martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

RonRon wrote:I think I also would have taken Keith Benson over Jorts. I think Jorts might not even get drafted if we didn't take him.
At 220, it would be tough for him to play the center. He seems like he would help and use his length, speed, and athleticism to block shots, grab rebounds but probably wouldn't be able to guard a big body.

I definitely agreed with this on draft night. I think Jorts must have been very impressive at his workout. It does appear that he wasn't on the radar for anyone else.

how can you begin to fathom that without having a clue as to who the 10 or so teams wanted to draft after him?

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

RonRon wrote:I think I also would have taken Keith Benson over Jorts. I think Jorts might not even get drafted if we didn't take him.
At 220, it would be tough for him to play the center. He seems like he would help and use his length, speed, and athleticism to block shots, grab rebounds but probably wouldn't be able to guard a big body.

I definitely agreed with this on draft night. I think Jorts must have been very impressive at his workout. It does appear that he wasn't on the radar for anyone else.

how can you begin to fathom that without having a clue as to who the 10 or so teams wanted to draft after him?

I am just going by the analysis of the pick that I heard and read. Have you seen anything suggesting he was going to be picked by someone else?

never made the claim and I wouldn't cause it's too hard to tell what teams do late in round 2.

If folks think the first round is a crap shoot, then the second is like roulette.

Harrellson was matched up against Vucevic when they worked out for us. Who knows what they saw. MDA said he had a very good workout for us:

"He's a need, a big body," D'Antoni said. "He came in and had a very nice workout, showed he'll bang people around. Tough, big, had a nice touch shooting-wise, put the ball on the floor a bit. We knew he'd be in second round. A couple of scouts really liked him and thought maybe late first. We'll see if he can adapt to the NBA game. We think he has a chance a good chance."

I had Benson as one of my possibilities in the second, but maybe the Knicks saw him as another Jordan, and figured they would go with the guy who could mix it up down low.

From the MDA quote, if you believe him, you get the feeling that he may have been pleasantly surprised by Harrellson's offensive abilities. Maybe he is a Big Baby type guy for us- which would be a nice surprise.

I've come to like the pick and the kind of kid he seems to be. He may succeed in becoming a rotational player through sheer force of will and grit, which is not a bad thing to have on your team.

martin wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:From the MDA quote, if you believe him, you get the feeling that he may have been pleasantly surprised by Harrellson's offensive abilities. Maybe he is a Big Baby type guy for us- which would be a nice surprise.

I've come to like the pick and the kind of kid he seems to be. He may succeed in becoming a rotational player through sheer force of will and grit, which is not a bad thing to have on your team.

you know what, Big Baby might be a good comparison. Quick feet, banger, not long by any stretch, can hit a midrange. I read in a couple of different places that Josh has range to the college 3point line.

The big things Big Baby got going for himself is that he understands rotating and help defense, is a decent rebounder at the NBA level, and can hold his defensive position. If Josh can do those things, he will be a very good backup PF/C.

nixluva wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:obviously this story is a lie. Posters here established a long time ago MDA doesnt like guys who play D.

This guy might have some Raja Bell in him

Lol was just gonna say the same exact thing

That's the thing that has bugged the heck out of me all these years. Even right now, if this team had a dominant rebounding Big it would totally change how this team is perceived defensively. We STINK on the boards! Just imagine we give up fewer offensive rebounds to the other team. It would totally change this teams success rate. Now we go after a great young perimeter defender and people complain about his shooting? To me NY Fans are full of hypocrites.

All these years they've complained about MDA cuz he didn't fit the DEFENSE 1st NY history. Now the guy is the deciding vote to bring in a kid that is known for his defense and they complain? How many of us complained as we watched Rondo and Allen destroy us? Now we do something about it and people still complain.

