This trade has a net gain of 0. Lose offensive talent in KVH, gain defense in Mohammed/Thomas. Free up some money. KVH was getting noticeably less time under Wilkens. Wasnt NY either.

I hope our defense/rebounding will imporove as much as you guys say it will. Because, otherwise, we dont gain anything and we might actually be losing in this trade. Tim Thomas does not match up to KVH. I only hope his defense compesates for his poor offensive game and abominable rebounding skills for a 6-10 guy.

Note: the pick included in the trade is a CONDITIONNAL pick.. more information to follow...

I'm kind of worried that we made Milwaukee much better in this deal. I just can't picture how Thomas is a better player than KVH in any facet of the game (perhaps a better shot blocker?). KVH scores more effectively from anywhere on the floor and is arguably just as athletic. Tim Thomas was plagued by some knee pain a few years back and hasn't played as "athletically" since (ie right after he signed the max deal).

I wonder if Isiah is planning on bring more "family" in the mix via trade, maybe trying to acquire "etan" from the wizards and maybe bringing back former Knicks 1st rounder, "john"...

Mohammed is an upgrade over Doleac, at least in the sense that he has potential as a 2nd tier starting center once the Knicks start phasing out Mutombo. Better defensively than Doleac? Doleac was effective as a 15mpg player and for stretches as a starter, but you might want more speed than pure heart as a starter. *shrug*

yea im having a lot of reservations about replacing van horn, who put up 30 a few games ago and can average 20 points a game, for tim thomas. we couldve just traded doleac for mohammed straight up. i guess we'll see how they play together, unless theres another trade in the making,which i seriously doubt. unless something stupid and useless like shandon anderson for lamond murray which is a wash of nobodies.

Posted by technomaster:

I'm kind of worried that we made Milwaukee much better in this deal. I just can't picture how Thomas is a better player than KVH in any facet of the game (perhaps a better shot blocker?). KVH scores more effectively from anywhere on the floor and is arguably just as athletic. Tim Thomas was plagued by some knee pain a few years back and hasn't played as "athletically" since (ie right after he signed the max deal).

I wonder if Isiah is planning on bring more "family" in the mix via trade, maybe trying to acquire "etan" from the wizards and maybe bringing back former Knicks 1st rounder, "john"...

Mohammed is an upgrade over Doleac, at least in the sense that he has potential as a 2nd tier starting center once the Knicks start phasing out Mutombo. Better defensively than Doleac? Doleac was effective as a 15mpg player and for stretches as a starter, but you might want more speed than pure heart as a starter. *shrug*

Techno I think you have it right re: Thomas and Van Horn. Plain and simple Van Horn is better. Van Horn actually averages slightly more steals and blocks this year. I'd hope that Thomas can stay with his man better than Van Horn, but I'm not certain about that because I've never played close attention to Thomas' defense. And offensively and rebounding wise, Van Horn's worst years are significantly better than Thomas' best. I do have to believe that Thomas is a stronger finisher than Van Horn however. Van Horn simply got blocked too many times.

I think you hit the nail right on the Head BigBlitz..
The key to this trade is balance...
This is not the slam dunk "we are now going all the way" trade some people unrealistically expect when the deadline looms... But it certainly sets up a more balance squad that still could use one more big name before making a serious run.. but.. we are on our way!

To tell you the truth, this trade absolutely took me by surprise.

Although Nazr cant pick and pop with stephon he would be able to pick and roll to the basket so i like this trade. The Van Horn for Tim Thomas trade im less enthusiastic about but like it nonetheless. I think a change of scenery is all Tim Thomas needs to breakout this season, he almost looked bored on the bucks.

It's too bad we couldn't pick up Desmond Mason somewhere along the way. I'd imagine he has some room to benefit in Milwaukee with Thomas gone.

While I've been negative so far about this trade, I remember when Tim Thomas was a top prospect heading into college. It's odd--- he has the potential to be everything that Lamar Odom is, but has never come close.

Here's the scouting report on Thomas from SI's 2003 NBA preview:
"The other scary thing is that they'll have to rely on Tim Thomas, who has the body of a star, the all-around skills of a star and the paycheck of a star -- but he isn't a star. Maybe it's because he had a hard time establishing himself in the company of Ray Allen, Sam Cassell and Glenn Robinson before they were all traded away, but it's also because Thomas prefers to play on the perimeter. If you bang him a couple of times, he'll lose his enthusiasm for putting it on the floor and taking it to the rim..."

"...That won't help much, because they'll be the worst defensive team in the league: Thomas and Toni Kukoc are bad, and Redd is a joke...."

Usenet Scouting Report, circa 1997:
http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/1997_draft/scout/pf.html#Thomas

Back then, the best case scenario looked like Kevin Garnett...
Worst Case scenario was Charles Smith-- as in THE KNICKS Charles Smith.