Teams can't just legislate their way to profitability! They're gonna have to make good BB decisions.

nixluva wrote:Can't really compare NBA to other sports in that just 1 or 2 players make so much of a difference in the NBA! It's players that have the greatest effect on a franchise in the NBA! Just imagine how much better things would be without the animosity? The small Mkt owners are fools to go so hard against the players when it's those very players that can help save them in the end.

Teams can't just legislate their way to profitability! They're gonna have to make good BB decisions.

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tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:Can't really compare NBA to other sports in that just 1 or 2 players make so much of a difference in the NBA! It's players that have the greatest effect on a franchise in the NBA! Just imagine how much better things would be without the animosity? The small Mkt owners are fools to go so hard against the players when it's those very players that can help save them in the end.

Teams can't just legislate their way to profitability! They're gonna have to make good BB decisions.

and the players are going to have to live up to their responsibilities as well... good BB decisions, that is so overused... but you know what, they are making a start of it now... radical system and BRI changes... lets get it done!!

Teams like the Magic make these big trades that are nothing more than expensive lateral moves. The Knicks were the poster boy franchise for bad decisions so how can u say it's overused?

The moves that the owners are making now may end up no better than the last CBA!!! The reason is that they don't address the core issue. The core problem with the league is that the teams can't all be great at the same time. There aren't enough superstars to go around but if you have robust revenue sharing it can help teams survive down turns. Then they have to give bad teams more
Picks which can help them rebuild on the cheap so they can turn a profit.

They also need to address wasteful spending by franchises. No one gets to see how teams run their business to see if it's efficient and frugal. I bet there
Is a lot of waste and perhAps they could use modern advertising via social networks to save some money.

unfortunately for us, our dumb owner can make bad move after bad move and still make money.. if left up to dolan that idiot would still keep the same old CBA deal... again, he doesn't care.. knicks make money.. so really all of this bad business move talk really doesn't highlight the problem with the small market teams, a lot of them are run well and still can't turn a profit... especialy with large market teams driving up prices for marginal players....

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nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:Can't really compare NBA to other sports in that just 1 or 2 players make so much of a difference in the NBA! It's players that have the greatest effect on a franchise in the NBA! Just imagine how much better things would be without the animosity? The small Mkt owners are fools to go so hard against the players when it's those very players that can help save them in the end.

Teams can't just legislate their way to profitability! They're gonna have to make good BB decisions.

and the players are going to have to live up to their responsibilities as well... good BB decisions, that is so overused... but you know what, they are making a start of it now... radical system and BRI changes... lets get it done!!

Teams like the Magic make these big trades that are nothing more than expensive lateral moves. The Knicks were the poster boy franchise for bad decisions so how can u say it's overused?

The moves that the owners are making now may end up no better than the last CBA!!! The reason is that they don't address the core issue. The core problem with the league is that the teams can't all be great at the same time. There aren't enough superstars to go around but if you have robust revenue sharing it can help teams survive down turns. Then they have to give bad teams more
Picks which can help them rebuild on the cheap so they can turn a profit.

They also need to address wasteful spending by franchises. No one gets to see how teams run their business to see if it's efficient and frugal. I bet there
Is a lot of waste and perhAps they could use modern advertising via social networks to save some money.

unfortunately for us, our dumb owner can make bad move after bad move and still make money.. if left up to dolan that idiot would still keep the same old CBA deal... again, he doesn't care.. knicks make money.. so really all of this bad business move talk really doesn't highlight the problem with the small market teams, a lot of them are run well and still can't turn a profit... especialy with large market teams driving up prices for marginal players....

You know the old system before the owners out major limits on salaries teams paid the top players more but they turned a profit! The reason is that if you has a star you could afford to pay hI'm and you didn't overpay the lesser players. So it was the owners fault when they created these MLE and LLE and out a ceiling on the top players. The owners artificially raised the level of pay for the mediocre and poor players! When Jordan was making 33 mil it worked cuz the money went to the top player and if you lost him you weren't left with a team full of overpaid mediocre players that don't draw fans!!!

Looh at how much the Knicks paid for horrid teams or how much the Magic are paying for a non title team now! All of this was the result of owner imposed rules. Now the owners are at it again and who knows what the results will be! I do know they want a league that is flat, where the best players are equally spread to each team and no team has two superstars!
I don't know if that will work.

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:Can't really compare NBA to other sports in that just 1 or 2 players make so much of a difference in the NBA! It's players that have the greatest effect on a franchise in the NBA! Just imagine how much better things would be without the animosity? The small Mkt owners are fools to go so hard against the players when it's those very players that can help save them in the end.

