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nykshaknbake
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1/5/2012  11:00 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
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nixluva wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:The minimum expectations with this roster is 2nd round of playoffs lose in a competitive series. Most NBA coaches should achieve that with this roster. So unless you think MDA will have us over the Bulls or Heat I'm not sure how much crow there is to feed. Every NBA team is different and has its challenges. MDA has not been handed a ****ty roster! I'm sorry but he defeintly doesn't have the biggest challenge in the NBA. There are teams with new rosters every year that come out and do very well. Sometimes even better than the old rosters(gasp!)

No one said that MDA has a bad roster. All that anyone has said is that we don't have a PG right now. With this roster a good PG is EXTREMELY important. Most of the players we have rely on a PG to set them up. Some teams have more players that can create their own shots. Early on the team lacks chemistry on Defense and Offense. Some teams will jump out to a good start and then falter and some teams will start slow and be very good at the end.

My main point is that things will eventually stabilize and with a bit of luck Davis will be able to get healthy and then it's a different team if he can regain his normal level of play. 60 more games to go and I'm saying that the coach will be able to get this team going and playing at a higher level.

So how many games do we wait? If the next 20-25 games the knicks stink, what do we do? I know you believe in MDA and I respect that but nobody is safe when a team is faltering.


According to the apologists, you have to give it at least one to two seasons after every major change. If you're not getting results after 3/4 season then its the players and you have to make major changes. - which is another way of saying that you have to wait forever.

Careful, using that language. I said something like that and I was called a Limbaugh zombie and what was wrong with America! I made an addendum to your post.
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1/6/2012  9:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/6/2012  9:38 AM
Coach is like contractor - he build the house from materials given to him and according to the blueprint.
get building blocks which cannot feet together and blueprint is done by Dolan/Isiah genius designer band.
If he will be able to make this scrap watchable and reach 50% wins clip it will be another coaching miracle.
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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1/6/2012  1:44 PM
arkrud wrote:Coach is like contractor - he build the house from materials given to him and according to the blueprint.
get building blocks which cannot feet together and blueprint is done by Dolan/Isiah genius designer band.
If he will be able to make this scrap watchable and reach 50% wins clip it will be another coaching miracle.

2 superstars, a very good player in CHandler and possible Davis and it's a miracle at 0.500? When was the 1st coaching miracle? By this standard Wilkens was a apostle casting out demons and Isiah was pretty good too. With this standard it's raining quail in about half the teams in the NBA.
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1/6/2012  3:33 PM
The team has a good talent level even if it's not very deep. The only issue is TD and Fields have been putrid as starters and the defense has been lost. Defense is fixable, but I don't know about TD and Fields being successful. In time we may see Davis and Shump in the starting lineup. In any event this team should be doing better than this given the talent it has right now. Now if we're talking a healthy Davis then that's a different story. The team jumps another level with a healthy Davis, so keep fingers crossed.
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1/6/2012  4:09 PM
nykshaknbake wrote:
arkrud wrote:Coach is like contractor - he build the house from materials given to him and according to the blueprint.
get building blocks which cannot feet together and blueprint is done by Dolan/Isiah genius designer band.
If he will be able to make this scrap watchable and reach 50% wins clip it will be another coaching miracle.

2 superstars, a very good player in CHandler and possible Davis and it's a miracle at 0.500? When was the 1st coaching miracle? By this standard Wilkens was a apostle casting out demons and Isiah was pretty good too. With this standard it's raining quail in about half the teams in the NBA.

You want SSOL coach to work with 2 ISO players and defensive center without shooters and PG, and without bench.
How this suppose to work?

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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1/6/2012  4:11 PM
arkrud wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
arkrud wrote:Coach is like contractor - he build the house from materials given to him and according to the blueprint.
get building blocks which cannot feet together and blueprint is done by Dolan/Isiah genius designer band.
If he will be able to make this scrap watchable and reach 50% wins clip it will be another coaching miracle.

2 superstars, a very good player in CHandler and possible Davis and it's a miracle at 0.500? When was the 1st coaching miracle? By this standard Wilkens was a apostle casting out demons and Isiah was pretty good too. With this standard it's raining quail in about half the teams in the NBA.

You want SSOL coach to work with 2 ISO players and defensive center without shooters and PG, and without bench.
How this suppose to work?

Yes. I want a coach to coach based on the summary of his parts/players not style. A good coach can adapt ala Pat Riley
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1/6/2012  4:11 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/6/2012  4:12 PM
nixluva wrote:The team has a good talent level even if it's not very deep. The only issue is TD and Fields have been putrid as starters and the defense has been lost. Defense is fixable, but I don't know about TD and Fields being successful. In time we may see Davis and Shump in the starting lineup. In any event this team should be doing better than this given the talent it has right now. Now if we're talking a healthy Davis then that's a different story. The team jumps another level with a healthy Davis, so keep fingers crossed.


You are putting to much fate in the bird Nix...
He is not a savor. Never was, never will be.
You need to let it go and jump off Mike bandwagon. It is over...
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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1/6/2012  4:16 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
arkrud wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
arkrud wrote:Coach is like contractor - he build the house from materials given to him and according to the blueprint.
get building blocks which cannot feet together and blueprint is done by Dolan/Isiah genius designer band.
If he will be able to make this scrap watchable and reach 50% wins clip it will be another coaching miracle.

