ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Drafting Shumpert really saved the Knicks because there was nothing left after the Melo trade. Smart drafting is a big key in every sport.

speaking of which, how are Jordan Hill and Brandon Jennings doing these days?

Jordan Hill

Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2011-12 24 HOU NBA 8 7 18.6 2.1 4.0 .531 0.0 0.0 0.8 1.1 .667 1.5 4.0 5.5 0.6 0.3 0.6 1.1 2.8 5.0
Career NBA 127 18 14.9 2.3 4.6 .494 0.0 0.0 .000 0.9 1.3 .691 1.7 2.4 4.1 0.4 0.2 0.6 0.8 2.1 5.4

Brandon Jennings

Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2011-12 22 MIL NBA 8 8 37.9 6.9 17.0 .404 1.6 5.9 .277 2.8 3.6 .759 0.9 2.5 3.4 5.4 1.9 0.1 2.5 1.5 18.1
Career NBA 153 151 33.6 5.7 14.9 .381 1.7 4.8 .347 2.9 3.6 .810 0.6 2.9 3.5 5.3 1.4 0.3 2.4 2.2 15.9

Looks like Jennings turned out to be solid at 18 pts and 5 asts per game. Jordan Hill was just a terrible pick in so many ways...we could've had a starting PG already (Jennings, Holiday, Lawson, Teague, Maynor, Collison). Oh well Hindsight is 20/20, and Baron Davis is roughly a month away

Don't say I didn't warn the UK family. I played against Jordan Hill in Tucson AZ, and we had to play zone during a pickup game because of their height. I was the low guy in that zone, and had to matchup with him most of the game. He doesn't have a low center of gravity, so I was able to push him around. But heres the glarrying surprise about this story.....I'm barely 6'0 tall 192 lbs. Yes, I'm one of the best defenders in most gyms, but he had almost a foot on me, and looked rather average. I didn't have a good feeling about him ever since. I was hoping he was just clowning around, since the knicks picked him up in the draft a month later. It's obvious he was selected too high.

blkexec wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

martin wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Drafting Shumpert really saved the Knicks because there was nothing left after the Melo trade. Smart drafting is a big key in every sport.

speaking of which, how are Jordan Hill and Brandon Jennings doing these days?

Jordan Hill

Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2011-12 24 HOU NBA 8 7 18.6 2.1 4.0 .531 0.0 0.0 0.8 1.1 .667 1.5 4.0 5.5 0.6 0.3 0.6 1.1 2.8 5.0
Career NBA 127 18 14.9 2.3 4.6 .494 0.0 0.0 .000 0.9 1.3 .691 1.7 2.4 4.1 0.4 0.2 0.6 0.8 2.1 5.4

Brandon Jennings

Season Age Tm Lg G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PF PTS
2011-12 22 MIL NBA 8 8 37.9 6.9 17.0 .404 1.6 5.9 .277 2.8 3.6 .759 0.9 2.5 3.4 5.4 1.9 0.1 2.5 1.5 18.1
Career NBA 153 151 33.6 5.7 14.9 .381 1.7 4.8 .347 2.9 3.6 .810 0.6 2.9 3.5 5.3 1.4 0.3 2.4 2.2 15.9

Looks like Jennings turned out to be solid at 18 pts and 5 asts per game. Jordan Hill was just a terrible pick in so many ways...we could've had a starting PG already (Jennings, Holiday, Lawson, Teague, Maynor, Collison). Oh well Hindsight is 20/20, and Baron Davis is roughly a month away

Don't say I didn't warn the UK family. I played against Jordan Hill in Tucson AZ, and we had to play zone during a pickup game because of their height. I was the low guy in that zone, and had to matchup with him most of the game. He doesn't have a low center of gravity, so I was able to push him around. But heres the glarrying surprise about this story.....I'm barely 6'0 tall 192 lbs. Yes, I'm one of the best defenders in most gyms, but he had almost a foot on me, and looked rather average. I didn't have a good feeling about him ever since. I was hoping he was just clowning around, since the knicks picked him up in the draft a month later. It's obvious he was selected too high.

I give Walsh a Mulligan for that draft. He was having health issues and really seemed unsure about what to do. He sounded like he was let down by his staff who he obviously had to lean on more cuz he was not well versed on the draft class. You could see how much more on top of things he got after that. It happens to the best of them.

VDesai wrote:Sky is the limit for Shumpert. I am really excited about this guy. I think he's got the stuff to be a great guard in this league- we got a steal.