Teams can't just legislate their way to profitability! They're gonna have to make good BB decisions.

and the players are going to have to live up to their responsibilities as well... good BB decisions, that is so overused... but you know what, they are making a start of it now... radical system and BRI changes... lets get it done!!

Teams like the Magic make these big trades that are nothing more than expensive lateral moves. The Knicks were the poster boy franchise for bad decisions so how can u say it's overused?

The moves that the owners are making now may end up no better than the last CBA!!! The reason is that they don't address the core issue. The core problem with the league is that the teams can't all be great at the same time. There aren't enough superstars to go around but if you have robust revenue sharing it can help teams survive down turns. Then they have to give bad teams more
Picks which can help them rebuild on the cheap so they can turn a profit.

They also need to address wasteful spending by franchises. No one gets to see how teams run their business to see if it's efficient and frugal. I bet there
Is a lot of waste and perhAps they could use modern advertising via social networks to save some money.

unfortunately for us, our dumb owner can make bad move after bad move and still make money.. if left up to dolan that idiot would still keep the same old CBA deal... again, he doesn't care.. knicks make money.. so really all of this bad business move talk really doesn't highlight the problem with the small market teams, a lot of them are run well and still can't turn a profit... especialy with large market teams driving up prices for marginal players....

You know the old system before the owners out major limits on salaries teams paid the top players more but they turned a profit! The reason is that if you has a star you could afford to pay hI'm and you didn't overpay the lesser players. So it was the owners fault when they created these MLE and LLE and out a ceiling on the top players. The owners artificially raised the level of pay for the mediocre and poor players! When Jordan was making 33 mil it worked cuz the money went to the top player and if you lost him you weren't left with a team full of overpaid mediocre players that don't draw fans!!!

Looh at how much the Knicks paid for horrid teams or how much the Magic are paying for a non title team now! All of this was the result of owner imposed rules. Now the owners are at it again and who knows what the results will be! I do know they want a league that is flat, where the best players are equally spread to each team and no team has two superstars!
I don't know if that will work.

NAH, THAT IS somewhat flawed thinking.. jordan made 30 mil his last two years of his contract.. he was grossly underpaid before then. But on the flipside, look at what Garnetts ridiculously large deal did for the wolves.. they could not add a good team around him... there has to be a ceiling, but I do agree that the true star players should make much more than the middle tier guys for sure... The owners tried to remedy that and appease the players by bringing in the MLE and LLE, over time, we now see the problem, so the owners need to adjust again.. I think some of you guys are thinking.. well if the owners made a mistake before, they should continue living with the mistake in order for players to continue making more money than they should? that really doesn't make sense... not at all, just admit, the animosity towards the owners have clouded a lot of thinking... the owners have to fix this mess, the players don't want it fixed because it means that the wealth transfer system will be scaled back a bit.....but you have to think of the health of the league first....

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Nalod wrote:

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:Can't really compare NBA to other sports in that just 1 or 2 players make so much of a difference in the NBA! It's players that have the greatest effect on a franchise in the NBA! Just imagine how much better things would be without the animosity? The small Mkt owners are fools to go so hard against the players when it's those very players that can help save them in the end.

Teams can't just legislate their way to profitability! They're gonna have to make good BB decisions.

and the players are going to have to live up to their responsibilities as well... good BB decisions, that is so overused... but you know what, they are making a start of it now... radical system and BRI changes... lets get it done!!

Teams like the Magic make these big trades that are nothing more than expensive lateral moves. The Knicks were the poster boy franchise for bad decisions so how can u say it's overused?

The moves that the owners are making now may end up no better than the last CBA!!! The reason is that they don't address the core issue. The core problem with the league is that the teams can't all be great at the same time. There aren't enough superstars to go around but if you have robust revenue sharing it can help teams survive down turns. Then they have to give bad teams more
Picks which can help them rebuild on the cheap so they can turn a profit.

They also need to address wasteful spending by franchises. No one gets to see how teams run their business to see if it's efficient and frugal. I bet there
Is a lot of waste and perhAps they could use modern advertising via social networks to save some money.

Magic are pandering to Dwights insistance the team surround him with "winning" or he will leave. Sound familiar? These guys say its about winning but its usually about money or other aspirations.

Nothing wrong with a player wanting to be a fashion desisgner or movies star but it does create a problem. Its not always a teams "fault", sometimes its the circumstances.

Turkeyglue, Arenas and Rashard are Not championship pieces. Neither is Dwight until he can hit a foul shot.