2 superstars, a very good player in CHandler and possible Davis and it's a miracle at 0.500? When was the 1st coaching miracle? By this standard Wilkens was a apostle casting out demons and Isiah was pretty good too. With this standard it's raining quail in about half the teams in the NBA.

You want SSOL coach to work with 2 ISO players and defensive center without shooters and PG, and without bench.
How this suppose to work?

Yes. I want a coach to coach based on the summary of his parts/players not style. A good coach can adapt ala Pat Riley

No objection to this. But Mike is not Pat...
He has his system which works fine with specific players.
Why he would go the hard way and twist himself here in NY.
What the point for him and for us?
We stuck with this players so now we need to find coach which can maximize their skills.
And as Mike is in last year this should not be an issue.

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
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1/6/2012  4:19 PM
arkrud wrote:
nixluva wrote:The team has a good talent level even if it's not very deep. The only issue is TD and Fields have been putrid as starters and the defense has been lost. Defense is fixable, but I don't know about TD and Fields being successful. In time we may see Davis and Shump in the starting lineup. In any event this team should be doing better than this given the talent it has right now. Now if we're talking a healthy Davis then that's a different story. The team jumps another level with a healthy Davis, so keep fingers crossed.


You are putting to much fate in the bird Nix...
He is not a savor. Never was, never will be.
You need to let it go and jump off Mike bandwagon. It is over...

+10000

Baron Davis Really? Is that our savior? Maybe the plan was all about him all along. And what if he fails in the system or gets hurt or ...? What do we do then? Just sit on a new excuse? Maybe it is the GM's fault but a coach must deal with the hand(s) he is dealt and if that does not work out it really sux for him but dems da breaks. There's no crying in basketball (though MDA was really close last night).

EVEN IF EXCUSES ARE PARTIALLY VALID, THEY ARE NOT OPEN ENDED. NOT FOR HIM NOT FOR ANYONE.
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1/6/2012  5:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/6/2012  5:30 PM
Well a good coach would adapt to his roster. You use a system that maximizes your roster. Off the top of my head, I don't even think Coughlin's a great coach but the running game was crap all season, so we are a pass oriented Giants team because of that and Eli's ascendence. Maybe you post up Melo run some off the ball screens to get people open. Instead of 4 guys sitting at the 3 point line taking 30+ 3s because we don't have Steve Nash. How's that sound?

arkrud wrote:
nykshaknbake wrote:
arkrud wrote:Coach is like contractor - he build the house from materials given to him and according to the blueprint.
get building blocks which cannot feet together and blueprint is done by Dolan/Isiah genius designer band.
If he will be able to make this scrap watchable and reach 50% wins clip it will be another coaching miracle.

2 superstars, a very good player in CHandler and possible Davis and it's a miracle at 0.500? When was the 1st coaching miracle? By this standard Wilkens was a apostle casting out demons and Isiah was pretty good too. With this standard it's raining quail in about half the teams in the NBA.

You want SSOL coach to work with 2 ISO players and defensive center without shooters and PG, and without bench.
How this suppose to work?
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1/6/2012  5:37 PM
mrKnickShot wrote:
arkrud wrote:
nixluva wrote:The team has a good talent level even if it's not very deep. The only issue is TD and Fields have been putrid as starters and the defense has been lost. Defense is fixable, but I don't know about TD and Fields being successful. In time we may see Davis and Shump in the starting lineup. In any event this team should be doing better than this given the talent it has right now. Now if we're talking a healthy Davis then that's a different story. The team jumps another level with a healthy Davis, so keep fingers crossed.


You are putting to much fate in the bird Nix...
He is not a savor. Never was, never will be.
You need to let it go and jump off Mike bandwagon. It is over...

+10000

Baron Davis Really? Is that our savior? Maybe the plan was all about him all along. And what if he fails in the system or gets hurt or ...? What do we do then? Just sit on a new excuse? Maybe it is the GM's fault but a coach must deal with the hand(s) he is dealt and if that does not work out it really sux for him but dems da breaks. There's no crying in basketball (though MDA was really close last night).

EVEN IF EXCUSES ARE PARTIALLY VALID, THEY ARE NOT OPEN ENDED. NOT FOR HIM NOT FOR ANYONE.

It's really silly to have this discussion after just 6 games. Team struggled last year and got it together. This year will be no different.

As for B. Diddy, if he's healthy he's gonna be a huge improvement. I have no concerns about him as a player, cuz the dude can play, even at this age. Did you guys not see him play last year? Dude still managed to put up 13/7 with an awful Cavs team. What do you think he'd do here under MDA? I don't believe any real BB fan that has ever seen Davis when he's motivated would have anything bad to say about his talent. Dude is a beast. I hear Davis is coming along fine so far.

MDA may not be the best coach in the world, but he's gonna show you guys something if he gets a PG that can actually execute his plays. I believe a healthy Davis will be able to do that. MDA with a real PG is scary. NY hasn't seen that yet, which is why I get so angry with fans bashing him when they know he's had some lame PG's except for Felton who was a decent PG. He was NEVER an All Star like Davis.
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