked lost and so forth. He goes to Houston...aside from spot starting before Dalembert came....he has be ****.

Rick Brunson...and that dude you guys used to say looked like me that played point....they were bums. Frank Williams s on the run from da po'lice....Sweetney is gonna be on the pro athlete bigest loser if they ever do it. Jackie Butler is working for ups probably.

I serously believe Lin is different.

The reason to stash him is so the knicks can low ball him with salary. it sounds stupid but not playing the dude wen the knicks need a point guard is retarded. The guy has legit skills and a resume to back it up. Hes not a fluke.

I still don't understand why D'Antoni would do this. His job is on the line. Why would he stash a starter on the bench with his job on the line?

earthmansurfer wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I went hard about Lin in my last blog....

It angers me that people use words like raw to describe him. Like what is Toney Douglas and Shumpert at point guard. Those guys are raw prospects at point cuz neittyher are very good at it.

Lin got shipped to the d-league and had a legendary game 28/12/11.....triple ****ing double. That is not raw. Its not a joke either. This guy is better than any point guard Cleveland played last night including the rookie from duke. He damn sure is better than Bibby and he has pure point guard skill and natural instincts. His handle is top notch as well. He's a legit 6'3" too.

Its complete bull**** that this guy is not playing. I personally think this kid can start for us and be the point guard for the future wit Shump at his side at shooting guard for the next 10 years

TD is a student of MDA's very complicated system and he trusts him to run it as designed.

I am not sure if Jeremy Lin has the brains to pick up this syastem.

He was held back if you haven't heard.

I'm all for playing Lin some minutes. The guy can pass. Yes he is out of control at times and that is the one thing Tony has been generally doing well - not turning the ball over - but he doesn't bring anything else. Douglas' shoulder is obviously hurt, he was a pretty good shooter last before this injury... a very very long time ago.

Line drives, dishes and looks to pass the ball to people in a position to score. It is totally different than Douglas just passing the ball to get some ball movement. Even if Lin turns it over 5 to 7 times a game, I still think he would bring more to the offense than Douglas, as he would get those assists and the offense rolling some. I think his TOs would go down a lot, he is just too heady. He can shoot and score inside. Give the kid a chance. Douglas is hurt, stop playing him. Same can be said for Melo. (We can't shoot, can defend some and yet Novak - one of the best 3pt shooters in the league - gets no burn????)

On a separate note - The coach needs to go...

Seriously?

Bippity10 wrote:Lin's career average is 1.4 assists to .6 turnovers. Someone do the math real quick.

What's that like 14:1 assist to turnover ratio. Again, he may be a superstar. May be the greatest pg in the history of the world for all I know, but he has shown none of this in actual game action. All he has shown is the potential to one day get minutes

Lin did not get to play much PG in GS, as he was usually playing SG due to Coach Smart's system. I'm not sure how you did your math, but his A/T ratio would go up given more time as PG.

Bippity10 wrote:

upstate wrote:

Bippity10 wrote:Lin's career average is 1.4 assists to .6 turnovers. Someone do the math real quick.

What's that like 14:1 assist to turnover ratio. Again, he may be a superstar. May be the greatest pg in the history of the world for all I know, but he has shown none of this in actual game action. All he has shown is the potential to one day get minutes

Lin did not get to play much PG in GS, as he was usually playing SG due to Coach Smart's system. I'm not sure how you did your math, but his A/T ratio would go up given more time as PG.

The math was sarcasm. Yeesh

So why didn't he get much playing time in GS? Why was he ususally playing SG? If he's the high IQ guy that can run our offense from day one, why is he still struggling for a shot. Maybe because he needs to grow and develop before he actually gets that shot? Would you consider that as a possibility?

I agree that Lin has alot to learn and room to grow and develop, like other young PG who have gotten little playing time. The fact is that he has already improved greatly from last year in GS. He got no playing time in GS because Coach Smart was paranoid for his job and wanted to only play his starters (sometimes Ellis and even Curry would play 46-48 minutes). Lin actually got to develop his game in D League last year, where he dominated and made first team. He has already shown improvement in running an offense and shooting this year in his limited time, the two areas in which he needs the most improvement.

The reason he was played at SG is because he can also play that position well, as he is 6'3" without shoes (could be listed at 6'4" or even 6'5"), and can defend both guard positions well.

Even at this early stage, however, Lin is already a better PG than what the Knicks have (other than Baron, offensively). Even better is that he has room to grow before he hits his ceiling, as he has already improved. Don't get me wrong, I like TD, as he always tries hard and can get hot shooting at times, but TD's PG ceiling is not much higher as he has already gotten alot of PT, and I also like Bibby, who is still a good shooter and passer, but he just doesn't have the legs anymore to create the open look, create the double team (in order to free up the open man), or the ability to stay with his man on defense. Shumpert is a more natural SG as well, much like TD, although of course Shump's ceiling is higher than TD because of his athleticism and age.

The other thing I'm confused about is that if he is clearly better then the other two, why would the coach on the verge of being fired sit him on the bench? He'd rather get fired then play the Asian kid?????

None of any of this makes any sense. Let the guy play 20 minutes a night and produce for a few weeks before we annoint him anything.

Bippity10 wrote:I guess what I'm not understanding is how do you determine that a guy is better than everyone else when he's played a grand total of what25 minutes. All in garbage time of blowouts in which no one on the court really cared about the outcome. How do you translate those 4 minutes a night to actual in game situations? I guess this is what I'm missing.

The other thing I'm confused about is that if he is clearly better then the other two, why would the coach on the verge of being fired sit him on the bench? He'd rather get fired then play the Asian kid?????

None of any of this makes any sense. Let the guy play 20 minutes a night and produce for a few weeks before we annoint him anything.

made a similar post earlier in this thread.. couldn't agree more bip.

d'antoni knows full well that depending on how this team does this year, his job is on the line so ANYONE implying that he wouldn't be playing lin for any reason other than the fact that he can't play is seriously reaching. it really makes absolutely no sense what so ever.

nyk4ever wrote:although come to think about it, people here complained the same way about jordan hill and randolph. the rockets just declined hill's option and anthony randolph is playing 12mpg.

same ****, different toilet.

And what about Darko??