Solution? Maybe franchise tag with a trade clause. Player makes a list of 7 teams he'd approve with an immeadiate extension clause if he gets traded so he is bound to that team. This prevents a Melo type of extortion from happening. In Cleveland Lebron would have been tagged and been forced to deal with a trade. I think a player wanting the city of his choice, Money and "WINNING" can't occur. I think players are using "winning" as an excuse to leave.

Melo didn't leave Denver to WIN in NYC. Lebron left to colude with superfriends.

Contracts do end and Lebron had a right to test the FA Mkt. Melo may have wanted out of Denver but he didn't go on strike or stop playing hard so he didn't force his way out! Denver decided to get value for him rather than let him walk. I fail to see how this hurt Denver given they got the best value possible. The Cavs, Raptors and Nuggets tried to build title teams before they reached free agency but once they lost it was time to deal with the results. Those teams weren't going to win a title and had no more moves left to get there so in the end a reset was good for the franchise and the player.

I agree with you nix on that.. contracts end,and the player has a right to leave, and the same goes with a player a team does not want, they are not forced to resign him.. I think the NBA should do what baseball does to some degree or tweak it... a team should be able to tag their franchise player, so that if another team signs him, they can either give that team a draft pick, first round pick or give the team an option to swap picks, top 5 protected.... just think is that really going to stop a team from signing that player? of course not, but the team losing a star at least gets some kind of compensation...

Then again, why should a team be penalized for signing a free agent? hahaha

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Nalod wrote:

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:Can't really compare NBA to other sports in that just 1 or 2 players make so much of a difference in the NBA! It's players that have the greatest effect on a franchise in the NBA! Just imagine how much better things would be without the animosity? The small Mkt owners are fools to go so hard against the players when it's those very players that can help save them in the end.

Teams can't just legislate their way to profitability! They're gonna have to make good BB decisions.

and the players are going to have to live up to their responsibilities as well... good BB decisions, that is so overused... but you know what, they are making a start of it now... radical system and BRI changes... lets get it done!!

Teams like the Magic make these big trades that are nothing more than expensive lateral moves. The Knicks were the poster boy franchise for bad decisions so how can u say it's overused?

The moves that the owners are making now may end up no better than the last CBA!!! The reason is that they don't address the core issue. The core problem with the league is that the teams can't all be great at the same time. There aren't enough superstars to go around but if you have robust revenue sharing it can help teams survive down turns. Then they have to give bad teams more
Picks which can help them rebuild on the cheap so they can turn a profit.

They also need to address wasteful spending by franchises. No one gets to see how teams run their business to see if it's efficient and frugal. I bet there
Is a lot of waste and perhAps they could use modern advertising via social networks to save some money.

Magic are pandering to Dwights insistance the team surround him with "winning" or he will leave. Sound familiar? These guys say its about winning but its usually about money or other aspirations.

Nothing wrong with a player wanting to be a fashion desisgner or movies star but it does create a problem. Its not always a teams "fault", sometimes its the circumstances.

Turkeyglue, Arenas and Rashard are Not championship pieces. Neither is Dwight until he can hit a foul shot.

Solution? Maybe franchise tag with a trade clause. Player makes a list of 7 teams he'd approve with an immeadiate extension clause if he gets traded so he is bound to that team. This prevents a Melo type of extortion from happening. In Cleveland Lebron would have been tagged and been forced to deal with a trade. I think a player wanting the city of his choice, Money and "WINNING" can't occur. I think players are using "winning" as an excuse to leave.

Melo didn't leave Denver to WIN in NYC. Lebron left to colude with superfriends.

Contracts do end and Lebron had a right to test the FA Mkt. Melo may have wanted out of Denver but he didn't go on strike or stop playing hard so he didn't force his way out! Denver decided to get value for him rather than let him walk. I fail to see how this hurt Denver given they got the best value possible. The Cavs, Raptors and Nuggets tried to build title teams before they reached free agency but once they lost it was time to deal with the results. Those teams weren't going to win a title and had no more moves left to get there so in the end a reset was good for the franchise and the player.

Denver did not get hurt. There was some weird aspects to it all. Melo had little leverage but it was almost implied that he get his extension if he agrees to a trade. He could have opted out and gone to NY which wouild have made us a title contender.

My point is that Denver got value in return and in a way this is kind of how I think the owners would like it to be. Dolan was generous as if the owners kind of had a gentlemans understanding. This is colusion to some extent.

I do think a player should get his freedom but understand the value lost on a franchise is a problem. Problem with Draft picks is the team recieveing the free agent should improve and that devalues the pick. Unless your Isiah and Eddy actually lowers your standing!