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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
![]() tkf wrote:jrodmc wrote:nixluva wrote:Let's step back a second. The problem is completely OWNER related. They have been the ones paying too much for mediocre talent. I'd point out that top players used to make MUCH more money in the previous CBA. Now the top players money has come down and the middle class players are making more. The Owners still do dumb things like pay Joe Johnson way too much. No matter what system you impose the dumb owners will make mistakes, which is all these changes over the years have been about. They're trying to make a foolproof system... for the owners!!! If you have such disdain for the players why do you even watch the games? The players are the league and just cuz you two are jealous that they get paid well doesn't change that. It's already been PROVEN that the players would get paid more in a free market. Perhaps you two missed the huge contracts that OWNERS paid to the top players in this league in the past! KG once made 28 mil, Shaq 29 mil and Jordan 33 mil. Salaries would no doubt be even higher now if they didn't put a cap on the max contract a player could sign. The players agreed to this so it's not like they haven't given the owners help in managing their own money. Just look at what the players agreed to in terms of give backs to the owners in last CBA: A. Length of Contracts So the players are yet again willing to give more money back to the owners. In what way have the players been wrong in regard to the leagues finances over the years. They're the ones who have conceded to give up what they already had. |
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
![]() nixluva wrote:tkf wrote:jrodmc wrote:nixluva wrote:Let's step back a second. The problem is completely OWNER related. They have been the ones paying too much for mediocre talent. I'd point out that top players used to make MUCH more money in the previous CBA. Now the top players money has come down and the middle class players are making more. The Owners still do dumb things like pay Joe Johnson way too much. No matter what system you impose the dumb owners will make mistakes, which is all these changes over the years have been about. They're trying to make a foolproof system... for the owners!!! Really, every NBA player should be making minimum wage. |
tkf
Posts: 36487 Alba Posts: 6 Joined: 8/13/2001 Member: #87 |
![]() nixluva wrote:tkf wrote:jrodmc wrote:nixluva wrote:Let's step back a second. The problem is completely OWNER related. They have been the ones paying too much for mediocre talent. I'd point out that top players used to make MUCH more money in the previous CBA. Now the top players money has come down and the middle class players are making more. The Owners still do dumb things like pay Joe Johnson way too much. No matter what system you impose the dumb owners will make mistakes, which is all these changes over the years have been about. They're trying to make a foolproof system... for the owners!!!
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser...............
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
![]() tkf wrote:nixluva wrote:tkf wrote:jrodmc wrote:nixluva wrote:Let's step back a second. The problem is completely OWNER related. They have been the ones paying too much for mediocre talent. I'd point out that top players used to make MUCH more money in the previous CBA. Now the top players money has come down and the middle class players are making more. The Owners still do dumb things like pay Joe Johnson way too much. No matter what system you impose the dumb owners will make mistakes, which is all these changes over the years have been about. They're trying to make a foolproof system... for the owners!!! TKF who pissed in your oatmeal??? What's with all the anger towards the players? In my post I listed the many concessions the players made in the last CBA and I could go back to the 1999 CBA too, but that's overkill. Now they're also giving ground again in this CBA negotiation. So how can you bash the players when over and over again they've been the ones to give money back to the owners? What are your grounds for having this attitude towards the one side of this business that has repeatedly given up more and more of the revenues in this business? |
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 2/2/2004 Member: #581 USA |
![]() tkf wrote:nixluva wrote:tkf wrote:jrodmc wrote:nixluva wrote:Let's step back a second. The problem is completely OWNER related. They have been the ones paying too much for mediocre talent. I'd point out that top players used to make MUCH more money in the previous CBA. Now the top players money has come down and the middle class players are making more. The Owners still do dumb things like pay Joe Johnson way too much. No matter what system you impose the dumb owners will make mistakes, which is all these changes over the years have been about. They're trying to make a foolproof system... for the owners!!! That sounds credible! |
Nalod
Posts: 71157 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
![]() nixluva wrote:tkf wrote:nixluva wrote:tkf wrote:jrodmc wrote:nixluva wrote:Let's step back a second. The problem is completely OWNER related. They have been the ones paying too much for mediocre talent. I'd point out that top players used to make MUCH more money in the previous CBA. Now the top players money has come down and the middle class players are making more. The Owners still do dumb things like pay Joe Johnson way too much. No matter what system you impose the dumb owners will make mistakes, which is all these changes over the years have been about. They're trying to make a foolproof system... for the owners!!! Maybe you need to look at average salaries pre and post 1999 then see who is making more and less. Players did not give up salary, they agreed to a % of revenue. After 12 years there are higher expenses that maybe 12 years ago was not anticipated. Owners made mistakes for sure but that does not make it ok to compound them. In fact they lived up to the contract but this is why deals expire. Players have CBA rights to go on strike if they perceived to have an inequitable deal. If something is broken you try to fix it. look at what dolan is paying to fix up the garden. No player is being asked to up the money but increased revenue will returned from the renovation. If revenue increased, the players will benefit. Lets not talk so fast about contraction. There are lots of people other than players and owners affected when you remove a franchise from a city. Arena employees are affected, vendors, local business', restaurants, taxi drivers, hotels, the people that work in the hotels, etc etc........15,000 to 20,000 people congregating for 3 hours is an economic event! |
jrodmc
Posts: 32927 Alba Posts: 50 Joined: 11/24/2004 Member: #805 USA |
![]() nixluva wrote:tkf wrote:nixluva wrote:tkf wrote:jrodmc wrote:nixluva wrote:Let's step back a second. The problem is completely OWNER related. They have been the ones paying too much for mediocre talent. I'd point out that top players used to make MUCH more money in the previous CBA. Now the top players money has come down and the middle class players are making more. The Owners still do dumb things like pay Joe Johnson way too much. No matter what system you impose the dumb owners will make mistakes, which is all these changes over the years have been about. They're trying to make a foolproof system... for the owners!!! nixluva, how long have you been drinking PLAYER'S piss? Seriously, you list concessions immediately after you list how PLAYERS are OVERPAID. So in your view, giving concessions after being OVERPAID is a true concession. |