One of the steals of the 1st round, along with Marshon Brooks and Norris Cole. Jorts by far the steal of the 2nd round.

          min	   fgm-a   3pm-a      ftm-a	Rebs	ast	st	to	pts
Shumpert  34:53	   7-13	   0-2	      2-2	6	4	3	3	16

I like that he's been letting the game come to him.

nixluva wrote:Rubio in a loss tonight.

          min	   fgm-a   3pm-a      ftm-a	Rebs	ast	st	to	pts
Shumpert  34:53	   7-13	   0-2	      2-2	6	4	3	3	16
Rubio	  29:30    2-9	   1-2	      5-7	4	6	3       2	10

I'll go you one better:

First five games of career:

D Wade 11.4ppg 3.4rpg 4.0apg 1.0spg

Shumpert 13.2ppg 4.0rpg 3.4apg 2.2spg

here's to small sample sizes.

martin wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:Rubio in a loss tonight.

          min	   fgm-a   3pm-a      ftm-a	Rebs	ast	st	to	pts
Shumpert  34:53	   7-13	   0-2	      2-2	6	4	3	3	16
Rubio	  29:30    2-9	   1-2	      5-7	4	6	3       2	10

I'll go you one better:

First five games of career:

D Wade 11.4ppg 3.4rpg 4.0apg 1.0spg

Shumpert 13.2ppg 4.0rpg 3.4apg 2.2spg

here's to small sample sizes.

who cramped more?

ironically, wade didn't get a win until his 5th game... when he played lebron for the first time.

nixluva wrote:I give Iman points for being sort of the Knicks MVP. They really can't do it without him. How's that for impact?

you could say the same for melo or tyson or amar'e. he's part of the team. and a big important part. geez and gravy, man. we all like iman. it doesn't mean he's won ROY yet. you know, i compared him to Wade somewhat jokingly... but Wade didn't win ROY his first season. Ricky Rubio did.

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:I give Iman points for being sort of the Knicks MVP. They really can't do it without him. How's that for impact?

you could say the same for melo or tyson or amar'e. he's part of the team. and a big important part. geez and gravy, man. we all like iman. it doesn't mean he's won ROY yet. you know, i compared him to Wade somewhat jokingly... but Wade didn't win ROY his first season. Ricky Rubio did.

I can honestly say that Iman plays a KEY role on this team right now. He's not the best player but he's the most important cog in the machine. Minus a healthy Davis, Iman is the most important guy we have. STAT, Melo and Tyson are the stars, but Iman is the straw that stirs the drink. Unless you disagree and want to see TD back in there to prove your position. Oh and by the way Iman had the highest +/- today for the Knicks.

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

martin wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:Rubio is far ahead of everyone right now that this is pointless

it's too early in the season to call it pointless (and nominate a ROY lock)?

"right now"

It can be revisited if someone starts competing.

I think you underestimate the attention Iman is gonna get being the starting PG for the Knicks. We're gonna have a lot of National TV games and with that spotlight and wins it could raise his profile a lot.

Rubio today:

13 points, 14 assists 6 rebounds

when Shump starts having games like that, first, I will be esctatic second we can put him in the mix

he did, against that same team: 10 points, 7 assits, 5 steals.

AND SHump can actually defend two positions..

Rubio... doesn't defend..

By Ian Begley
Iman Shumpert's making Mike D'Antoni look like a very smart man.

Monday night's win over the Bobcats provided even more evidence that D'Antoni and his staff made the right call when they inserted Shumpert at point guard.

The 21-year-old was electric against Charlotte, finishing with 16 points, six rebounds and four assists.

But Shumpert's most important contribution was something that's tough to quantify, but impossible to ignore -- his energy is becoming contagious.

"We've been feeding off of him, feeding off of his energy," Carmelo Anthony said. "We want to continute to do that."

That shouldn't be a problem.

If what he's shown over the past two games is any indication, Shumpert will be the Knicks' starting point guard for the foreseeable future -- or at least until Baron Davis returns from injury.

"He's playing with a lot of confidence and obviously when he's rolling we're a lot better," Mike D'Antoni said.

Obviously.

Shumpert is a combined +28 in the last three games, most of which he played in place of Douglas.

The rookie seems at ease running an offense; he has impeccable court vision and plays with an overall aggressiveness that was lacking from Douglas.

"He's not afraid, that's for sure," D'Antoni said after the Knicks improved to 4-1 with Shumpert in the lineup. "He's just a big guard with a lot of confidence."

On Monday night, he made a tangible impact on both ends of the floor.

In the first quarter, Shumpert fed Landry Fields for an alley-oop dunk as the Knicks climbed out of a 10-0 hole.

Minutes later, he put an electrifying exclamation point on an alley-oop from Tyson Chandler. Midway through the second, he stole the ball from Boris Diaw and finished with a driving dunk as Diaw approached from behind.

"We need that," Tyson Chandler said of Shumpert's aggressive play.

It wasn't all good for Shumpert on Monday though.

His first pass ended up in the third row; he left D.J. Augustin wide open on a 3-pointer that tied the game at 82-82 with three minutes to go.

Also, for the second time in four games, Shumpert left the game early due to cramps.

Afterward, he said they were the byproduct of missing nine days with a sprained right MCL.

"I've been logging a lot of minutes," Shumpert said.

That's something that he should get used to. Because it's been working awfully well for the Knicks.