Sangfroid wrote:

nixluva wrote:The one thing that we haven't seen is this coach running this team with a proper PG. THE MOST IMPORTANT position for what he wants to do. The closest we got was Felton and he had a ton of flaws but at least he was coming along. Felton IMO was a glimpse at what things could be like if you put a capable PG in this system. We need a QB and just think about how frustrating it was to watch TD come into games and basically run the offense into the ground! It was the best visual proof of how much of an impact it can have when you don't have a capable PG in there. Billups wasn't a great fit but when he was healthy you could see that it made an impact. Just think that was us going from an OK PG to a poor one. Imagine how good the team would look with a GOOD PG in there for 35 mins a game!!! We've got the weapons but no one at the trigger to make sure we fire straight and hit the target!!!

Then we also have the big hole at Center!!! If and when we actually fill those roster spots with capable players, I don't think there's any way this team isn't a big winner and going deep into the playoffs.

I would love to fill both needs thru free agency, Dalambert at the center spot and Sessions for PG. We could then scoop up two, maybe three picks in the draft. We're on our way

I'm pretty sure that Donnie saw how poor we were at PG and C during the playoffs and won't allow that to be a major weakness again.

nixluva wrote:The one thing that we haven't seen is this coach running this team with a proper PG. THE MOST IMPORTANT position for what he wants to do. The closest we got was Felton and he had a ton of flaws but at least he was coming along. Felton IMO was a glimpse at what things could be like if you put a capable PG in this system. We need a QB and just think about how frustrating it was to watch TD come into games and basically run the offense into the ground! It was the best visual proof of how much of an impact it can have when you don't have a capable PG in there. Billups wasn't a great fit but when he was healthy you could see that it made an impact. Just think that was us going from an OK PG to a poor one. Imagine how good the team would look with a GOOD PG in there for 35 mins a game!!! We've got the weapons but no one at the trigger to make sure we fire straight and hit the target!!!

Then we also have the big hole at Center!!! If and when we actually fill those roster spots with capable players, I don't think there's any way this team isn't a big winner and going deep into the playoffs.

DJMUSIC wrote:Those are good points Bip

Again I aint saying fire MDA, he'll have his Oct. 2011 full camp.

But he did endorse C.Duhon despite Marbury's wicked ways.
DUHON chosen PG starter for Knicks.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/knicks/item_QzBgj6nlPhIdMHc1Tv2sNK

Only thing I've ever agreed somewhat with coach Mike is Marbury and his attitudes
and stale 'me me me' had to go, outta NY. He (steph) was the last legit PG we had
to run an offense.

One gripe I had with coach Mike is when he was in Phoenix and took on S.Kerr (then pres/gm)
regarding the Shaq Oneal trade. Shaq came in stated "This is Steve Nash's team" & blended
better in 2nd season than 1st season. Shaq had more in his tank then left, recently retired 6/1

How can you have any issues with legit star Shaq O'neal ?
Oh I've forgot Mike D doesnt not like the slow down game O'Neal presents to his system & also
don't like BIGs period is word on street. Look that up, D'Antoni idea of a pivotman is B.Diaw
Marion Or likes of David Lee <tweener> since each can run the floor which is primary concern of
coach Mike D'Antoni. Doesnt care about post in paint game, too boring and not his wishes to run
a team built on banging and inside/ outside play.

Another gripe which led to D'Antoni departure was Phoenix wish to hire a defensive bench coach to
work for D'Antoni whom strongly opposed this. Thus he left OR was fired whom knows ? How can you
now let yourself hire a defensive coach is beyond me! Otherwise for D'Antoni devout love for Phil Webber
and his brother Dan D'Antoni which is most useful on OFFENSE and practically 125% useless on DEFENSE.
I'll leave Herb Williams outta this contention discussion

2 strikes for me da-DJ !
Look we as fans all gives this guy a chance, he is getting his chance. He got Amare and Melo whether he
likes it all OR not.

However this isnt the Europe league anymore where D'antoni won titles. Its not NBA Phoenix Sun-land where coach Mike
won many times over 50+ games , many playoff runs.

He's running his NY Knick business with same "un yielding ways" despite talent lacking which been
upgraded in last 2 yrs before big MELO trades and Amare FA signings.

Sure fans been rough on D'Antoni, maybe some unfair buts its NEWYORK. Torre was criticized & had 4 or so MLB titles.