AHHHH! The good old days back when Uptown and only a handful of us really believed in the Pick of Shumpert. People forget that MDA was the deciding vote for this kid. Now we've finally gotten to see him in action and he's pretty much what some of us thought he could be. I hope he has a very successful and long career here. People knocked MDA for picking Marcus Banks, but he doesn't seem to have been wrong this time. He made a similar pick for a similar reason. This time unlike Banks Shump seems to be the real deal.

nixluva wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:obviously this story is a lie. Posters here established a long time ago MDA doesnt like guys who play D.

This guy might have some Raja Bell in him

Lol was just gonna say the same exact thing

That's the thing that has bugged the heck out of me all these years. Even right now, if this team had a dominant rebounding Big it would totally change how this team is perceived defensively. We STINK on the boards! Just imagine we give up fewer offensive rebounds to the other team. It would totally change this teams success rate. Now we go after a great young perimeter defender and people complain about his shooting? To me NY Fans are full of hypocrites.

All these years they've complained about MDA cuz he didn't fit the DEFENSE 1st NY history. Now the guy is the deciding vote to bring in a kid that is known for his defense and they complain? How many of us complained as we watched Rondo and Allen destroy us? Now we do something about it and people still complain.

Yep, it's NY and this is what fans and the media do. They first they don't like someone and then they spin everything he does or doesn't do into evidence of his ineptitude. The xenophobia is strong in these parts.

CrushAlot wrote:

Kids like AR and Hill aren't made for success under this coach. You have to want to work and you have to have a good BB IQ. Smart players always do well under MDA. So that's what this team is going to end up having, cuz guys that don't cut it get weeded out. You many not appreciate that now, but when the team is playing at a high level you'll appreciate that approach. Iman is going to have to work hard just like anyone else and if he does I suspect he'll be successful.

One of the criticisms I have read about Shumpert is that he has a low b-ball iq. The criticism that keeps coming up in analysis of this pick that I have read is that Shumpert has always had incredible athleticism and is a workout wonder. His workouts are what moved him up to the first round. I hope that all of this assessment is wrong but those are the complaints about him. If you look at the coach and how he has worked with potential guys, guys whose biggest strengths were defense, weaknesses were decision making on offense, shot selection and their shot I think being cautious of your assessment of how he will do with D'Antoni is appropriate. He has praised and endorsed guys before that he quickly losses patience for.

This I agree with. MDA doesn't like players with low IQ. However MDA slap had to watch TD ruin his offense for two years and it must have felt like death by thousand cuts to him. If Shumpert keeps making passes and feeding the open man he will play.

Paladin55 wrote:

DJMUSIC wrote:

Paladin55 wrote:MDA might have disliked Singleton more than anything else, and that's why he went with Shumpert...

... or he saw that Shumpert might actually be able to hit those open 3s as well as defend.
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Typical D'Antoni
Mike dislikes anybody GOOD and likes the NBA guys like Chris Duhon, Tim Thomas, Jared Jeffries
Does one ever trusts ? D'Antoni to value or select talent coming into NBA ?

He is likely having Nightmares of losing his brother off coaching tandem on knickerbockers because Knicks are pressured to hire new Defensive a_ssistant coach which is Brother Dan D'Antoni we are told handles D' thus gus Dan D'Antoni is one that may not get extension OR his days are numbered
with having a knick job!

Guess

Simply meant that he might have seen limitations in Singleton's game or how he would fit in with the Knick, not that he really disliked his game.

In many ways, Singleton is a bigger version of Shumpert, but not large enough to really have an impact on the Knicks, since he is not a center, would not be allowed to take time from Amare and Anthony, and if folks wonder about Shumpert's offense, Singleton is hardly a polished offensive player at this point.

Other teams bypassed Singleton and Faried, so MDA is not the only one who didn't see the value of those two.

Don't see where the Shumpert pick is a stretch, especially after Vucevic was off the board, but I think they would have taken Shumpert over Vucevic, anyway.

That's why I was certain we weren't going to get Singleton.