NYKBocker wrote:I did not think calling Iman an untouchable was going to create 2.5 pages of discussion. Wow. So people really don't mind selling the farm to get another player? What am I talking about? of course they don't care. Tell me, say we do get CP3 at all cost and end up with just Stat, Melo and CP3. How are you going to replenish the roster? You still have a problem with a defensive/rebounding center. You will have problems guarding the perimeter.
Keeping Iman would at least answer 1 problem.
Also, what happens if 1 of the big 3 gets hurt? how about 2 of them?
I totally agree. Iman, could be one of our steps at becoming a good defensive team. If he has the ability to run the PG, his athleticism, and size would cause another mismatch on both ends of the court. While we still need a couple of positions to become contenders, with the priority being a good center.
That is what we need without a doubt. Cp3, is a luxury that we can't afford to have. Donnie built a nice core of young players through the draft and knew he had to sign 2 players to add to the core. That was his plan, he failed on the Lebron sweepstakes but he was on the right path. At the price we payed, we didn't need Melo and we don't need Cp3 either.
We a center and that should have been our priority. Tyson Chandler is a legit 7/1 footer with long wingspan. He doesn't jump or need to, he deflect, or alter a shot.
After the Melo trade, with the price we payed, we lost assets in players, draft picks, cap space, and most importantly the flexibility and limited options.
The flexibility to look for the sign FA's, and/or trade with our assets,and to keep good players with our depth was very crucial.
Pre Melo Knicks
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Felton
Wilson Chandler 3m qualifying offer/ we could sign and trade him/ trade him as an expiring/ or let him walk for more money to spend on FA
Gallo
Amare
Mosgov
Turiaf
Shump
TD
Fields
AR
Walker
Brown
Jorts
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about 47-48m
we didn't have to resign Walker, Brown, Jorts which would bring us down
combine for a salary of about $47-48 million. With Wilson Chandler having a qualifying offer at $3.1 million.
We also gave up 2 GS 2nd round picks (almost as good as a late 1st rounder), 1 or 2 1st rounders, a lot of salary cap, and most importantly the flexibility.
Meaning, we could trade for players or sign them out right with our salary.
I had my eyes on Tyson Chandler for many years. If you throw him in that lineup, we would have a pretty sick defensive team, plenty of young players, and a nice balanced roster.
I truly believe, the addition of Tyson Chandler would make us Eastern conference contenders, we could be anywhere from the top of the East to 3rd at worse.
Miami
Chicago
Orlando
Atlanta
Philly
We could look for minimum deals to add a shooter and a backup PF/C. We can create room too, we can acquire draft picks, and not to mention possibly even using the Amnesty clause on Turiaf, but its could easily move our assets to lower salary cap with these assets.
Felton
Gallo or Wilson Chandler
Fields
AR
FA
If Melo made it to FA, if he is really wants to play in New York he will have to come at about $15-16m range, if we let Wilson Chandler walk or trade him for a future pick.
Tyson Chandler can be obtained, he want's to show his defensive presence can make in huge impact in the league. He want's to show his importance to a team. And players like to join teams in which they can feel their importance and play a team concept. The addition of Brown to the coaching staff, could change the perception of the Knicks in terms of adding a center. They can sell the idea of finishing the idea to being the leader of the defense in New York.
If not we can still get a pretty good player in Nene.
Or go after
Samuel Dalembert
Kris Humphries
while keeping Wilson Chandler with the qualifying offer and let teams call our bluff or not or have the ability to resign him.
Deandre Jordan RFA
Matt Gasol RFA
in next summer
McGee RFA
Hibbert RFA
Bynum (player option)
with the addition of Shumpert, Felton becomes expendable. We could use the assets above to trade for player. Whether Wilson Chandler(sign and trade) or Gallo which has more value.
That is a pretty nice package even without throwing in picks yet. If we sign Tyson Chandler Nene or whoever, we could go for Cp3 or Dwight Howard. This flexibility to go so many directions with all these assets. We could wait till deadline and use our FA acquired for Dwight and Gilbert, then amnesty Areana's contract.
Flexibility
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Felton 7.5 Dwight Howard 17.9
Gallo 5.5 Gilbert Areanas 19.27 are there any teams willing and capable to eat his salary and take a loss of 60+ million?
Turiaf 4.4
AR 3
Mosgov 2.5
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22.4m 37.17m
W Chandler 3 QO/or sign trade
Tyson Chandler/FA 10-12m we don't have to give our 2nd rounders guaranteed contracts. We also didn't have to keep Walker or Derrick Brown
we still have Walker, Brown, in which we didn't have to keep. To be able to sign a FA. Amnesty Turiaf is an option which allows us to resign Wilson Chandler too.
not to mention the salaries of
TD 1.15
Fields .8
Rautins .8
Shumpert 1.7
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Jorts .7
Jerome Jordan .7
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2nd rounders don't have guaranteed contracts
We still have 1st round draft picks, GS 2nd rounders, players that can be traded for draft picks.
Donnie knew he lost all these options and flexibility with the Melo trade. He is a professional and didn't bad mouth Dolan and just ate it.
I am bringing all this talk about Melo because Cp3 is following the same steps as him. I don't want another year of distraction. If you are serious about heading to New York
in FA at a lower salary, make New Orleans call your bluff. Don't say stuff like, I want to New Orleans to get back a good trade. At this point I would rather look to sign
a FA center with the MLE and shut all these rumors down. As long as our MLE center produces, he would be an asset. If there is a trade, we can use him in it, if not, we move on.
If we do trade for Cp3, a core of
Cp3
Melo
Amare
will be lacking starters and a bench. It honestly isn't capable of defending Miami without an addition of their MLE. This core makes us tied to 3 players with max salaries
leaving no draft picks and only the MLE to acquire one position every year.
Who will be guarding the Derrick Rose, Lebron, Wade, WestBrook, Durant, Kobe, John Wall, and who can we possibly get at center?
A pre Melo Knicks with addition of a quality center is way better, and a balance/deep roster.
Cp3
Melo
Amare
That "big 3 core" and nothing else might not even be better than Atlanta, Philly, Pacers, right now, and they all still have room to improve.
With the Amnesty clause, I don't see how we can attract players over many teams
Bulls(Deng)
Thunder(under the cap)
Dallas
Lakers
If Knick's are willing to eat Gilbert's contract, and part with Amare or Melo, they can add up enough salary to trade for Dwight and Gilbert(amnesty)
Keep Shumpert
would also like to keep TD
Those salaries would combine to 43-45million range. And we can look to finish out the roster in the summer.
I would say NO to New Orleans
see if Orlando can get a better offer than
Amare or Melo- which can be retraded for good value.
while amnestying Gilbert's contract. Since we would have to Amnesty Gilbert, before the season starts I believe, throw this offer to him right now!