Sure I Am not an D'Antoni fan. But when his contract is up nxt season coming about 2011/12 after next
it will be 5 yrs ?

I am very sorry I dont see D'Antoni adjusting to the "now" NBA and I think 5 yrs we will see what
Knicks do in next 1-2 yrs since D'Antoni will be here & isnt going anywhere. I am not impressed by
coach Mike. I am not shocked some players whom busted their tails said things private anonymously on
Mike. Seems like the players coach tag is Gone forever.

This man got to get some results in his contract yrs remaining.
He needs a defense coach and if he gonna refute that he will NOT win in NY nor get contract $extension he seeks to keep him happy.
D'Antoni doesnt seem to think he needs a specialist coach. Give Mike ready made guys like Ibaka OR KGarnett where he doesnt have
to fret on defender schemes then any of us can "coach" NY Knicks at that stage.

All in all Knicks are on rise, I agree with your points but I see Coach Mike D on his way out of here and that is more fact to me, We'd all be shocked if pieces were in place and this coach is the one whom will lead our NY Knicks ballclub to a eastern conf. championship game OR even playing in a final.

I've seen enough of Coach Mike D'Antoni and I'm expressing simply those views of many newyorkers & Knick fans abroad.
He's a nice guy but he hasnt always been FAN warm or friendly ..either long before any real criticism came.
Mike as_sted and helped Eddy "big" Curry tank and finish off his career when Eddy had some paint game, post moves and needed
confidence he wasn't ever ever ever gonna get from Mike D'Antoni's staff. Oh forgot D'Antoni do not like BIG Men as Nate McMillan
once stated to the press.

HOOPSWORLD
Nate McMillan on Mike D'Antoni during Basketball Olympics
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=7757

sincerley ..Chow

I don't disagree. I'm not a fan at all. I was raised on Riley and Van Gundy so D'Antoni drives me nuts. I think one more year is a very fair guage. He has to show continued substantial improvement or else he gets the heave ho. I'm actually now okay, with the new GM bringing in a a new coach that he is on the same page with. It's a shame we can't get any continuity here but the next GM has to like his coach or it's going to be the same old same old off the court nonsense that always goes on here.

nixluva wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:WHo can PG the great D'Antoni offense? Is there anyone on this earth besides Nash and Paul?(who knows he may prove unworthy as well) Or are you saying we will never be able to run the offense if we don't get Paul?

nixluva wrote:The one thing that we haven't seen is this coach running this team with a proper PG. THE MOST IMPORTANT position for what he wants to do. The closest we got was Felton and he had a ton of flaws but at least he was coming along. Felton IMO was a glimpse at what things could be like if you put a capable PG in this system. We need a QB and just think about how frustrating it was to watch TD come into games and basically run the offense into the ground! It was the best visual proof of how much of an impact it can have when you don't have a capable PG in there. Billups wasn't a great fit but when he was healthy you could see that it made an impact. Just think that was us going from an OK PG to a poor one. Imagine how good the team would look with a GOOD PG in there for 35 mins a game!!! We've got the weapons but no one at the trigger to make sure we fire straight and hit the target!!!

Then we also have the big hole at Center!!! If and when we actually fill those roster spots with capable players, I don't think there's any way this team isn't a big winner and going deep into the playoffs.

Now you're being unreasonable. I just said that Felton was a glimpse at what it could be like with a good PG. Felton isn't that great of a PG, but his numbers went higher than ever in this system. He wasn't known as a great pure PG, not known as a great shooter and he hadn't been in a running system in years. Despite all of that he worked fairly well under Mike. So what i'm saying isn't that we need CP3 or else no PG can run it. I'm merely saying we need a PG better than Duhon, TD or Felton. I think there is a lot of range between those players and CP3's level. So you can try to make what i'm saying sound unreasonable, but i'm being perfectly reasonable.

We need a better PG and hopefully we can get someone better than the guys we've had before. We haven't exactly had a high level of player at the PG spot. CB is old, but obviously he can play, just not exactly what we need to run this system. He should be better next year with more time to learn and adjust, but he's not optimal type of player we'd want at PG. We need a PG that has great court vision, can get into the lane and finish and hopefully can shoot the ball. If Donnie can find that player this team really jumps another level. Then get some big bodies in here and this team is ready to rock.