smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MS wrote:Iman is a good player, but I can't believe people are making him out to be someone that kills the trade for Dwight. You give up the farm for this guy. This isn't Melo. This guy actually produces wins and makes everyone better.

+1
Literally, you do give up the farm for him. Orlando can pick whoever they want on our roster and tell us to take back whatever contracts they want us to.

And so what has been learnt from the melo trade experience? Absolutely nothing at all...

Knick's are currently struggling, Orlando is not, we are not the only team that can give them a good package.
IF we are serious about trading with Orlando it will have to start off with

Chandler
Melo

no one is taking Amare with the way he is playing and having an uninsured contract.
Because they took a shot with Gilbert, they will not repeat the same mistake in less than a year away.
That is the same reason why we didn't take a good look at Jennings after having a cancer PG in Starbury.

In addition,
Orlando, will try to unload Duhons with Q, and see who will roll the dice on those bad contracts, in addition to a serviceable Turkeglu.

If you were Orlando, would you rather have

Bynum
Gasol

or

Chandler
Melo *which is a ball stopper, a volume scorer currently shooting a horrible %, and does NOTHING to improve the players around him?*

We don't know if Laker's are willing to part with both players, but we will know heading up to the All Star Break and deadline.
Even if Laker's aren't willing to part with both players, TEAMS in the League will throw out better offers than, Chandler and Amare.
Dwight Howard and Turkoglu *serviceable* with the bad contracts of Duhon and/or Q.
Its very possible they would be willing to include Ryan Anderson because he is a younger poor mans Dirk but with Orlando being a RFA and Orlando having
about 85million of salary already, they might not be willing to pay for his services this summer.
They will be looking to get back as many young prospects, future picks, and "all star" and "star" players.

its debatable, which direction they would rather have, but its a no brainer it is not worth discussing with Amare.
I don't know if it is worth trading, if we had to give up Iman in addition to Chandler/Melo, but I know our current lineup is not meshing...

The bidding will go to their advantage because EVERYONE wants Dwight Howard, knowing he can single handly makes almost any team instant contenders, as the most dominant center in the league.
center for the next 5 - 6 years to build around.

MS wrote:Iman is a good player, but I can't believe people are making him out to be someone that kills the trade for Dwight. You give up the farm for this guy. This isn't Melo. This guy actually produces wins and makes everyone better.

The farm is already gone.

You need this kid to be even be competitive.

You gotta draw a line somewhere.

TLover wrote:I brought topic up a few days back..Stephen A. must of read my post

This could also be a ploy by Orlando to raise the offer from the Lakers to include both Gasol & Bynam.

Either way, the Knicks need to do everthing possible to get D. Howard (even if it includes Shumpert)

Also from a business point of view, keeping Howard away from the Nets would keep the Knicks as the only game in town.

Although I would follow up with Melo to the Nets for D. Williams & their draft picks.

Yeah I would follow up with a Melo for Dwill.

Build a better team around Dwill and Howard. Two hardest positions to find talent like that.

mrKnickShot wrote:I think its fun to keep changing it up.

When I play basketball, we sometimes mix up the teams twice in one night.

Makes it so much more exciting (especially when that all we can get)!

When you cannot win anything mixing it up can keep it entertaining.
Isn't it what Dolan is thinking? It should be some logic in his madness.

mrKnickShot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I think its fun to keep changing it up.

When I play basketball, we sometimes mix up the teams twice in one night.

Makes it so much more exciting (especially when that all we can get)!

When you cannot win anything mixing it up can keep it entertaining.
Isn't it what Dolan is thinking? It should be some logic in his madness.

Yes. Sells tickets even when you are crapping more and more crap.

It keeps us all watching, doesn't it?

But I am not wasting any $$$ on it... And have no plans.
So Jimmy can kiss my a..ss thanks to Internet age.

mrKnickShot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

arkrud wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:I think its fun to keep changing it up.

When I play basketball, we sometimes mix up the teams twice in one night.

Makes it so much more exciting (especially when that all we can get)!

When you cannot win anything mixing it up can keep it entertaining.
Isn't it what Dolan is thinking? It should be some logic in his madness.

Yes. Sells tickets even when you are crapping more and more crap.

It keeps us all watching, doesn't it?

But I am not wasting any $$$ on it... And have no plans.
So Jimmy can kiss my a..ss thanks to Internet age.

I find this all very theatrical - its like a car crash - you don't want to look but you need to look. And, you look.

car crash... hmmmm... true... this team looks like car crash... more like multicar crash.

colombian0725 wrote:

TLover wrote:I brought topic up a few days back..Stephen A. must of read my post

This could also be a ploy by Orlando to raise the offer from the Lakers to include both Gasol & Bynam.

Either way, the Knicks need to do everthing possible to get D. Howard (even if it includes Shumpert)

Also from a business point of view, keeping Howard away from the Nets would keep the Knicks as the only game in town.

Although I would follow up with Melo to the Nets for D. Williams & their draft picks.

Yeah I would follow up with a Melo for Dwill.

Build a better team around Dwill and Howard. Two hardest positions to find talent like that.

I would not trade Melo for Dwill. PG is one of the easiest positions currently to find talent. We will be headed into the summer with the opportunity to add Nash, Felton, Miller, and a ton of other quality PGs. If we were to lose Melo, who would we replace him with? Maybe Wilson Chandler comes back at a discount, but there aren't a lot of options.

I am for trading Stoudemire and Chandler for Howard and Turk because i consider Howard the most valuable NBA player at the most valuable position. But whether you have a core of Melo and Stat or Howard with DWill, you still lack the supporting cast to become a good team. They may be a better mix together, but that is irrelivent with the supporting cast we have. My point is you don't shuffle your best players just because they aren't winning, you need to diagnose the problem. Both of them are struggling but they are not the problem. The problem is still the problem whether you have our two top players or 2 other top NBA players. If you want to trade our 2 guys for better players fine, but you are wanting to trade them for the wrong reasons, because you someone think DWill and Dwight will solve the problems that Melo and Stat can't. That will not happen.

MarburyAnd1Crossover wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

colombian0725 wrote:

TLover wrote:I brought topic up a few days back..Stephen A. must of read my post

This could also be a ploy by Orlando to raise the offer from the Lakers to include both Gasol & Bynam.

Either way, the Knicks need to do everthing possible to get D. Howard (even if it includes Shumpert)

Also from a business point of view, keeping Howard away from the Nets would keep the Knicks as the only game in town.

Although I would follow up with Melo to the Nets for D. Williams & their draft picks.

Yeah I would follow up with a Melo for Dwill.

Build a better team around Dwill and Howard. Two hardest positions to find talent like that.

I would not trade Melo for Dwill. PG is one of the easiest positions currently to find talent.

Tell that to the Knicks.

I think that Dwill with Howard fits better. Dwill will make everyone on the court better. He will make Dwight better. Melo doesn't make his teammates better. I think with Dwill and Howard this will be a better team. I think Dwill and Howard will both make their teammates better.